Is the current computer generation absolutely clueless?

I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win 7
forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance when
XP or Vista came out...

Gordon wrote:
I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...

You've given me an idea.

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"Gordon" wrote in message
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win
7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...

You're now dealing with "know-it-all" kids.
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"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...

Not when XP came out, no. When Vista came out? It was even worse than this
in the n/g's.

"Gordon" wrote in
:

I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current computer
generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a programmer
had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use upper memory,
and as little as possible. We had to know memory managers,
config.sys/autoexec.bat settings, etc. etc. etc. We had to understand
some computer science basics, algorithms, data structures, programming
principles, etc. Kids today are friggin' clueless. c# has dumbed down
programming to an all new dismal level. Give a "programmer" a computer
but take away the mouse and they don't know what to do. I can't believe
how dependent kids today are on guis and menus when there are still
consoles out there that do the same thing faster.

However - when XP came out, it was absolutely wonderful. We were soo
sick and tired of Win98 crashing everytime you passed gas. Win2000 back
then wasn't much better, especially if you got out of the narrow range
of approved hardware and software. XP came out and for the first time
ever, we had an OS that actually worked and was stable.

Vista was like WinME - wtf do we need it for? Why should we waste money
on it? Now we have Windows 7, and not only do we ask what do we need it
for, we find that Microsoft has *forced* gui changes on us that we
didn't ask for and don't want. For 15 years we have been using the
Win95/98 gui style and it works fine. We didn't want or need new gui
styles, we just wanted more stability and compatibility and oh yeah fix
all of the security holes if you can. Instead they change gui styles and
move things around and in general make it harder to use. I'm one of
these howlers - I hate what Microsoft did to Windows 7.

How would you like it if car makers changed the positions of gas and
brake pedals? Reversed the way the steering wheel works? Turned the
drivers seat sideways? Yet microsoft has done stupid things like that to
Windows 7. So of course you get howlers and complainers whining about
Windows 7. It's not ignorance, it's outrage at having new gui styles
forced down our throats.

Alias wrote:
Gordon wrote:
I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

You've given me an idea.

****!!! I bet that hurt!...LOL!

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
"Gordon" wrote in
:

I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current computer
generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a programmer
had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use upper memory,
and as little as possible. We had to know memory managers,
config.sys/autoexec.bat settings, etc. etc. etc. We had to understand
some computer science basics, algorithms, data structures, programming
principles, etc. Kids today are friggin' clueless. c# has dumbed down
programming to an all new dismal level. Give a "programmer" a computer
but take away the mouse and they don't know what to do. I can't believe
how dependent kids today are on guis and menus when there are still
consoles out there that do the same thing faster.

However - when XP came out, it was absolutely wonderful. We were soo
sick and tired of Win98 crashing everytime you passed gas. Win2000 back
then wasn't much better, especially if you got out of the narrow range
of approved hardware and software. XP came out and for the first time
ever, we had an OS that actually worked and was stable.

Vista was like WinME - wtf do we need it for? Why should we waste money
on it? Now we have Windows 7, and not only do we ask what do we need it
for, we find that Microsoft has *forced* gui changes on us that we
didn't ask for and don't want. For 15 years we have been using the
Win95/98 gui style and it works fine. We didn't want or need new gui
styles, we just wanted more stability and compatibility and oh yeah fix
all of the security holes if you can. Instead they change gui styles and
move things around and in general make it harder to use. I'm one of
these howlers - I hate what Microsoft did to Windows 7.

How would you like it if car makers changed the positions of gas and
brake pedals? Reversed the way the steering wheel works? Turned the
drivers seat sideways? Yet microsoft has done stupid things like that to
Windows 7. So of course you get howlers and complainers whining about
Windows 7. It's not ignorance, it's outrage at having new gui styles
forced down our throats.

AMEN!



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In article vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83, Augustus says...

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...

Not when XP came out, no.

You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.

When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.

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www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

In article 31, Zootal
says...

However - when XP came out, it was absolutely wonderful.

Google disagrees. Plenty of hits about software not working, lack of
drivers, poor stability, poor performance...

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www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

"Conor" wrote in message
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In article vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83, Augustus says...

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...

Not when XP came out, no.

You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.

When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.

When XP first came out I woudn't touch it. I waited until all the bugs had
been fixed and THEN installed it. I was very happy with it after that and
was very sorry to lose it when I had to have a new machine and Win7!

