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  #16  
Old December 31st 18, 09:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Big Al posted:

PS your list has shotcut in there twice.


Fixed shotcut thanks to you (it's the video editor par excellence.)
Found a slightly newer list (check it out below to find more errors.)

Always looking for more goodies (where I tested every one at one time.)
These are only the better ones (not all the best, but each a better one.)

apowerrec https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen
artweaver https://www.artweaver.de/en/download/artweaverfree
audacity http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/
avicodec http://avicodec.free.fr/
avisynth http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page
avisynth2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
blender https://www.blender.org/
camstudio https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html
cartoonist http://www.vicman.net/cartoonist/ v1.3
codecinstaller http://www.jockersoft.com/downloads/...aller_full.exe
cole2kcodecs http://www.cole2k.net/
cs2 https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html
cutescreenrec http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
cutescreenrecorder http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm
debutvideocapture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html
draftsight https://www.3ds.com/products-service...free-download/
dvdvideosoft https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/product...o-Recorder.htm
ezvid https://www.ezvid.com
faststone http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDownload.htm
ffmpeg/lame https://lame.buanzo.org/
fotor https://www.fotor.com/windows/index.html
fotosketcher http://fotosketcher.com/download-fotosketcher/
freecadweb https://www.freecadweb.org/
gfie http://www.greenfishsoftware.org/gfie.php
ghostscript https://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html
gimp https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.4/windows/
greenshot http://getgreenshot.org/downloads/
gspot http://gspot.headbands.com/
handbrake https://handbrake.fr/
iavidemux https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download
icofx https://www.icofx.ro/downloads.html
id3tageditor http://id3tageditor.com/
inkscape https://inkscape.org/en/
irfanview https://www.fosshub.com/IrfanView.html
ispring https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam
jsprep http://www.jsware.net/jsware/pprep.php5
klitecodecs http://www.codecguide.com/download_k..._pack_full.htm
mediainfo https://sourceforge.net/projects/med...atest/download
mpc http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm
mupdf https://www.ghostscript.com/download/mupdfdnld.html
oxelon http://www.oxelon.com/media_converter.html
paintnet https://www.getpaint.net/download.html
paintstar https://sites.google.com/site/wangzhenzhou/
pdfcreator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
pdfexchangeviewer https://www.neowin.net/news/pdf-xcha...-25-build-2142
pdfsam https://pdfsam.org
pdftk https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/
photodemon https://github.com/tannerhelland/PhotoDemon
photopad https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/
phototoolkit http://www.vicman.net/phototoolkit/index.htm
pinta https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/releases
posterazor https://sourceforge.net/projects/posterazor/
psp5 http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...-shop-pro-5-01
shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
sketchup https://www.sketchup.com/
sumatra https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/dow...df-viewer.html
super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER/old-versions
videoinspector https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe
virtualdub https://sourceforge.net/projects/vir...irtualdub-win/
vlc https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.php
xpdf http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/
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  #17  
Old December 31st 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 3:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 14:55:34 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Big Al" wrote

| I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
| for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
| layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
| please.
|

That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
of anyone who actually prefers GIMP to any other free
option. (One can even get PSP5 free now. I paid $100
for it originally.) And you don't mind the floating toolbars?
Last I saw it was possible to sort of make them sit still,
but there still wasn't a parent window to contain it all.


I saw this recently:
http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/detail...op_layout.html

Didn't try it.
[]'s

That's cute but after so much time in GIMP now, it would drive me batty.
Besides, I've still got enough faculties to keep the two UIs straight.

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Old December 31st 18, 10:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 4:11 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-12-31 15:29, Jean Fredette wrote:
Big * posted:

PS your list has shotcut in there twice.

Fixed shotcut thanks to you (it's the video editor par excellence.)
Found a slightly newer list (check it out below to find more errors.)

[...]

Thanks for sharing the list.

+1 Now I have some playing to do. I've got a trashable Windows 8.1
in a VM I can test some of these on.

