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Old December 31st 18, 03:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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The question of photo editors comes up often. I don't
remember whether this one ever got mentioned. I came
across the code awhile back. It's written in VB6. The
code is freely available. The program seems to work nicely
and does much of what a full editor can do, including
"effects" plugins. Yet it's only 52 MB installed.

Disadvantages:

* No help file.

* A curious oversight in terms of functionality. There's
no line or shape tool! (At least I can't find them.)

* A kiddie-style, Metro-esque UI that takes up too much
space.

But it has a full stock of filters, color adjustment, layer
functionality, etc. There's not much missing that you'd get
in Photoshop for a very steep price, in a spyware package,
with a rental model, and a wildly bloated installation.

The lack of line and shape tools is odd. I use those regularly
and in terms of code they're much easier than creating
effects like "oil painting" or "windblown". But for someone who
only wants to work on photos without doing graphics, Photo
Demon looks like a very good choice.

https://photodemon.org/


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  #2  
Old December 31st 18, 06:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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On 12/31/18 9:13 AM, Mayayana wrote:
The question of photo editors comes up often. I don't
remember whether this one ever got mentioned. I came
across the code awhile back. It's written in VB6. The
code is freely available. The program seems to work nicely
and does much of what a full editor can do, including
"effects" plugins. Yet it's only 52 MB installed.

Disadvantages:

* No help file.

* A curious oversight in terms of functionality. There's
no line or shape tool! (At least I can't find them.)

* A kiddie-style, Metro-esque UI that takes up too much
space.

But it has a full stock of filters, color adjustment, layer
functionality, etc. There's not much missing that you'd get
in Photoshop for a very steep price, in a spyware package,
with a rental model, and a wildly bloated installation.

The lack of line and shape tools is odd. I use those regularly
and in terms of code they're much easier than creating
effects like "oil painting" or "windblown". But for someone who
only wants to work on photos without doing graphics, Photo
Demon looks like a very good choice.

https://photodemon.org/


Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
as they seemed to have discarded it as too old to support. I use GIMP
as it's easier to flip from Windows to Linux and still have the same design.

  #3  
Old December 31st 18, 06:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Big Al
wrote:


Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,


cs2 is *not* free.

it's available for those with existing licenses.
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Old December 31st 18, 06:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 12:38 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Big Al
wrote:


Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,


cs2 is *not* free.

it's available for those with existing licenses.

So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.

But thanks for the correction for the OP.
  #5  
Old December 31st 18, 08:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Big Al" wrote

| Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
|
| cs2 is *not* free.
|
| it's available for those with existing licenses.
|
| So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
| the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.
|

That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their
v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them
was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check.

But apparently they didn't expect that a lot of people
would be content to use an old version rather than buy
new. (I'm guessing it was originally intended as a way to
dump support for their old customers while also releasing
a teaser demo to get new customers. It backfired.)

So later they posted a notice that the software and
keys were only for people with existing licenses and I think
they required personal info. Why would they offer a
download if the keys were only for people who already
had the software? Their patch-up on the situation made
no sense.

So... If you downloaded it from an unrestricted link
then it's perfectly legal. On the other hand, Adobe has
a lot more money and lawyers than you do... So your
legal rights don't mean much.

I was tempted to use Acrobat, but found PDF Xchange
Viewer free version, which does what I need in terms of PDFs.
I prefer not to have any involvement with anything from
Adobe. Much of it is bloated malware magnets, anyway.
(I've never installed Flash and haven't had the monstrously
bloated Adobe Reader since probably the 90s. Nor would
I ever touch AIR. That's 3 products they've tried to use
to take over the Web with proprietary software.)

And I never had much interest in Photoshop or their web
design stuff. Too bloated and with absurdly high prices.
(They bought out Dreamweaver at one point, but that's
just another overpriced, bloated mess for web designer
who don't know how to write HTML/CSS.)

I've tried GIMP over the years, but never been satisfied.
It's been over 20 years in production and they still can't
even create a proper MDI (multiple document interface)
window. Then they decided to call any file format but their
own an "export" rather than a save. With one version
the menus didn't even work. Like so many OSS projects,
they have lots of talent but not much in the way of adults
involved. No one seems to care about a usable end product.

Personally I use PSP, v. 5 and 16, and Aftershot Pro
for RAW. I don't need something else. But people periodically
ask for something fairly easy to use and free. I think
Photo Demon is a good contender. It's pretty much got
all the gimmick filters, undo, layers, and color adjustments,
presented in a small, free program with a clear GUI.

