can't create system image to second HD

Hello group,

I just put together a new win7/64 system. Runs fine. I made a system
repair disk on a CD, then I tried to create a system image to my
second hard drive (totally separate drive, not RAID). But,when I go
to the system image backup program through control panel, Windows
won't let me choose the "on a hard disk" selection, and keeps
switching back to the "on one or more DVDs" selection.

I tick the "on a hard disk" selection, then on the drop down menu, all
that shows is "refresh", which I hit. But then it again switches to
the DVD backup screen.

Windows apparently doesn't recognize my second hard drive ( at least
not for the create system image function), although the second drive
(E:\) shows up in Windows explorer and I am able to manually copy
files to it.

I'm new to Windows 7.

Any suggestions or links greatly appreciated. I haven't had any luck
with web searches for a solution.

Jack

JClark wrote:
Hello group,

I just put together a new win7/64 system. Runs fine. I made a system
repair disk on a CD, then I tried to create a system image to my
second hard drive (totally separate drive, not RAID). But,when I go
to the system image backup program through control panel, Windows
won't let me choose the "on a hard disk" selection, and keeps
switching back to the "on one or more DVDs" selection.

I tick the "on a hard disk" selection, then on the drop down menu,
all that shows is "refresh", which I hit. But then it again switches
to the DVD backup screen.

Windows apparently doesn't recognize my second hard drive ( at least
not for the create system image function), although the second drive
(E:\) shows up in Windows explorer and I am able to manually copy
files to it.

I'm new to Windows 7.

Any suggestions or links greatly appreciated. I haven't had any luck
with web searches for a solution.

How is your second HD connected? I am able to keep backup images on my
USB external hard drive, as well as secondary partitions on my primary
HD, USB flash drives and DVD disks.
--
Crash

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
~ Samuel Johnson ~

On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\
When I go load compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows
up just fine as a "healthy" primary partition.
Apparently Windows 7 doesn't want me to create a system image on an
internal hard drive, only on a DVD or DVDs or to a network location.
In all the flavors of windows, I've never seen this before. Perhaps
I'll have to use a different program. Macrium works fine on my other
systems, but I thought the Win 7 would have that capability.
I appreciate your reply, Dave.

Jack

JClark wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\ When I go load
compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows up just fine as
a "healthy" primary partition. Apparently Windows 7 doesn't want me
to create a system image on an internal hard drive, only on a DVD or
DVDs or to a network location. In all the flavors of windows, I've
never seen this before. Perhaps I'll have to use a different program.
Macrium works fine on my other systems, but I thought the Win 7
would have that capability. I appreciate your reply, Dave.

I only have one internal drive, also SATA. It has than one partition.
Windows 7 is installed in the active primary partition (c: drive), and I
can use the MS backup program to make a backup image
to any other partition (d: or e, if I so desire. I don't think your
problem has anything to do with the drive being SATA or internal.

The only thing I can think of is that there is not enough space on the
target drive. The MS backup will not work if the image takes more than a
small fraction of the disk space. I forget the exact numbers, but if the
available space is only slightly larger than the image size, it won't work.
--
Crash

Money may not buy happiness, but it can sure defray a lot of unhappiness.

On 28/11/2010 01:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
JClark wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\ When I go load
compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows up just fine as
a "healthy" primary partition. Apparently Windows 7 doesn't want me to
create a system image on an internal hard drive, only on a DVD or DVDs
or to a network location. In all the flavors of windows, I've never
seen this before. Perhaps I'll have to use a different program.
Macrium works fine on my other systems, but I thought the Win 7 would
have that capability. I appreciate your reply, Dave.

I only have one internal drive, also SATA. It has than one partition.
Windows 7 is installed in the active primary partition (c: drive), and I
can use the MS backup program to make a backup image
to any other partition (d: or e, if I so desire. I don't think your
problem has anything to do with the drive being SATA or internal.

The only thing I can think of is that there is not enough space on the
target drive. The MS backup will not work if the image takes more than a
small fraction of the disk space. I forget the exact numbers, but if the
available space is only slightly larger than the image size, it won't work.

"By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it has
space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the backup
disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows deletes older
system images. You can set Windows to retain as many system images as it
has space for on the backup disk or to only keep the most recent system
image."

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 28/11/2010 01:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
JClark wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\ When I go load
compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows up just
fine as a "healthy" primary partition. Apparently Windows 7
doesn't want me to create a system image on an internal hard
drive, only on a DVD or DVDs or to a network location. In all the
flavors of windows, I've never seen this before. Perhaps I'll
have to use a different program. Macrium works fine on my other
systems, but I thought the Win 7 would have that capability. I
appreciate your reply, Dave.

I only have one internal drive, also SATA. It has than one
partition. Windows 7 is installed in the active primary partition
(c: drive), and I can use the MS backup program to make a backup
image to any other partition (d: or e, if I so desire. I don't
think your problem has anything to do with the drive being SATA or
internal.

The only thing I can think of is that there is not enough space on
the target drive. The MS backup will not work if the image takes
more than a small fraction of the disk space. I forget the exact
numbers, but if the available space is only slightly larger than
the image size, it won't work.

"By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it
has space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the
backup disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows
deletes older system images. You can set Windows to retain as many
system images as it has space for on the backup disk or to only keep
the most recent system image."

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

--
Crash

"The future ain't what it used to be."
~ Yogi Berra ~

On 29/11/2010 17:17, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 28/11/2010 01:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
JClark wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\ When I go load
compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows up just
fine as a "healthy" primary partition. Apparently Windows 7
doesn't want me to create a system image on an internal hard
drive, only on a DVD or DVDs or to a network location. In all the
flavors of windows, I've never seen this before. Perhaps I'll
have to use a different program. Macrium works fine on my other
systems, but I thought the Win 7 would have that capability. I
appreciate your reply, Dave.

