Drop Dead DropBox

Linux User wrote:

He is using Windows 10 so everything belongs to Micro$haft! that is what
he is told here.


This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.
Windows 10 itself is a magnificent piece of software. But I'd hate to
have to run whatever other garbage an OEM installed with it.

--
Joel Crump

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:10:55 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 26 Apr 2017, aioeuser wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Now I need to make sure I can keep my Win XP Pro laptop working
forever.

Good luck with that.

Forever is a very long time, but the foreseeable future is well within
reach.

On 04/26/2017 03:34 PM, aioeuser wrote:
It came installed with my new Windows 10 laptop !!!
Along with a bunch of crap that makes accessing the Internet slow as a dog.
Totally worthless OS.

It is not a worthless OS. It's a worthless vendor/manufacturer that
sold you the laptop and added junk.

On 04/26/2017 05:07 PM, Paul wrote:
AIOEUser wrote:
TCPView show that DropBox is TCPing data !
Why ???
I do not use DropBox.

How do I get rid of it !!!!

Invasion of privacy by M$

You can download a Windows 10 DVD from Microsoft.

The version should match. So if the laptop has Windows 10 Pro
then get a Windows 10 Pro DVD. You can install either 32-bit
or 64-bit Windows (the license key works with either), and
64-bit Windows allows one program to use more RAM if it wants.

The license key is stored in the BIOS, in the MSDM table. When
you install Windows 10 on a Windows 10 laptop, it will automatically
activate, using that key, so you don't need to write down or
extract the key. It's all automatic.

By doing a clean install (not a repair install), the OS will be
minty fresh. No OEM software will be present, for better or worse.

To do a clean install, you boot the computer with the downloaded
DVD and follow the instructions. If you don't have a DVD drive,
don't have a portable (slim) USB DVD drive, you can use a USB
key as the media.

Any time you do stuff like this, back up the entire hard drive
(or eMMC drive, depending on type). If you get in trouble,
you can do a restore, using the emergency boot CD that comes
with the backup software. If your portable computer doesn't have
an optical drive, you can put the emergency boot CD on a USB key.

You don't have to put up with this, or make half-hearted attempts
to "clean it". Just, blow it away and reinstall.

It will cost you a couple USB keys, worst case, which you can
pick up at Walmart. So it should not take a lot of time to rectify
if you are in a hurry. If you have an optical drive and a supply
of blank media, this'll take no time at all. Even on my crappy
Internet here, I can download a fresh DVD in about 40 minutes.

And yes, I already did this to my laptop - namely, blew away
the Acer Home Premium, and installed Retail Home Premium. No
more Zynga games or other bloat.

To do backups, I like this. I have three emergency boot CDs,
built for different computers.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Paul
Is taking a non OEM win 10 DVD and clean loading a laptop that is
licensed by the BIOS a new feature of Win 10. I'm almost sure you
couldn't do that in win 8 or 7??

Joel wrote:
Linux User wrote:

He is using Windows 10 so everything belongs to Micro$haft! that is what
he is told here.


This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.
Windows 10 itself is a magnificent piece of software. But I'd hate to
have to run whatever other garbage an OEM installed with it.


A preemptive multitasking OS, you should *never* lose control,
you should never be able to freeze it.

Windows 10 "is not that magnificent".

Task Manager does not work in emergency conditions.
It doesn't work as well as Task Manager in WinXP does.

I have one application here, which can "freeze" Win10, to the point
I cannot use Task Manager, and I have to use either the hardware
RESET button or the power button. Windows 10 apparently cannot
reliably detect an "out of resources" condition.

That's *not* how a magnificent OS works.

Ladling on gobs of GUI goodness on top of a bad design,
is not "evolution". It's an insult.

The OS would be quite different, if Hyper-V on the desktop
would disappear, and the OS architecture diagram could be
made to change. With inverted hypervisor requirements out
of the way, I bet a damn-fine Task Manager could be written.
And more important stability cases, handled with grace.