Often the answer people give is IrfanView, but while I
consider IV to be arguably the best-written program I've
ever seen, you just can't edit photos without a UI workspace,
layers, and multiple undo. IV just isn't designed for that use.
Though I use it for everything else. For basic image viewing
and resaving as a different format I use IV. But once
I need to crop, paste, or even just add a little text, IS
is too much trouble. Much of that is possible in IV. It's just
not convenient. So it's nice to have a real editor as well.


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Old December 31st 18, 08:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 2:00 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote

| Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
|
| cs2 is *not* free.
|
| it's available for those with existing licenses.
|
| So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
| the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.
|

That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their
v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them
was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check.

But apparently they didn't expect that a lot of people
would be content to use an old version rather than buy
new. (I'm guessing it was originally intended as a way to
dump support for their old customers while also releasing
a teaser demo to get new customers. It backfired.)

So later they posted a notice that the software and
keys were only for people with existing licenses and I think
they required personal info. Why would they offer a
download if the keys were only for people who already
had the software? Their patch-up on the situation made
no sense.

So... If you downloaded it from an unrestricted link
then it's perfectly legal. On the other hand, Adobe has
a lot more money and lawyers than you do... So your
legal rights don't mean much.

I was tempted to use Acrobat, but found PDF Xchange
Viewer free version, which does what I need in terms of PDFs.
I prefer not to have any involvement with anything from
Adobe. Much of it is bloated malware magnets, anyway.
(I've never installed Flash and haven't had the monstrously
bloated Adobe Reader since probably the 90s. Nor would
I ever touch AIR. That's 3 products they've tried to use
to take over the Web with proprietary software.)

And I never had much interest in Photoshop or their web
design stuff. Too bloated and with absurdly high prices.
(They bought out Dreamweaver at one point, but that's
just another overpriced, bloated mess for web designer
who don't know how to write HTML/CSS.)

I've tried GIMP over the years, but never been satisfied.
It's been over 20 years in production and they still can't
even create a proper MDI (multiple document interface)
window. Then they decided to call any file format but their
own an "export" rather than a save. With one version
the menus didn't even work. Like so many OSS projects,
they have lots of talent but not much in the way of adults
involved. No one seems to care about a usable end product.

Personally I use PSP, v. 5 and 16, and Aftershot Pro
for RAW. I don't need something else. But people periodically
ask for something fairly easy to use and free. I think
Photo Demon is a good contender. It's pretty much got
all the gimmick filters, undo, layers, and color adjustments,
presented in a small, free program with a clear GUI.

Often the answer people give is IrfanView, but while I
consider IV to be arguably the best-written program I've
ever seen, you just can't edit photos without a UI workspace,
layers, and multiple undo. IV just isn't designed for that use.
Though I use it for everything else. For basic image viewing
and resaving as a different format I use IV. But once
I need to crop, paste, or even just add a little text, IS
is too much trouble. Much of that is possible in IV. It's just
not convenient. So it's nice to have a real editor as well.


I agree with the bloated software comments. The full Photoshop CS# is
full of stuff that I've never thought of or knew of. My daughter works
as a graphics editor for an ad agency and they have the latest and
greatest of Adobe anything, and she uses probably every tool and app in
the complete line, knows more keyboard shortcuts, can fix an image in a
matter of a minute where it takes me over 1/2 an hour. I find myself
emailing her photos I just give up on.

I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
please.

Good to hear some of your thinking though.

Al

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Old December 31st 18, 08:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Big Al posted:

So much the better then since I've stopped using it.


The Adobe installer may still be located where it was in this old list below.