You are very quick to call others, liars

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"Zootal" wrote in message

How would you like it if car makers changed the positions of gas and
brake pedals? Reversed the way the steering wheel works? Turned the
drivers seat sideways? Yet microsoft has done stupid things like that to
Windows 7. So of course you get howlers and complainers whining about
Windows 7. It's not ignorance, it's outrage at having new gui styles
forced down our throats.

Well lets see what you are squawking about... a comparative list please.
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"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current computer
generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a programmer
had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use upper memory,
and as little as possible. We had to know memory managers,
config.sys/autoexec.bat settings, etc. etc. etc. We had to understand
some computer science basics, algorithms, data structures, programming
principles, etc. Kids today are friggin' clueless. c# has dumbed down
programming to an all new dismal level. Give a "programmer" a computer
but take away the mouse and they don't know what to do. I can't believe
how dependent kids today are on guis and menus when there are still
consoles out there that do the same thing faster.

However - when XP came out, it was absolutely wonderful. We were soo
sick and tired of Win98 crashing everytime you passed gas. Win2000 back
then wasn't much better, especially if you got out of the narrow range
of approved hardware and software. XP came out and for the first time
ever, we had an OS that actually worked and was stable.

Vista was like WinME - wtf do we need it for? Why should we waste money
on it? Now we have Windows 7, and not only do we ask what do we need it
for, we find that Microsoft has *forced* gui changes on us that we
didn't ask for and don't want. For 15 years we have been using the
Win95/98 gui style and it works fine. We didn't want or need new gui
styles, we just wanted more stability and compatibility and oh yeah fix
all of the security holes if you can. Instead they change gui styles and
move things around and in general make it harder to use. I'm one of
these howlers - I hate what Microsoft did to Windows 7.

How would you like it if car makers changed the positions of gas and
brake pedals? Reversed the way the steering wheel works? Turned the
drivers seat sideways? Yet microsoft has done stupid things like that to
Windows 7. So of course you get howlers and complainers whining about
Windows 7. It's not ignorance, it's outrage at having new gui styles
forced down our throats.

While you make some interesting points about a newer generation of computer
users you also don't seem to take into account what is really happening with
user interfaces. You are a mechanic who can fix cars, prefers a manual
transmissions, and a tri fold maps. The new automobiles have automatic
transmissions, GPS navigation, sophisticated power systems, auto parking
modes, back up cameras etc etc. Why would you expect computers to follow a
different path? New GUI's with touch and voice control and anything else
that will ultimately allow computer illiterate novices to accomplish tasks
are the future of personal computing. The basic windows interface has
pretty much remained unchanged since Win95 days...how long do you really
expect that to continue. Ford no longer makes the Model T.

You mention that no one wanted a newly updated GUI but I think that sales
statistics for the Windows 7 will prove you wrong on that point because
there is still very little that can't be done with Windows XP.

In article , Charles Tomaras says...

You are a mechanic who can fix cars, prefers a manual
transmissions, and a tri fold maps. The new automobiles have automatic
transmissions, GPS navigation, sophisticated power systems, auto parking
modes, back up cameras etc etc.

Bad analogy. A mechanic would be expected to know how to do both.
Certainly my training covered both.

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www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

Conor wrote:

In article 31, Zootal
says...

However - when XP came out, it was absolutely wonderful.

Google disagrees. Plenty of hits about software not working, lack of
drivers, poor stability, poor performance...

Yes, but that's relative. Do you remember ME? There is no doubt that XP
was a vast improvement. ME was treated just like Vista . . . people
reverted to Win98 because it was so bad. XP *was* a great improvement,
and after a couple of service packs, it was stable, easy to use, and ran
a wide selection of hardware, including old legacy stuff.

Sure, it had security issues . . . nearly everyone ran as administrator,
either because they had to to run much of the software, or because that
was the default and they didn't know any better. MS could have done a
better job with security from the beginning, but they did improve the
product, and in the end, got things pretty much squared away.

Vista might have been better, but too many people found it unusable
because it didn't run software they needed, wouldn't run hardware they
needed, or they were too inept to understand security and properly set
up their computer. But hey, that describes most users!

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"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
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You mention that no one wanted a newly updated GUI but I think that sales
statistics for the Windows 7 will prove you wrong on that point because
there is still very little that can't be done with Windows XP.

I think that more to the point, if we need a new computer, we don't have a
choice!

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