All my requirements can be met by VirtualBox, which coexists
with the OS, without strong-arming it, or weakening the design.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Joel wrote:

This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.
Windows 10 itself is a magnificent piece of software. But I'd hate to
have to run whatever other garbage an OEM installed with it.

A preemptive multitasking OS, you should *never* lose control,
you should never be able to freeze it.

Windows 10 "is not that magnificent".

Task Manager does not work in emergency conditions.
It doesn't work as well as Task Manager in WinXP does.

I have one application here, which can "freeze" Win10, to the point
I cannot use Task Manager, and I have to use either the hardware
RESET button or the power button. Windows 10 apparently cannot
reliably detect an "out of resources" condition.

That's *not* how a magnificent OS works.

Ladling on gobs of GUI goodness on top of a bad design,
is not "evolution". It's an insult.

The OS would be quite different, if Hyper-V on the desktop
would disappear, and the OS architecture diagram could be
made to change. With inverted hypervisor requirements out
of the way, I bet a damn-fine Task Manager could be written.
And more important stability cases, handled with grace.

All my requirements can be met by VirtualBox, which coexists
with the OS, without strong-arming it, or weakening the design.


There has been a time or two that Win10 crashed on me, but on the
whole, it's been reliable. There's nothing I can't potentially
attribute to a hardware error or something beyond the control of the
software. I am grateful for Microsoft's commitment to the PC platform
in these days of newfangled devices.

--
Joel Crump

On 26/04/2017 20:34, aioeuser wrote:
I did not install DropBox.
It came installed with my new Windows 10 laptop !!!
Along with a bunch of crap that makes accessing the Internet slow as a dog.
Totally worthless OS.
My Win XP Pro laptop is far superior !!!!
Now I need to make sure I can keep my Win XP Pro laptop working forever.


You can't blame Microsoft for what the manufacturer of your computer
decided to install in addition to Windows.

Or are you getting the name Dropbox wrong?

Microsoft has something called, if I remember correctly, Skydrive which
is similar, but it's not Dropbox.

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

Big Al wrote:
On 04/26/2017 05:07 PM, Paul wrote:
AIOEUser wrote:
TCPView show that DropBox is TCPing data !
Why ???
I do not use DropBox.

How do I get rid of it !!!!

Invasion of privacy by M$

You can download a Windows 10 DVD from Microsoft.

The version should match. So if the laptop has Windows 10 Pro
then get a Windows 10 Pro DVD. You can install either 32-bit
or 64-bit Windows (the license key works with either), and
64-bit Windows allows one program to use more RAM if it wants.

The license key is stored in the BIOS, in the MSDM table. When
you install Windows 10 on a Windows 10 laptop, it will automatically
activate, using that key, so you don't need to write down or
extract the key. It's all automatic.

By doing a clean install (not a repair install), the OS will be
minty fresh. No OEM software will be present, for better or worse.

To do a clean install, you boot the computer with the downloaded
DVD and follow the instructions. If you don't have a DVD drive,
don't have a portable (slim) USB DVD drive, you can use a USB
key as the media.

Any time you do stuff like this, back up the entire hard drive
(or eMMC drive, depending on type). If you get in trouble,
you can do a restore, using the emergency boot CD that comes
with the backup software. If your portable computer doesn't have
an optical drive, you can put the emergency boot CD on a USB key.

You don't have to put up with this, or make half-hearted attempts
to "clean it". Just, blow it away and reinstall.

It will cost you a couple USB keys, worst case, which you can
pick up at Walmart. So it should not take a lot of time to rectify
if you are in a hurry. If you have an optical drive and a supply
of blank media, this'll take no time at all. Even on my crappy
Internet here, I can download a fresh DVD in about 40 minutes.

And yes, I already did this to my laptop - namely, blew away
the Acer Home Premium, and installed Retail Home Premium. No
more Zynga games or other bloat.

To do backups, I like this. I have three emergency boot CDs,
built for different computers.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Paul
Is taking a non OEM win 10 DVD and clean loading a laptop that is
licensed by the BIOS a new feature of Win 10. I'm almost sure you
couldn't do that in win 8 or 7??


