Is the current computer generation absolutely clueless?

"Gordon" wrote in message
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win 7
forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...
I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their lives
updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for problems (but never
called anything but issues). In the early 1900's every motorist knew how to
rebuild his vehicle and do running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s
most schoolboys could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could
even change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the
stage where only the professionals know how to repair the machine or the
software, then it will really have come of age. So if you notice that we are
heading in that direction- then I can only say that things are improving. In
the meantime users should be encouraged to use this and similar groups to
try and get their heads around the things they need to know without having
to have some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.

"Fred" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win
7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
when XP or Vista came out...
I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their lives
updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for problems (but
never called anything but issues). In the early 1900's every motorist knew
how to rebuild his vehicle and do running roadside repairs. Right up until
the 60s most schoolboys could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very
few could even change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers
reach the stage where only the professionals know how to repair the
machine or the software, then it will really have come of age. So if you
notice that we are heading in that direction- then I can only say that
things are improving. In the meantime users should be encouraged to use
this and similar groups to try and get their heads around the things they
need to know without having to have some 'entry level knowledge', or
without being called dense.

Good post!

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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

Ophelia wrote:


"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in
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How would you like it if car makers changed the positions of gas and
brake pedals? Reversed the way the steering wheel works? Turned the
drivers seat sideways? Yet microsoft has done stupid things like that to
Windows 7. So of course you get howlers and complainers whining about
Windows 7. It's not ignorance, it's outrage at having new gui styles
forced down our throats.

AMEN!



Make that double.
Allen

"Ophelia" wrote in
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"Fred" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
...
I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early 1900's
every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do running
roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys could tune
an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even change a spark
plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the stage where only
the professionals know how to repair the machine or the software,
then it will really have come of age. So if you notice that we are
heading in that direction- then I can only say that things are
improving. In the meantime users should be encouraged to use this and
similar groups to try and get their heads around the things they need
to know without having to have some 'entry level knowledge', or
without being called dense.

Good post!



Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's was
when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the technically
adept could actually do anything with them.

The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x came
of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as mysterious
and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we moved
from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to boot the
OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but neither the so
called professionals nor the home users know any more about the OS today
than they did back then. We are not at all moving in the direction where
only the Pro's can repair a machine or the software - we arrived there 20
years ago. Cars arrived there at the end of the 1960s with the advent of
emmission control devices and them thar new fangled computer controls.

"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Ophelia" wrote in
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"Fred" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
...
I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early 1900's
every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do running
roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys could tune
an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even change a spark
plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the stage where only
the professionals know how to repair the machine or the software,
then it will really have come of age. So if you notice that we are
heading in that direction- then I can only say that things are
improving. In the meantime users should be encouraged to use this and
similar groups to try and get their heads around the things they need
to know without having to have some 'entry level knowledge', or
without being called dense.

Good post!



Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's was
when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the technically
adept could actually do anything with them.

The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x came
of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as
mysterious
and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we moved
from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to boot the
OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but neither the so
called professionals nor the home users know any more about the OS today
than they did back then. We are not at all moving in the direction where
only the Pro's can repair a machine or the software - we arrived there 20
years ago. Cars arrived there at the end of the 1960s with the advent of
emmission control devices and them thar new fangled computer controls.

Cars may not be the perfect analogy, but he point is newbies should feel
free to post here in the hope of getting some help, and there are some who
are prepared to help. If you aren't prepared to offer the benefit of your
knowledge and assist, that's fine - juust ignore the post, but nobody wins
when posters waste their time criticizing and abusing others.

"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current computer
generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a programmer
had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use upper memory,
and as little as possible. We had to know memory managers,

Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to function
properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs and DOS).;

On 1/16/10, Conor posted:
In article , Charles Tomaras says...

You are a mechanic who can fix cars, prefers a manual
transmissions, and a tri fold maps. The new automobiles have automatic
transmissions, GPS navigation, sophisticated power systems, auto parking
modes, back up cameras etc etc.

Bad analogy. A mechanic would be expected to know how to do both.
Certainly my training covered both.

I think he meant that a mechanic with the skills mentioned would find
that the current crop of cars is too dumbed down for his tastes and
skills.

--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com

"Fred" wrote in
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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Ophelia" wrote in
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"Fred" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early
1900's every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do
running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys
could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even
change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the
stage where only the professionals know how to repair the machine
or the software, then it will really have come of age. So if you
notice that we are heading in that direction- then I can only say
that things are improving. In the meantime users should be
encouraged to use this and similar groups to try and get their
heads around the things they need to know without having to have
some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.

Good post!



Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's
was when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the
technically adept could actually do anything with them.

The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x
came of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as
mysterious
and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we
moved from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to
boot the OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but
neither the so called professionals nor the home users know any more
about the OS today than they did back then. We are not at all moving
in the direction where only the Pro's can repair a machine or the
software - we arrived there 20 years ago. Cars arrived there at the
end of the 1960s with the advent of emmission control devices and
them thar new fangled computer controls.