apowerrec https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen
artweaver https://www.artweaver.de/en/download/artweaverfree
audacity http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/
avicodec http://avicodec.free.fr/
avisynth http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page
avisynth2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
blender https://www.blender.org/
camstudio https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html
cartoonist http://www.vicman.net/cartoonist/ v1.3
codecinstaller http://www.jockersoft.com/downloads/...aller_full.exe
cole2kcodecs http://www.cole2k.net/
cs2 https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html
cutescreenrec http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
cutescreenrecorder http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
debutvideocapture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html
draftsight https://www.3ds.com/products-service...free-download/
dvdvideosoft https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/product...o-Recorder.htm
ezvid https://www.ezvid.com
faststone http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDownload.htm
ffmpeg/lame https://lame.buanzo.org/
fotor https://www.fotor.com/windows/index.html
fotosketcher http://fotosketcher.com/download-fotosketcher/
freecadweb https://www.freecadweb.org/
gfie http://www.greenfishsoftware.org/gfie.php
ghostscript https://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html
gimp https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.4/windows/
greenshot http://getgreenshot.org/downloads/
gspot http://gspot.headbands.com/
handbrake https://handbrake.fr/
iavidemux https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
icofx https://www.icofx.ro/downloads.html
id3tageditor http://id3tageditor.com/
inkscape https://inkscape.org/en/
irfanview https://www.fosshub.com/IrfanView.html
ispring https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam
jsprep http://www.jsware.net/jsware/pprep.php5
klitecodecs http://www.codecguide.com/download_k..._pack_full.htm
mediainfo https://sourceforge.net/projects/med...atest/download
mpc http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm
oxelon http://www.oxelon.com/media_converter.html
paintnet https://www.getpaint.net/download.html
paintstar https://sites.google.com/site/wangzhenzhou/
pdfcreator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
pdftk https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/
photodemon https://github.com/tannerhelland/PhotoDemon
photopad https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/
phototoolkit http://www.vicman.net/phototoolkit/index.htm
psp5 http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...-shop-pro-5-01
shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
sketchup https://www.sketchup.com/
sumatra https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/dow...df-viewer.html
super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER/old-versions
videoinspector https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe
virtualdub https://sourceforge.net/projects/vir...irtualdub-win/
vlc https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.php
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Old December 31st 18, 08:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Big Al
wrote:

I agree with the bloated software comments. The full Photoshop CS# is
full of stuff that I've never thought of or knew of. My daughter works
as a graphics editor for an ad agency and they have the latest and
greatest of Adobe anything, and she uses probably every tool and app in
the complete line, knows more keyboard shortcuts, can fix an image in a
matter of a minute where it takes me over 1/2 an hour. I find myself
emailing her photos I just give up on.


photoshop is professional software, for professional work. it's not for
consumers. pros *do* need what it can do and do not consider it
bloated.

photoshop elements is the consumer version, and priced accordingly, $99
msrp and usually about $50-60 street price, and even that does more
than most people need.
  #9  
Old December 31st 18, 08:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
|
| cs2 is *not* free.
|
| it's available for those with existing licenses.
|
| So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
| the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.

That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their
v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them
was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check.

But apparently they didn't expect that a lot of people
would be content to use an old version rather than buy
new. (I'm guessing it was originally intended as a way to
dump support for their old customers while also releasing
a teaser demo to get new customers. It backfired.)


as usual, you guess wrong.

at the time the cs2 activation servers were taken offline, cs2 was
roughly a decade old and didn't work on then current systems (even less
so now), so there was no point in keeping them online anymore. nobody
was buying new copies of cs2.

however, existing cs2 customers might need to reinstall on the hardware
they had, so adobe needed to provide a solution for that situation.

in other words, it's the exact *opposite* of dumping support for their
old customers. adobe went out of their way to continue supporting them.

So later they posted a notice that the software and
keys were only for people with existing licenses and I think
they required personal info. Why would they offer a
download if the keys were only for people who already
had the software? Their patch-up on the situation made
no sense.


it wasn't a patch-up, it makes perfect sense, and they don't require
personal info.

again, the cs2 keys were for *existing* cs2 users who needed to
reinstall on their existing hardware. extended support.

it was never intended as a freebie for everyone. people incorrectly
*assumed* that.

So... If you downloaded it from an unrestricted link
then it's perfectly legal. On the other hand, Adobe has
a lot more money and lawyers than you do... So your
legal rights don't mean much.


it's not legal to use unless someone previously purchased cs2. period.

however, the reality is that it's impossible to enforce and people will
pirate it anyway, which they were doing all along.
  #10  
Old December 31st 18, 08:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Big Al" wrote

| I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
| for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
| layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
| please.
|

That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
of anyone who actually prefers GIMP to any other free
option. (One can even get PSP5 free now. I paid $100
for it originally.) And you don't mind the floating toolbars?
Last I saw it was possible to sort of make them sit still,
but there still wasn't a parent window to contain it all.


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Old December 31st 18, 09:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 2:35 PM, Jean Fredette wrote:
Big Al posted:

So much the better then since I've stopped using it.