I think MSDM was used for OEM W8 and W10 gear.

That means Win8 or so, should have had the same capability.

The old method was SLIC, which didn't contain an actual key.
The installed OS on a SLIC machine, used a generic key which
was the same on all (OEM) machines. The generic key was just in
the OS. The separate COA sticker on a SLIC OEM machine, contained
a different (custom) key, to be used if reinstalling with
retail media. The OEM didn't put the custom key, in the
original installation - this allows an operator to clone exact
copies of the OEM OS, and bolt them into the computers. The
SLIC table from the BIOS, "proves" to the OS that it is authorized.

Whereas MSDM is supposed to be a one-stop-shop. It is a key,
but there is no sticker on the machine for humans to read.

The difference between SLIC and MSDM, is SLIC could activate as
many as three different OSes (as long as they had drivers of course).
Whereas MSDM only activates one OS. I'm not sure what happens
on a "free upgrade" Win10 situation, if a Win8 MSDM is detected,
whether that is automated or not. There was some issue on one
of the Win10 installs, where the installer was grabbing the key
instead of waiting for user input - this prevented users from
using their own key (and SKU of OS software). The installer
had to be modified a bit, to put the user back in control.

Paul

On 27/04/2017 01:08, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/04/2017 20:34, aioeuser wrote:
I did not install DropBox.
It came installed with my new Windows 10 laptop !!!
Along with a bunch of crap that makes accessing the Internet slow as
a dog.
Totally worthless OS.
My Win XP Pro laptop is far superior !!!!
Now I need to make sure I can keep my Win XP Pro laptop working forever.


You can't blame Microsoft for what the manufacturer of your computer
decided to install in addition to Windows.

Do you need to repeat what others have already told the op?


Or are you getting the name Dropbox wrong?



Microsoft has something called, if I remember correctly, Skydrive
which is similar, but it's not Dropbox.


No you are not "remembering correctly". There is no such thing as
skydrive these days. It is now called OneDrive
https://onedrive.live.com/about/en-gb/.

It looks like you don't seem to have anything original to contribute.
You are just copying what others have already written before you to get
your number of posts per day quota. Is this your full-time hobby?



--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

"Joel" wrote

| This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.

OEMs don't do what they do without permission
from MS. They have to license the product and MS
set the rules. It benefits both sides to bring down
the price with shovelware. Some of the worst
shovelware is from Microsoft themselves. More than
one acquaintance has complained to me in the past
that they thought their computer came with MS Office
and/or Norton. There were logo stickers right on the
machine. But they didn't see the fine print that said
they were really getting 3-month-trial shovelware
and not the actual program. They didn't even get a
chance to choose whether to install the trial.

I suppose you could say that was their own fault,
for not reading the fine print. But Microsoft do that
*because* they know people will be fooled and will
believe the implication of the software logos on the
machine they buy. MS do it in hopes the customer
will get hooked and then buy the product. That is,
they're trying to cheat their own customers. No
different from a mechanic who fixes your muffler
and then tells you falsely that you need other repairs.

There have been rare cases in the past when MS
were forced to install junk. If I remember correctly,
that was the case with ISP software on Win98. MS
were forced to install competitors' products in order
to give people a chance to choose which ISP they
wanted. But for the most part MS is a full partner
with the OEMs in the sleaze. They may also be getting
a kickback. since they don't publish figures on those
deals there's no way to know.

AIOEUser wrote:

TCPView show that DropBox is TCPing data ! Why ??? I do not use
DropBox. How do I get rid of it !!!!

Same old method: uninstall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYBn4NQSRAk

Invasion of privacy by M$

Nope. Just you forgetting you installed Dropbox or not knowing someone
else installed Dropbox.

When you buy pre-built computers with pre-installed software, you get
whatever bundle of crap they dumped on the computer. It's up to you to
flush the crap from the pre-built.

On 27/04/2017 01:33:47, Mayayana wrote:
"Joel" wrote

This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.