I only have one internal drive, also SATA. It has than one
partition. Windows 7 is installed in the active primary partition
(c: drive), and I can use the MS backup program to make a backup
image to any other partition (d: or e, if I so desire. I don't
think your problem has anything to do with the drive being SATA or
internal.

The only thing I can think of is that there is not enough space on
the target drive. The MS backup will not work if the image takes
more than a small fraction of the disk space. I forget the exact
numbers, but if the available space is only slightly larger than
the image size, it won't work.

"By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it
has space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the
backup disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows
deletes older system images. You can set Windows to retain as many
system images as it has space for on the backup disk or to only keep
the most recent system image."

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A search on
"Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings should I use to
maximize my disk space? The second bullet point in that is the info I
quoted.

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 29/11/2010 17:17, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 28/11/2010 01:52, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
JClark wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:44:42 -0500, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

How is your second HD connected?
It's a SATA connection, given drive letter E:\ When I go load
compmgmt.msc\storage\disk management, the drive shows up
just fine as a "healthy" primary partition. Apparently
Windows 7 doesn't want me to create a system image on an
internal hard drive, only on a DVD or DVDs or to a network
location. In all the flavors of windows, I've never seen this
before. Perhaps I'll have to use a different program.
Macrium works fine on my other systems, but I thought the Win
7 would have that capability. I appreciate your reply, Dave.

I only have one internal drive, also SATA. It has than one
partition. Windows 7 is installed in the active primary
partition (c: drive), and I can use the MS backup program to
make a backup image to any other partition (d: or e, if I so
desire. I don't think your problem has anything to do with the
drive being SATA or internal.

The only thing I can think of is that there is not enough space
on the target drive. The MS backup will not work if the image
takes more than a small fraction of the disk space. I forget
the exact numbers, but if the available space is only slightly
larger than the image size, it won't work.

"By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as
it has space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space
on the backup disk. Once the disk starts running out of room,
Windows deletes older system images. You can set Windows to
retain as many system images as it has space for on the backup
disk or to only keep the most recent system image."

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A search
on "Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings should I
use to maximize my disk space? The second bullet point in that is
the info I quoted.

Help and Support?? REAL geeks don't use Help and Support!

Thanks. I should have looked myself, but I was too lazy. The Windows 7
Help and Support is more useful than past versions were.
--
Crash

What happens online, stays online.

On 29/11/2010 23:37, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
(snip)

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A search on
"Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings should I use to
maximize my disk space? The second bullet point in that is the info I
quoted.

Help and Support?? REAL geeks don't use Help and Support!

LoL!!

Thanks. I should have looked myself, but I was too lazy. The Windows 7
Help and Support is more useful than past versions were.

I must say that I was surprised to find something useful there, too. And
that after a fair bit of Goggling. But it's only 5/10 for Microsoft, as
they should have put that disk size limitation up front in the Control
Panel Backup/Restore info.

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 29/11/2010 23:37, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: (snip)

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A
search on "Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings
should I use to maximize my disk space? The second bullet point
in that is the info I quoted.

Help and Support?? REAL geeks don't use Help and Support!

LoL!!

Thanks. I should have looked myself, but I was too lazy. The
Windows 7 Help and Support is more useful than past versions were.

I must say that I was surprised to find something useful there, too.
And that after a fair bit of Goggling. But it's only 5/10 for
Microsoft, as they should have put that disk size limitation up front
in the Control Panel Backup/Restore info.

Agreed. It's a dumb limitation, anyway. A lot of users (like me) are
going to have a drive or partition dedicated to backups. Being limited
to 30% of the space really discourages that.
--
Crash

What happens online, stays online.

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:12:47 -0500, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 29/11/2010 23:37, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: (snip)

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A
search on "Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings
should I use to maximize my disk space? The second bullet point
in that is the info I quoted.

Help and Support?? REAL geeks don't use Help and Support!

LoL!!

Thanks. I should have looked myself, but I was too lazy. The
Windows 7 Help and Support is more useful than past versions were.

I must say that I was surprised to find something useful there, too.
And that after a fair bit of Goggling. But it's only 5/10 for
Microsoft, as they should have put that disk size limitation up front
in the Control Panel Backup/Restore info.

Agreed. It's a dumb limitation, anyway. A lot of users (like me) are
going to have a drive or partition dedicated to backups. Being limited
to 30% of the space really discourages that.

Every time I read about Microsoft's backup tools, I am reinforced in my
decisions to use third party stuff.

I use Macrium for images and Casper for clones, in case anyone was going
to ask :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:02:48 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

Every time I read about Microsoft's backup tools, I am reinforced in my
decisions to use third party stuff.

I feel exactly the same way.

I use Macrium for images and Casper for clones, in case anyone was going
to ask :-)

Acronis here.

--

Char Jackson

Norton Ghost Or Bounce Back works Grate for me


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AL'S COMPUTERS
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 29/11/2010 23:37, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
(snip)

Thanks, Jeff. Where did you find that?

Hi Dave.

That was from "Windows Help and Support" on my HP laptop. A search on
"Backup" gets 30 hits. No. 6 is "What backup settings should I use to
maximize my disk space? The second bullet point in that is the info I
quoted.

Help and Support?? REAL geeks don't use Help and Support!

LoL!!

Thanks. I should have looked myself, but I was too lazy. The Windows 7
Help and Support is more useful than past versions were.

I must say that I was surprised to find something useful there, too. And
that after a fair bit of Goggling. But it's only 5/10 for Microsoft, as
they should have put that disk size limitation up front in the Control
Panel Backup/Restore info.

--

Jeff