Cars may not be the perfect analogy, but he point is newbies should
feel free to post here in the hope of getting some help, and there are
some who are prepared to help. If you aren't prepared to offer the
benefit of your knowledge and assist, that's fine - juust ignore the
post, but nobody wins when posters waste their time criticizing and
abusing others.



Huh, I didn't get that point at all...but I agree with you 100% :-)

"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Fred" wrote in
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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Ophelia" wrote in
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"Fred" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
...
I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early
1900's every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do
running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys
could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even
change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the
stage where only the professionals know how to repair the machine
or the software, then it will really have come of age. So if you
notice that we are heading in that direction- then I can only say
that things are improving. In the meantime users should be
encouraged to use this and similar groups to try and get their
heads around the things they need to know without having to have
some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.

Good post!



Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's
was when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the
technically adept could actually do anything with them.

The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x
came of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as
mysterious
and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we
moved from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to
boot the OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but
neither the so called professionals nor the home users know any more
about the OS today than they did back then. We are not at all moving
in the direction where only the Pro's can repair a machine or the
software - we arrived there 20 years ago. Cars arrived there at the
end of the 1960s with the advent of emmission control devices and
them thar new fangled computer controls.

Cars may not be the perfect analogy, but he point is newbies should
feel free to post here in the hope of getting some help, and there are
some who are prepared to help. If you aren't prepared to offer the
benefit of your knowledge and assist, that's fine - juust ignore the
post, but nobody wins when posters waste their time criticizing and
abusing others.



Huh, I didn't get that point at all...but I agree with you 100% :-)

No offence intended - Read 'If you aren't prepared to offer ........' as -
'If those who aren't prepared to offer.......'

"Gilgamesh" wrote in
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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a
programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use
upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
managers,

Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
and DOS).;


Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent linker,
fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system. We didn't have
monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as our terminal.
shudder

I must agree wholeheartedly today's generation of punks are clueless and useless
****s.

Gordon wrote:

I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win 7
forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance when
XP or Vista came out...

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"Ophelia" wrote in message
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"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
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You mention that no one wanted a newly updated GUI but I think that sales
statistics for the Windows 7 will prove you wrong on that point because
there is still very little that can't be done with Windows XP.

I think that more to the point, if we need a new computer, we don't have a
choice!

Yes and it's difficult to buy a new car without seat beats or air bags.

No one if forcing you to buy Windows 7. I believe you can still buy a Mac,
or even a box with Linux or no OS if you shop at at a local box maker.

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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a
programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use
upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
managers,

Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
and DOS).;


Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent linker,
fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system. We didn't have
monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as our terminal.
shudder

Real programmers don't eat quiche
Real programmers don't even know how to spell keysh.

Real programmers don't debug code.
Real programmers make software work by toggling the various switches on the
front of the computer.

Real programmers don't work 9 to 5.
If you see a programmer at 9 AM it's because they worked all night
correcting a user error.

Real programmers can make their software work in 10K of memory

:-)

"Gordon" wrote in
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are
on the MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of
complete ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I have been in this group (out of pure curiosity, I will die
torn apart by four horses before I use Win7 (Win6.1) or Vista
(Win6), and it is actually less stupid than the XP groups which
I have been in for about 5-7 weeks. I still use 98SELite for
almost everything, I needed to install XP for ONE reason only,
and it will be gone as soon as I'm done with that app. But I can
not believe the stupidity of most XP group denizens compared to
the pre-XP groups (when they were popular, but even now, maybe
especially now...:

In answer to your question, due to the concerted efforts of
software manufacturers, the mass media, and 21st Century
governments, people in general /are/ getting dumber and dumber
on the average. Most people should not even be allowed to OWN a
computer - but it makes a perfect surveillance tool for a
person's entire life/activities, so totalitarian governments
(like the USA and China) love them.


--
There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives
and those that will break later.
- Chuck Armstrong (This one I think, http://www.cleanreg.com/,
not the ball player. But who knows. I can't remember where I got
the quote. But it's true.)

"Gilgamesh" wrote in
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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gilgamesh" wrote in
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"Zootal" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in
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I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.

I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
ignorance when XP or Vista came out...


I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days,
a programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to
use upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
managers,

Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
and DOS).;


Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent
linker, fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system.
We didn't have monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as
our terminal. shudder

Real programmers don't eat quiche
Real programmers don't even know how to spell keysh.

Real programmers don't debug code.
Real programmers make software work by toggling the various switches
on the front of the computer.

Real programmers don't work 9 to 5.
If you see a programmer at 9 AM it's because they worked all night
correcting a user error.

Real programmers can make their software work in 10K of memory

:-)


There is more truth to than there should be . I got out of bed at 8am
this morning. Wasn't sure what that weird bright thing outside my window
was, I don't see it on that side of the house very often. And we
actually had 16k to play with. And we would enter programs via the
switches on the front console just for fun. Kids today hardly know what
assembler is - we had to use raw machine code for these babys! No
reloadable modules. You want to jump or branch? You calculated where you
were going to jump to and don't get it wrong or kablooie. No pipeline
for these cpus, no instruction level paralellism, no out of order
processing. Risc hadn't even been invented yet. One of our machines had
honest to goodness core memory. Now I'm really feeling old...