Al
  #19  
Old January 1st 19, 12:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Big Al posted:

+1 Now I have some playing to do. I've got a trashable Windows 8.1
in a VM I can test some of these on.


Cutescreenrecorder/cutescreenrec was in there twice (damn lists of lists).
I've used all at some point in time, here or there, now and then.
Let me know if any links fail and I'll see what I can dig up for you all.
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Old January 1st 19, 02:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote

| I do say that the Photoshop CS2 I've used works better than GIMP, but
| for what I need, GIMP does my work for me, and in Linux. I need a few
| layers, some gradient effects, a few filters and I'm happy. I'm easy to
| please.
|

That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
of anyone who actually prefers GIMP to any other free
option. (One can even get PSP5 free now. I paid $100
for it originally.) And you don't mind the floating toolbars?
Last I saw it was possible to sort of make them sit still,
but there still wasn't a parent window to contain it all.



My solution for GIMP, was to use an older version.

GIMP 2.4.7 uses Save instead of Export, the way you
would expect.

With the fad of "containers" on the rise, GIMP is having
a hard time during installation or during the addition of plugins.
Apparently there are problems caused by the usage of
Flatpak. And Windows 10 will be getting containers in
the next release, so we can expect more of the same here
(side effects of containers, need for new manifests or
whatever).

Paul
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Old January 1st 19, 02:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote


| You have to note I'm running Linux so that has a lot to do with GIMP
| decision. I am making notes however. I'm always interested in
| alternatives, even if I do have to power up the ol' Windows. grin


I see. You might be able to run PSP5 or Photo Demon
under WINE. Last I saw WINE was spotty, but that was
some years ago.


It's improved.

Obviously, for commercial titles with "tricksy" methods
of recording valid product installation, it can't help
with those. Any program that "wants to write to a physical disk"
is going to have a problem, as WINE is designed to emulate
a C: drive only at the file system level. Just as the
Bash Shell in Windows 10 does (/mnt/c) - Win10 Bash programs
like say "dd" cannot write to "/dev/sda" as in Bash the
/dev layer doesn't exist.

And that program I tested, where the installer specifically
looks for WINE, WINE cannot be "improved" to avoid such
detection. The program I was testing could detect usage
in WINE and usage in a VM as well. It would only allow
installation on physical hardware and while under Windows.

But the WINE handling of Windows ecosystem calls is
much improved.

Paul
  #22  
Old January 1st 19, 04:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Paul" wrote

| My solution for GIMP, was to use an older version.
|
| GIMP 2.4.7 uses Save instead of Export, the way you
| would expect.
|

This discussion got me curious and I tried installing
2.8. It finally has a functional, single window. It seems
OK. But I don't think there's anything there I really need.
I don't really use plugins. And like Photo Demon, GIMP
doesn't have line or shape drawing tools. It can sort of be
done by jumping through hoops, but I find it odd that a
program can make your image look like it's cloth or
colored pencil, but considers a line tool to be "drawing"
and therefore not proper to a graphic editor.



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Old January 1st 19, 05:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| My solution for GIMP, was to use an older version.
|
| GIMP 2.4.7 uses Save instead of Export, the way you
| would expect.
|

This discussion got me curious and I tried installing
2.8. It finally has a functional, single window. It seems
OK. But I don't think there's anything there I really need.
I don't really use plugins. And like Photo Demon, GIMP
doesn't have line or shape drawing tools. It can sort of be
done by jumping through hoops, but I find it odd that a
program can make your image look like it's cloth or
colored pencil, but considers a line tool to be "drawing"
and therefore not proper to a graphic editor.


The 2.8 version likely has the "Save" versus "Export" thing.

"Save" only saves in native .xcf format.

If you want a real-world format, you have to "Export"
to get it. You can Export to gif, jpg, png and so on.

I used to keep selecting Save via muscle-memory
and it used to drive me nuts. So instead, I went
back to a previous GIMP version that only had Save, and all
the file formats were accessible from the Save dialog.
That way, I won't keep selecting the wrong option.

