Cleaning up XP

i think the anxiety is
the result of thinking
that compressing old
files is similar to trash
compacting.

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"Daave" wrote in message ...
"Penang" wrote in message ...
On Dec 6, 6:27 am, "Don Phillipson" wrote:

3. The WinXP wizard designed to free wasted drive
space is Disk Cleanup, one of your /Accessories.
This totals the space it can clear and seeks your
OK before proceeding. See also its /Advanced facilities.

Oh no ! That "Disk Cleanup" thing is telling me that it's "compressing
old files" !

Why is it compressing old files when I didn't tell it too? OMG !
OMG !!!

Take a deep breath, Penang. It's merely calculating how much disk space you will save if you later decide to compress old files.
So, when it's time to check the boxes, make sure the one next to Compress Old Files remains unchecked (unless your hard drive is
tiny).

Even after all that verbiage, a Format and Clean Install is what the OP
needs to do.


Well who in the hell said that to begin with, hhhmmmmm, I wonder.

Having done a little of all, a clean install is the only option to get a
smooth system once it has been whacked.

Sorry Twayne

"Twayne" wrote in message
...
After 3 years of using, my XP is loaded with junks, and my PC is
running very slow.

Time for spring cleaning !

Checking through the XP directories, especially those under "Documents
and Settings" and "Windows" and "Program Files", there are indeed a
whole lot of STUFFS that I don't have any clue where they came from
and what's their use are.

So my questions to all the Gurus,

1. Can you tell me where I can safely clean out the junks?

2. Is there anywhere on the Net that tells me what is safe to delete,
what's not?

Please help. Thank you !!

The easeist and most efficient way to clean out that stuff is to start by
running disk cleanup:
Start; Programs; Accessories; System Tools; Disk Cleanup.

It sounds like it may take a bit of time to run from your discription, so
be patient; go have coffee or your fav beverage while it runs.

Then run the disk defragmenter:
Start; Programs; Accessories; System Tools; Defragment.

Next will be to run an antivirus scan and malware detectors; at least 3
spyware detectors as have been listed here many times.

At this point you should be pretty much back to speed, you'll know what to
try next time, and wont' have lost any data or anythign else.

What about all the Reg keys that are gunked up in it?

Orphans, invalid uninstallers, Nonexsistent file paths, to name a few.

Good luck "cleaning" up that system to a noticeable adjusted speed.

Takes about one day to reinstall and get a system smokin' along.

"relic" wrote in message
...
Penang wrote:
After 3 years of using, my XP is loaded with junks,

Do you live in Hong Kong? They have that same problem there.



Yea, did you get all that info?

Now, it seem as though a reinstall is the best bet after all??

ROFL

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:52:17 -0800, "W****n S***********g"
wrote:

Takes about one day to reinstall and get a system smokin' along.

If one has imaging software like Acronis True Image, and has kept an
image of a good, clean working system it takes only about an hour.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:55:53 -0800, "W****n S***********g"
wrote:


"relic" wrote in message
...
Penang wrote:
After 3 years of using, my XP is loaded with junks,

Do you live in Hong Kong? They have that same problem there.



Yea, did you get all that info?

Now, it seem as though a reinstall is the best bet after all??

ROFL

It was a play on the use of the word "junks".

Penang wrote:
On Dec 6, 6:27 am, "Don Phillipson" wrote:

3. The WinXP wizard designed to free wasted drive
space is Disk Cleanup, one of your /Accessories.
This totals the space it can clear and seeks your
OK before proceeding. See also its /Advanced facilities.


Oh no ! That "Disk Cleanup" thing is telling me that it's "compressing
old files" !

Why is it compressing old files when I didn't tell it too? OMG !
OMG !!!


ummm.....think of it as 'shrink-wrap', in that it is shrinking the
physical space on the hard drive that the files are taking, in order to
free up additional space and allow for faster seek times for files used
more often.