The Adobe installer may still be located where it was in this old list below.

apowerrec https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen
artweaver https://www.artweaver.de/en/download/artweaverfree
audacity http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/
avicodec http://avicodec.free.fr/
avisynth http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page
avisynth2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
blender https://www.blender.org/
camstudio https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html
cartoonist http://www.vicman.net/cartoonist/ v1.3
codecinstaller http://www.jockersoft.com/downloads/...aller_full.exe
cole2kcodecs http://www.cole2k.net/
cs2 https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html
cutescreenrec http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
cutescreenrecorder http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
debutvideocapture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html
draftsight https://www.3ds.com/products-service...free-download/
dvdvideosoft https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/product...o-Recorder.htm
ezvid https://www.ezvid.com
faststone http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDownload.htm
ffmpeg/lame https://lame.buanzo.org/
fotor https://www.fotor.com/windows/index.html
fotosketcher http://fotosketcher.com/download-fotosketcher/
freecadweb https://www.freecadweb.org/
gfie http://www.greenfishsoftware.org/gfie.php
ghostscript https://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html
gimp https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.4/windows/
greenshot http://getgreenshot.org/downloads/
gspot http://gspot.headbands.com/
handbrake https://handbrake.fr/
iavidemux https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
icofx https://www.icofx.ro/downloads.html
id3tageditor http://id3tageditor.com/
inkscape https://inkscape.org/en/
irfanview https://www.fosshub.com/IrfanView.html
ispring https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam
jsprep http://www.jsware.net/jsware/pprep.php5
klitecodecs http://www.codecguide.com/download_k..._pack_full.htm
mediainfo https://sourceforge.net/projects/med...atest/download
mpc http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm
oxelon http://www.oxelon.com/media_converter.html
paintnet https://www.getpaint.net/download.html
paintstar https://sites.google.com/site/wangzhenzhou/
pdfcreator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
pdftk https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/
photodemon https://github.com/tannerhelland/PhotoDemon
photopad https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/
phototoolkit http://www.vicman.net/phototoolkit/index.htm
psp5 http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...-shop-pro-5-01
shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
sketchup https://www.sketchup.com/
sumatra https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/dow...df-viewer.html
super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER/old-versions
videoinspector https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe
virtualdub https://sourceforge.net/projects/vir...irtualdub-win/
vlc https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.php

Faststone. Haven't heard that name in years. I paid for their
software back in what seems like Windows 1.0 but I know it was probably
w95 or XP days. I really liked it for some feature, I think making
photo montages.

PS your list has shotcut in there twice.
I've got a bookmarks folder like this that contains links to all the
software I've used, tried or might like to one day.

Al
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Old December 31st 18, 09:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 2:55 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote

| I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
| for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
| layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
| please.
|

That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
of anyone who actually prefers GIMP to any other free
option.


You have to note I'm running Linux so that has a lot to do with GIMP
decision. I am making notes however. I'm always interested in
alternatives, even if I do have to power up the ol' Windows. grin
  #13  
Old December 31st 18, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 14:00:22 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Big Al" wrote

| Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
|
| cs2 is *not* free.
|
| it's available for those with existing licenses.
|
| So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
| the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.
|

That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their
v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them
was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check.


Yes, I downloaded when I saw the offer, but never bothered to
install. I still have them backed up somewhere.
Can they revoke something they said was "free" ?
It's like delivering a "free" car and after you've kept it in
the garage for a while billing you for US$ 50.000 because they "have a
new policy".

[]'s
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  #14  
Old December 31st 18, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Big Al" wrote


| You have to note I'm running Linux so that has a lot to do with GIMP
| decision. I am making notes however. I'm always interested in
| alternatives, even if I do have to power up the ol' Windows. grin


I see. You might be able to run PSP5 or Photo Demon
under WINE. Last I saw WINE was spotty, but that was
some years ago.


  #15  
Old December 31st 18, 09:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Shadow
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 14:55:34 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Big Al" wrote

| I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
| for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
| layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
| please.
|

That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
of anyone who actually prefers GIMP to any other free
option. (One can even get PSP5 free now. I paid $100
for it originally.) And you don't mind the floating toolbars?
Last I saw it was possible to sort of make them sit still,
but there still wasn't a parent window to contain it all.


I saw this recently:
http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/detail...op_layout.html

Didn't try it.
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