Paul
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Old January 1st 19, 12:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
The question of photo editors comes up often. I don't
remember whether this one ever got mentioned. I came
across the code awhile back. It's written in VB6. The
code is freely available. The program seems to work nicely
and does much of what a full editor can do, including
"effects" plugins. Yet it's only 52 MB installed.

Disadvantages:

* No help file.

* A curious oversight in terms of functionality. There's
no line or shape tool! (At least I can't find them.)

* A kiddie-style, Metro-esque UI that takes up too much
space.

But it has a full stock of filters, color adjustment, layer
functionality, etc. There's not much missing that you'd get
in Photoshop for a very steep price, in a spyware package,
with a rental model, and a wildly bloated installation.

The lack of line and shape tools is odd. I use those regularly
and in terms of code they're much easier than creating
effects like "oil painting" or "windblown". But for someone who
only wants to work on photos without doing graphics, Photo
Demon looks like a very good choice.

https://photodemon.org/


Not trying to be in competition with another poster in this thread .......

My freeware photo/image lists:

Photo/Image 2 Convert/Edit (approx 400)
Photo/Image 3 Resize, Thumbnails (approx 200)
Photo/Image 4 Viewer, Album, Manage (approx 200)
1 Various
5 Colour ;
6 Exif/Tag ;
7 File Specific
Photo Manipulation

Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish
- http://www.box.net/wasbitlists

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Old January 1st 19, 01:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 14:31:05 -0500, Big Al wrote:

I agree with the bloated software comments. The full Photoshop
CS# is full of stuff that I've never thought of or knew of. My
daughter works as a graphics editor for an ad agency and they
have the latest and greatest of Adobe anything, and she uses
probably every tool and app in the complete line, knows more
keyboard shortcuts, can fix an image in a matter of a minute
where it takes me over 1/2 an hour. I find myself emailing her
photos I just give up on.


Great! What's her email address?
  #26  
Old January 1st 19, 02:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| I used to keep selecting Save via muscle-memory
| and it used to drive me nuts.

Me too. I was appalled by the arrogance and
unprofessionalism of it. I see it as an example
of the problems with OSS. Libre Office does a
similar thing with PDF, as though they can't help
making a big deal about it. ("Hey, you're not just
saving that file, buddy. We're making a PDF out
of it. Darned clever, don't you think?")

On the other hand, it doesn't actually interfere
with the program.

But I think all of this is somewhat overrated,
anyway. There was a time when things like
Photoshop represented amazing new powers
available from computers. That time is long gone.
A decent editor is not hard to find.

Now the big
differences are in extreme functions that most
people don't need, like making fashion models look
more attractive or removing objects from photos
with a convincing fill pattern. That stuff is clever,
but not useful for most people who don't work in
print media.

I doubt there's much difference between GIMP
2.4 and 2.8 (as long as you don't mind the floating
toolbars).


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Old January 1st 19, 03:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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"wasbit" wrote

| Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish
| - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists
|

"JavaScript is currently disabled in your browser. You must have JavaScript
enabled to take full advantage of Box."

You might consider putting your downloads behind a real
download link rather than a scripted "document" service.
I get the same thing with Google docs. The URLs don't go
to webpages. They just go to script. And I'm expected to
let them basically run software on my computer, when all
I want to do is read some text.


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Old January 1st 19, 03:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/31/18 10:22 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| My solution for GIMP, was to use an older version.
|
| GIMP 2.4.7 uses Save instead of Export, the way you
| would expect.
|

This discussion got me curious and I tried installing
2.8. It finally has a functional, single window. It seems
OK. But I don't think there's anything there I really need.
I don't really use plugins. And like Photo Demon, GIMP
doesn't have line or shape drawing tools. It can sort of be
done by jumping through hoops, but I find it odd that a
program can make your image look like it's cloth or
colored pencil, but considers a line tool to be "drawing"
and therefore not proper to a graphic editor.



You can line draw in GIMP. Use the pencil, set the pencil point size,
left click to make the starting point and then hold the shift key and
move the pencil to the ending point. It draws a line between points.
If you leave the shift key down, I think it will draw from point 2 to
the next point you click and so on.