Okay, I can help you but this is going to be a long post, so be patient with
me I am now going for free to teach you how to maintain Windows XP and speed
up your systems. There are many programs that claim to do this by fixing the
registry too many to name. Do not buy any of them. Windows has built in
maintenance tools.
Open up Internet Explorer 7 and go to tools, delete browsing history, delete
all, check the box that comes up and delete those. Close IE. Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning program. b
Download and install CC Cleaner. you will see two tabs "Windows aand
Applications" You should be on the Windows tab and click analyze. This will
show you how much junk it is going to clean off your computer. It should be
a lot. Do this once a weekThen hit run cleaner. Next go to start, all
programs, accessories, system tools, disc cleanup and click on that. Select
your C drive to clean up and hit OK. It will take a few minutes and then a
box will pop up. In the box put a check next to everything that has a number
with it and hit ok to clean. Do this once a week. Now go to start, all
programs, accessories, system tools, disk defragmenter and hit analyze. The
disk defragmenter will analyze and tell you if it needs defraging or not. If
it does defrag it. It will probaly take 2 hours but it's worth it. Check
this once a month. Next go to start run and type "prefetch" and press enter.
You will see a folder po open in the top select edit, select all, and then
hit delete, Confirm delete to recycle bin and then empty the recycle bin.
Next go to start, control panel, add/remove programs and on the list unistall
any programs you do not use or no longer need.
Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel where it
says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues. and click no to not
back up. This a safe way to fix the registry unlike programs you buy.
Anyway then hit fix all selected issues and close.

Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast anti
Virus free edition. They are the best. Do not use Norton or MCaffee they
are worthless. Also scan for mallware/spyware as well as they can
considerably slow computer performance down. A good anti spyware program is
spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com

I am confident this process of maintaince will help you. Please give me
your feedback so I can improve my services.
Kaja Technical Support

"Penang" wrote:

After 3 years of using, my XP is loaded with junks, and my PC is
running very slow.

Time for spring cleaning !

Checking through the XP directories, especially those under "Documents
and Settings" and "Windows" and "Program Files", there are indeed a
whole lot of STUFFS that I don't have any clue where they came from
and what's their use are.

So my questions to all the Gurus,

1. Can you tell me where I can safely clean out the junks?

2. Is there anywhere on the Net that tells me what is safe to delete,
what's not?

Please help. Thank you !!

NOt that long a post, but rather paragraphless and a little too
judgemental.

Okay, I can help you but this is going to be a long post, so be
patient with me I am now going for free to teach you how to maintain
Windows XP and speed up your systems. There are many programs that
claim to do this by fixing the registry too many to name. Do not buy
any of them.

The proper context here would be that the registry is very likely not
the main culprit and purchasing same at this time may not be productive.
Mostof these problems are not related to the registry and won't help
much, if at all.
Unlike some of the closed minded idiot MVPs here, registry cleaners
can be valuable tools to have around. I use mine every two weeks at the
moment; doing lots of installs/uninstalls evaluating things for a
client.


... Windows has built in maintenance tools.

But nothing to cleam up a bloated, ultra-huge registry if in the end
that might be needed. If so, I hope you're perpared to stick around and
assist with each and every registry change that needs to be sought
out/hacked.

Open up Internet Explorer 7 and go to tools, delete browsing history,
delete all, check the box that comes up and delete those. Close IE.
Now go to this website www.cccleaner.com.

Ccleaner (formerly Crap Cleaner) is a decent program. It not only
cleans up the registry but also takes care of many of the things you
tell him to run manually.

This is a fantastic safe
cleaning program. b Download and install CC Cleaner. you will see
two tabs "Windows aand Applications" You should be on the Windows
tab and click analyze. This will show you how much junk it is going
to clean off your computer. It should be a lot. Do this once a
weekThen hit run cleaner. Next go to start, all programs,
accessories, system tools, disc cleanup and click on that. Select
your C drive to clean up and hit OK. It will take a few minutes and
then a box will pop up. In the box put a check next to everything
that has a number with it and hit ok to clean.

What about compressing old files? There's a long waste of time for
trying to fix slowdowns. It's only useful when you're running low on
space, really.
You do realize too, that you're asking him to repeat several things
that ccleaner has already done, right?

Do this once a week.

You don't have to bother with that if you're running ccleaner. It's
really an OR situation.

Now go to start, all programs, accessories, system tools, disk
defragmenter and hit analyze. The disk defragmenter will analyze and
tell you if it needs defraging or not. If it does defrag it. It
will probaly take 2 hours but it's worth it. Check this once a
month. Next go to start run and type "prefetch" and press enter. You
will see a folder po open in the top select edit, select all, and
then hit delete,

The prefetch folder is periodically purged of some files and replaces
them with others. Deleting all those files only results in a slower
acquisition time for most programs until the prefecth folder can be
rebuilt again. This is a waste of time and actually adds to system
slowdowns when the folder it empty. Please do some further research on
this subject before recommending it to newbies/those needing assistance.