OEMs don't do what they do without permission
from MS. They have to license the product and MS
set the rules. It benefits both sides to bring down
the price with shovelware. Some of the worst
shovelware is from Microsoft themselves. More than
one acquaintance has complained to me in the past
that they thought their computer came with MS Office
and/or Norton. There were logo stickers right on the
machine. But they didn't see the fine print that said
they were really getting 3-month-trial shovelware
and not the actual program. They didn't even get a
chance to choose whether to install the trial.

I suppose you could say that was their own fault,
for not reading the fine print. But Microsoft do that
*because* they know people will be fooled and will
believe the implication of the software logos on the
machine they buy. MS do it in hopes the customer
will get hooked and then buy the product. That is,
they're trying to cheat their own customers. No
different from a mechanic who fixes your muffler
and then tells you falsely that you need other repairs.

There have been rare cases in the past when MS
were forced to install junk. If I remember correctly,
that was the case with ISP software on Win98. MS
were forced to install competitors' products in order
to give people a chance to choose which ISP they
wanted. But for the most part MS is a full partner
with the OEMs in the sleaze. They may also be getting
a kickback. since they don't publish figures on those
deals there's no way to know.

Too many times have I come across people with all sorts of nasties on
their machines who didn't realise they had to pay to update their
Anti-Virus. Why do I have to do that? It came installed when I bought
the computer.

--
mick

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 12:34:56 -0700 "aioeuser" wrote in
article

I did not install DropBox.
It came installed with my new Windows 10 laptop !!!
Along with a bunch of crap that makes accessing the Internet slow as a dog.
Totally worthless OS.
My Win XP Pro laptop is far superior !!!!
Now I need to make sure I can keep my Win XP Pro laptop working forever.

DropBox is not a Windows app is it? You access it via the Web on Windows
or as an app on a smartphone.

On 27/04/2017 02:27, Jason wrote:
DropBox is not a Windows app is it? You access it via the Web on Windows
or as an app on a smartphone.

Have you used dropbox at all? You can download a Windows APP to make
your life easy to upload the files like most cloud services these days.

Last time you told us you don't trust cloud storage so why are you
barking on the wrong tree in this post? Are you just another troll?
(Peter, Jason, Peter Jason, PJ, PJP etc WTF)


--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

"Mayayana" wrote:
"Joel" wrote

| This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an OEM preinstallation problem.

OEMs don't do what they do without permission
from MS. They have to license the product and MS
set the rules. It benefits both sides to bring down
the price with shovelware. Some of the worst
shovelware is from Microsoft themselves. More than
one acquaintance has complained to me in the past
that they thought their computer came with MS Office
and/or Norton. There were logo stickers right on the
machine. But they didn't see the fine print that said
they were really getting 3-month-trial shovelware
and not the actual program. They didn't even get a
chance to choose whether to install the trial.

I suppose you could say that was their own fault,
for not reading the fine print. But Microsoft do that
*because* they know people will be fooled and will
believe the implication of the software logos on the
machine they buy. MS do it in hopes the customer
will get hooked and then buy the product. That is,
they're trying to cheat their own customers. No
different from a mechanic who fixes your muffler
and then tells you falsely that you need other repairs.

There have been rare cases in the past when MS
were forced to install junk. If I remember correctly,
that was the case with ISP software on Win98. MS
were forced to install competitors' products in order
to give people a chance to choose which ISP they
wanted. But for the most part MS is a full partner
with the OEMs in the sleaze. They may also be getting
a kickback. since they don't publish figures on those
deals there's no way to know.


Well, the bottom line is that if one wants to control his/her box, he/
she should wipe the SSD/hard drive that comes with an OEM computer,
and install Windows on its own. I don't like laptops, but if I did,
I'd definitely not just use the preinstalled operating system, with
all the crapware the OEM put on it. I have the advantage as a desktop
PC user that I can build it from parts myself, and install Windows
cleanly, but doing a clean install on an OEM laptop is worthwhile as
well.

--
Joel Crump