Not sure about shape tools. I can make shapes but yes, it's not the
straight forward (if you call it that) that line draw is. And there
may be some hidden trick I haven't found for shapes, but I don't do them.

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Old January 1st 19, 03:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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"Big Al" wrote

| You can line draw in GIMP. Use the pencil, set the pencil point size,
| left click to make the starting point and then hold the shift key and
| move the pencil to the ending point. It draws a line between points.
| If you leave the shift key down, I think it will draw from point 2 to
| the next point you click and so on.
|

Yes. That's why I said it can sort of be done by
jumping through hoops. Similarly, I can do shapes by
making a selection and then using the fill tool. But
that's not the same. I use lines and shapes a lot. I
don't want extra steps. That's like making a text editor
and telling me that vowels can be typed, too, if I only
hold down Ctrl+Tab+F4 while I press the vowel key.

The odd thing is that a line
is one of the easiest operations to program. The
GIMPers add lots of oddball things (flip, sheer, reverse,
etc) that I've never even figured out. But no line. They
seem to leave it out because they see graphic software
as being in 2 distinct categories of drawing and image
editing.

I'd never actually noticed that peculiar belief until
I tried Photo Demon and noticed the same problem:
It's got a remarkable number of functions, but no
line or shape. For me that makes it all but useless.
I often do hybrids of photos/graphics, or work on Web
images. For instance, the other day I was making an
image to show a comparison of two webpages. I used
gray rectangles to create a background, added text,
and used lines to create arrows from the text,
pointing to each page sample. Not a big deal. A 5
minute project. But I do that kind of thing often. Yet
I have no need of a fancy drawing program. Mostly
I just need lines and shapes.


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Old January 1st 19, 04:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
"Big Al" wrote

| Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now,
|
| cs2 is *not* free.
|
| it's available for those with existing licenses.
|
| So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much
| the better' meaning I'm not violating anything.
|

That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their
v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them
was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check.

But apparently they didn't expect that a lot of people
would be content to use an old version rather than buy
new. (I'm guessing it was originally intended as a way to
dump support for their old customers while also releasing
a teaser demo to get new customers. It backfired.)


I don't suppose we'll ever know if it backfired (or what their
intentions really were).

So later they posted a notice that the software and
keys were only for people with existing licenses and I think
they required personal info. Why would they offer a


When I heard about it - I think someone posted about it, probably in the
XP 'group - I went and got it (about three CD images, IIRR), though
never having bought the software, and I don't _think_ I remember being
asked for such info - certainly nothing I wasn't able to give at the
time, and I haven't been bombarded since. (I think there may have been
_one_ "would you like to update" email, but I'm not even sure of that.)
FWIW, I've never actually installed the SW. There _was_ at the time I
downloaded some statement that it _was_ only for people who'd bought it.

download if the keys were only for people who already
had the software? Their patch-up on the situation made
no sense.

So... If you downloaded it from an unrestricted link
then it's perfectly legal. On the other hand, Adobe has
a lot more money and lawyers than you do... So your
legal rights don't mean much.


Agreed.
[]
Often the answer people give is IrfanView, but while I
consider IV to be arguably the best-written program I've


Agreed - it continues to amaze and delight me.

ever seen, you just can't edit photos without a UI workspace,
layers, and multiple undo. IV just isn't designed for that use.


Agreed again, at least the multiple undo. And yes, it really is a pixel
editor - no layers or non-pixel features. (I've often wondered why he
doesn't add at least the multiple undo.)

Though I use it for everything else. For basic image viewing
and resaving as a different format I use IV. But once
I need to crop, paste, or even just add a little text, IS
is too much trouble. Much of that is possible in IV. It's just
not convenient. So it's nice to have a real editor as well.

Well, if all you have to start with is a JPEG image. the lossless crop
and rotate in IV are fairly easy to use, once you've developed a finger
memory for them. I agree for most of the other things it's not ideal.
(It also has two ways of adding text: the one in the F12 "Paint toolbox"
that someone contributed, and the one it had first. Both are pixel
though.)

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