Confirm delete to recycle bin and then empty the
recycle bin.

The Recycle Bin, for safety sake, shouldn't be emptied for a few days,
just to be certain that something wasn't deleted that shouldn't have
been. Then later after everything has been exercised and known to
function fine, empty it.

Next go to start, control panel, add/remove programs and
on the list unistall any programs you do not use or no longer need.
Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel
where it says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues.
and click no to not back up. This a safe way to fix the registry
unlike programs you buy. Anyway then hit fix all selected issues and
close.

Do NOT back up the changes? That is a terrible piece of advice! There
ARE programs whose signatures can fool analyzers becuse some files, etc.
are built "on the fly", and even ccleaner is apt to remove them, finding
no use for them in the registry! ALWAYS ALLOW ANY PROGRAM THAT WORKS ON
THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYTEM TO BACK UP IT WORK, just in case. In fact,
this whole thing should have started with a recommendation to create a
Restore Point, back up the System State, and then back up all his DATA
before getting started. If anything goes wrong, and it will on you
eventually, you left yourself wide open to not having provided that
necessary caveats. Always do backups whenever you mess with antyhing to
do with the operating system.


Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast
anti Virus free edition. They are the best. Do not use Norton or
MCaffee they are worthless.

Norton and McAfee are far from worthless, are leading-edge on the
detection fronts, proactively search out problems, and run perfectly
well on machines they are intended for and which are not already messed
up with malware, corruption and improper setups. While they are too
expensive and even I have switched from them, your comment is not
correct, nor it is factual.

Also scan for mallware/spyware as well
as they can considerably slow computer performance down. A good anti
spyware program is spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com

AT least 3 spyware detectors should be thrown at a machine with
problems. No single one is turnkey and catches everything. Some of the
old standbys are Adaware, Spybot S&D, SpywareGuard, Windows Malicious
Malware Removal Tool (specialized), Windows defender (not so great
though) and a host of other ones that are equally as good and all as
free as the AV programs from their several sources too.

I am confident this process of maintaince will help you. Please give
me your feedback so I can improve my services.
Kaja Technical Support

There is an important question to ask with machines like that. How long
will it take to fix, and how long is the user willing to put in on the
problems? 2 days? 4 days? A week? A computer can be easily backed up
on 1 day wihtout forgetting even a single e-mail address or web site. A
day to do a clean reinstall of the OS. Another 2 days to reinstall all
the applications and programs, and then restoring all the user-created
data. That's 4 weekdays. Or 2 days or less if done on a weekend when
not working. 8 Hours for some people is plenty for many first-timers to
a rebuild. Or will you be sending him off to spend money if it comes to
a rebuild?

So, which way does the user wish to go? I have a feeling you're
going to at least end up going for a repair install, if not soon after a
clean install, from the quality of your advice.

Please, get more experience under your belt before you go out on
missions like this. You can easily end up over your head and may learn
that shortly.

Twayne


"Penang" wrote:

After 3 years of using, my XP is loaded with junks, and my PC is
running very slow.

Time for spring cleaning !

Checking through the XP directories, especially those under
"Documents and Settings" and "Windows" and "Program Files", there
are indeed a whole lot of STUFFS that I don't have any clue where
they came from and what's their use are.

So my questions to all the Gurus,

1. Can you tell me where I can safely clean out the junks?

First, you need to back up your data; files you have created that you
want to keep. Photos, emails, favorites, etc.. NTBackup, which comes
with XP will work well for that if you don't have anything else. Also
be sure you have your CDs and key codes in case you have to use them for
XP or Office or whatever other programs you may have that need them.

Basically, you could run ccleaner as mentioned above to start with.
Then be sure to use updated antivirus software and say 3 different
spyware programs to look for malware.
Then defrag the disk.
Report back whether those made any differences and if not, someone will
help you go further with the problem.

If you're in a hurry and want a few-day solution that's more certain to
work than anythign else, ask back about doing a repair install or a
clean install.

But most importantly, get your data backed up to CD, DVD or whatever it
takes so it will be safe from harm. Then dig into the problems.

Lots of people here would be happy to assist you if you ask the specific
questions you need.

HTH

Twayne



2. Is there anywhere on the Net that tells me what is safe to delete,
what's not?

Please help. Thank you !!

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:08:08 -0500, Twayne wrote:

Unlike some of the closed minded idiot MVPs here, registry cleaners
can be valuable tools to have around.

