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Old January 7th 19, 02:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?
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Old January 7th 19, 07:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , cameo
writes:
On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?

Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do
with
Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network
and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a
small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built-
in.

Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft
Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to
my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0.

When you "hunt" - or whatever the right word is for Bluetooth [by the
way, for some UK readers "BT" means British Telecom, who do make - or at
;east sell - hardware under their own name!] - with that laptop's
Bluetooth, (a) does it "see" the mouse at all, (b) if it does, what does
it see it _as_?

I have a stranger problem, with a bluetooth speaker: It worked fine with
my old XP machine, so it certainly isn't a "too new" version problem.
This W7-32 machine "sees" it no problem - but thinks it's a keyboard!
(Wants me to type numbers on it to complete the "pairing".) Hence my (b)
question.
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Old January 7th 19, 12:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?


Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version
the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine
says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.)

As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower
Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or
the manufacturers website.
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Old January 8th 19, 05:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Bluetooth standards compatibility

On 1/6/2019 10:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , cameo
writes:
On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says...

I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection
does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is
not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my
Win7 PC?
*Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do
with
Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network
and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a
small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built-
in.

Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft
Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to
my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0.

When you "hunt" - or whatever the right word is for Bluetooth [by the
way, for some UK readers "BT" means British Telecom, who do make - or at
;east sell - hardware under their own name!] - with that laptop's
Bluetooth, (a) does it "see" the mouse at all, (b) if it does, what does
it see it _as_?

I have a stranger problem, with a bluetooth speaker: It worked fine with
my old XP machine, so it certainly isn't a "too new" version problem.
This W7-32 machine "sees" it no problem - but thinks it's a keyboard!
(Wants me to type numbers on it to complete the "pairing".) Hence my (b)
question.


My Win7 laptop does not see the BlueTooth mouse at all, but sees it as a
USB optical mouse when I switch it to the 2.4G wireless mode.
BTW, the Device Manager shows the Bluetooth device, but I could not find
anywhere an indication of what version of BT it might use. Since the
date of drivers are all dated 2006, maybe it was the first standard and
they did not know that there would be newere standards later. Just like
the WWI contemporaries did not call that war WWI, but the Great War. ;-)

While at the BlueTooth standards, I wonder if the later versions alow
more than one BT connection simultaneously. That was one of the reasons
I wanted to have a mouse with dual connection capability.

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Old January 8th 19, 05:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 1/7/2019 8:01 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 22:49, cameo wrote:
On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote:

[...]
Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do with
Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network
and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a
small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built-
in.

Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft
Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to
my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0.



Like chocolate?* heh heh. :-)

I clean our mice regularly. They don't stick to anything....


I don't think my case had anything to do with it. It looked more like
the paint was degraded with longer exposure to air, or something in the
air. First time I noticed it after a long time going without it.
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Old January 8th 19, 05:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 1/7/2019 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?


Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version
the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine
says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.)

As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower
Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or
the manufacturers website.

I could not find any reference to downward compatibility either in this
Amazon description, or in its meager user manual.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Old January 8th 19, 05:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection
does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not
"understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT
4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT
standard used by my Win7 PC?


Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up
nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse.

There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking.

In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows
Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its
construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease.
It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model.

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Old January 8th 19, 04:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default Bluetooth standards compatibility

cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?


Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version
the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine
says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.)

As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower
Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or
the manufacturers website.

I could not find any reference to downward compatibility either in this
Amazon description, or in its meager user manual.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


The manual [1] says for the 'Bluetooth Basic' connection:

"Bluetooth: 4.0
...
System requirement:
Bluetooth receiving device
Windows 8, Windows 10 or later"

Because it says "Bluetooth: 4.0" and "Windows 8" - i.e. not Windows 7
- it's somewhat safe to assume it doesn't support/work_with earlier/
lower Bluetooth standards than 4.0.

Because your Device Manager does not mention 4.0, it's safe to assume
that your Bluetooth adapter is not 4.0-capable (i.e. probably only 3.0
or even lower (2.0/2.1 or 1.0/1.1/1.2)) [2].

[1] https://www.jellycomb.com/Manual-tp100.html - MS003

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth
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Old January 8th 19, 05:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection
does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not
"understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT
4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT
standard used by my Win7 PC?


Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up
nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse.

There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking.

In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows
Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its
construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease.
It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model.


The documentation for this laptop has been removed from the HP
website [1], so you can no longer see the specifications, download
manuals, etc., so we can not determine what Bluetooth version the BT
adapter is.

I've found some other webpages, but they just say 'Bluetooth'.

That brings me to my general advice, not only to you, but to everyone:

When you buy a product, download/save the specifications, manuals,
etc. while you can. You may know the specs *now*, but what in X years
time? What was the SD spec, the WiFi spec, the LAN spec, the Bluetooth
spec, the CPU spec, etc., etc., ad infinitum. And not just for
computers, but for any device.

[1] https://support.hp.com/us-en/retired-products
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Old January 8th 19, 10:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 1/8/2019 8:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection
does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not
"understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT
4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT
standard used by my Win7 PC?

Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up
nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse.

There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking.

In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows
Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its
construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease.
It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model.


The documentation for this laptop has been removed from the HP
website [1], so you can no longer see the specifications, download
manuals, etc., so we can not determine what Bluetooth version the BT
adapter is.

I've found some other webpages, but they just say 'Bluetooth'.

That brings me to my general advice, not only to you, but to everyone:

When you buy a product, download/save the specifications, manuals,
etc. while you can. You may know the specs *now*, but what in X years
time? What was the SD spec, the WiFi spec, the LAN spec, the Bluetooth
spec, the CPU spec, etc., etc., ad infinitum. And not just for
computers, but for any device.

[1] https://support.hp.com/us-en/retired-products


Good advise, Frank. Thanks.

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Old January 8th 19, 10:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 1/8/2019 7:11 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-07 23:11, cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 8:01 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 22:49, cameo wrote:

[...]
Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft
Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking
to my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0.



Like chocolate?* heh heh. :-)

I clean our mice regularly. They don't stick to anything....


I don't think my case had anything to do with it. It looked more like
the paint was degraded with longer exposure to air, or something in
the air. First time I noticed it after a long time going without it.


Very interesting. I tried cleaning a USB stick with isopropyl alcohol,
the coating on it disintegrated. Could be a clue.


Yes, that goes along with my thinking, but some chemicals deteriorate
with long expose just to oxigen (oxidising,) so who knows ...


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Old January 8th 19, 11:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 17:30:28 -0800, cameo wrote:

I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo
laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does
not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand"
the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not
downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC?


I supposed you've checked to make sure that your Windows 7 machine
actually has Bluetooth, and that it's enabled? Bluetooth was not
common in laptops of that era; mine lacks it.

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Old January 8th 19, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:07:36 -0800, cameo wrote:
My Win7 laptop does not see the BlueTooth mouse at all, but sees it as a


Please: Bluetooth. Interior capitals seem to intrude themselves in
more and more words these days, and needlessly.

Official site: https://www.bluetooth.com/

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