Maybe; but I've never been able to solve a problem by using one, nor have I
ever sped up any computer. I stopped trying to use registry cleaners with
Windows Me, which is, arguably, more amenable to fixing by using them. I
found myself spending more time cleaning the Windows Me registry than I
gained after the cleaning.

Keeping that computer's HDD defragged was a more profitable use of my time.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:52:00 -0800, Kaja
wrote:

Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning program. b
Download and install CC Cleaner.


CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.


Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel where it
says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues. and click no to not
back up. This a safe way to fix the registry unlike programs you buy.



And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html



Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast anti
Virus free edition. They are the best.


Avast is a good program--one of the best free ones, and I too
recommend it to those who don't want to spend money on an anti-virus
program. But calling it "the best" is an overstatement. Good as it is,
the commercial program NOD32 is even better.


Do not use Norton or MCaffee they
are worthless.


Again, an overstatement. In my view Norton is the worst anti-virus
program on the market and McAfee is second worst, but neither is
worthless. It would be much better to use either one than no
anti-virus program.



Also scan for mallware/spyware as well as they can
considerably slow computer performance down.



"The term "malware" (note the correct spelling) is short for
"malicious software." It's not synonymous with spyware, but includes
all kinds of software that do bad things. Since a virus does bad
things, it's a form of malware, so contrasting viruses and malware
doesn't make any sense.

Spyware can certainly slow a system down, but that's only one of the
bad things it can do. The dangers of having it are much worse than
that.


A good anti spyware program is
spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com


I have no experience with spyware terminator, so I won't comment on
it, other than to say it's not generally recognized to one of the
best. The best such program these days is MalwareBytes.

Moreover, no anti-spyware program is perfect and therefore is not good
enough by itself. Good protection requires that you run at least two.
I recommend running two or more (but not at the same time) from the
following list:

MalwareBytes
SuperAntiSpyware
Spybot Search & Destroy
Spyware Blaster
Adaware
Windows Defender.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:08:08 -0500, Twayne wrote:

Unlike some of the closed minded idiot MVPs here, registry
cleaners can be valuable tools to have around.

Maybe; but I've never been able to solve a problem by using one, nor
have I ever sped up any computer. I stopped trying to use registry
cleaners with Windows Me, which is, arguably, more amenable to fixing
by using them. I found myself spending more time cleaning the Windows
Me registry than I gained after the cleaning.

Keeping that computer's HDD defragged was a more profitable use of my
time.

No arguement there; speeding up anything is usually a by product, not a
goal of registry work 99.9% of the time. Same goes for defragging the
registry; normally if there are any changes they are in the order of
single-digit seconds anyway unless you come up against one or more of
the 20 Second timeouts, which isn't very often.

Twayne

Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:


On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:52:00 -0800, Kaja
wrote:

Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning
program. b Download and install CC Cleaner.


CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.

Its value is that it brings together in one place a set of tasks that
are normally separate and more trouble to execute. "Easy" is irrelevant
to this context.



Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel
where it says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues.
and click no to not back up. This a safe way to fix the registry
unlike programs you buy.



And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous.

And there's that ignorant, closed mind again. Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need for
it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there are
several. That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.


The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind. If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn against..
Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is? Even if it were to
happen, which it will not, it would still far outweigh the many past
benefits of using such applications.
Also, again, you have boilerplated only one of a set (removing an
entry you might need) and called it catastrophic when any decent
registry cleaner has, and they all seem to, a Restore feature so if that
does happen, it can be put back. You look more like a weasel every time
you open your mouth here lately.


Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html



Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast
anti Virus free edition. They are the best.


Avast is a good program--one of the best free ones, and I too
recommend it to those who don't want to spend money on an anti-virus
program. But calling it "the best" is an overstatement. Good as it is,
the commercial program NOD32 is even better.

lol, you too recommend it, eh? Your credibility is so shot no one
really cares other than a couple of your like-minded cohorts, none of
whom can give any verifiable evidence of the silly claims you all make.
You all talk in vagueries, pick up one of a set of parts, and try to
make that the entire point of everything. It's obvious and has been
since day one that not a one of you has anything to back up your
outlandish claims or you would have posted it here or on some other
group and would have referenced to it by now. But no one has; because
you can not do so.



Do not use Norton or MCaffee they
are worthless.


Again, an overstatement. In my view Norton is the worst anti-virus
program on the market and McAfee is second worst, but neither is
worthless. It would be much better to use either one than no
anti-virus program.

Wrong again but in view of your opinions on cleaners, I can understand
why. You make it up as you go and want to follow the leader.




Also scan for mallware/spyware as well as they can
considerably slow computer performance down.



"The term "malware" (note the correct spelling) is short for
"malicious software." It's not synonymous with spyware, but includes
all kinds of software that do bad things. Since a virus does bad
things, it's a form of malware, so contrasting viruses and malware
doesn't make any sense.

And that is uncalled for. Being a semantic idiot though seems to be one
of your fortes, doesn't it? From this point on, don't make any spelling
mistakes.


Spyware can certainly slow a system down, but that's only one of the
bad things it can do. The dangers of having it are much worse than
that.

So? Who said otherwise?


A good anti spyware program is
spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com


I have no experience with spyware terminator, so I won't comment on
it, other than to say it's not generally recognized to one of the
best. The best such program these days is MalwareBytes.

Right; MalwareBytes: The one that can falsely identify rogue programs
such as setup.exe when in reality they are prefectly (and were proven to
be) legitimate? The one that doesn't look into a file but judges it to
be a rogue depending on the directory it resides in? That one?
Try it; put a legit, previously passed setup.exe somewhere it isn't
usually located: almost every time it'll be reported as rogue.
MalwareBytes, well, bites.


Moreover, no anti-spyware program is perfect and therefore is not good
enough by itself. Good protection requires that you run at least two.

The general concensus in most places of knowledgeable people is that
three or more are recommended. They each have their own strengths, check
for different things in different ways and there seems to as yet be no
turnkey app.

I recommend running two or more (but not at the same time) from the
following list: It's pretty much moot what YOU would recommend. Your
list is rather those of MOST who recommend apps, recommend these.
Quit taking credit for things that aren't your own decisions. All you
did was add MalwareBytes to a typical list found all over the 'net.

MalwareBytes ----------------- is suspect in design
SuperAntiSpyware ------------ seems decent
Spybot Search & Destroy ------- seems to work well
Spyware Blaster ------------- sort of OK
Adaware --------------------- seems to work well
Windows Defender. --------- typical MS BS that never finds anything,
but ... I'll still say it's sort of OK. Never found anything with it,
though. At least each of the others have found things at one time or
another, even if it was just a false rogue find.

Twayne

Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly) do.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:52:00 -0800, Kaja
wrote:

Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning
program. b Download and install CC Cleaner.

CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.

Its value is that it brings together in one place a set of tasks that
are normally separate and more trouble to execute. "Easy" is irrelevant
to this context.

Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel
where it says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues.
and click no to not back up. This a safe way to fix the registry
unlike programs you buy.

And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous.

And there's that ignorant, closed mind again.

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need for
it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there are
several.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called on it).
Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete, and documented
evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these registry cleaners, you
have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder why?). The difference between
us (and several others in here, I'm sure) is that I *have* used them in the
past over all the years, and with various operating systems, and I'm sure I
have a lot more experience in doing so, than you have, based on your inane
comments on this issue. I do *know* firsthand its potential for creating
problems, some of which often only show up later. You obviously don't know,
due to some lack of experience in this arena. Even Microsoft's supposedly
innoculous, Regclean program (which they removed a long time ago) created a
few problems on my system some time back. But you wouldn't know that.

That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of your
own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from one's own
eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn against..
Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Are you kidding? Twayne doesn't have the common sense to be an MVP.
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly) do.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:52:00 -0800, Kaja
wrote:

Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning
program. b Download and install CC Cleaner.

CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.

Its value is that it brings together in one place a set of tasks that
are normally separate and more trouble to execute. "Easy" is irrelevant
to this context.

Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel
where it says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues.
and click no to not back up. This a safe way to fix the registry
unlike programs you buy.

And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous.

And there's that ignorant, closed mind again.

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need for
it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there are
several.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called on
it).
Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete, and documented
evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these registry cleaners,
you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder why?). The difference
between us (and several others in here, I'm sure) is that I *have* used
them in the past over all the years, and with various operating systems,
and I'm sure I have a lot more experience in doing so, than you have,
based on your inane comments on this issue. I do *know* firsthand its
potential for creating problems, some of which often only show up later.
You obviously don't know, due to some lack of experience in this arena.
Even Microsoft's supposedly innoculous, Regclean program (which they
removed a long time ago) created a few problems on my system some time
back. But you wouldn't know that.

That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of your
own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from one's own
eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn against..
Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.