SP2??

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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I say what I believe to be correct, regardless of what Microsoft
says. In some cases, it's the same as what Microsoft says, in
others it's not. As a single example, I've several times said
here that I think WordPerfect is a better word processor than
Microsoft Word.


[snip]

But I won't argue with you about it. It's your computer, and you
are free to install or not install whatever you want.

I'll admit, you sound better than Jones on this. I get the impression that
he feels he has a need to be right.

In ,
John R. Sellers gathered his thoughts and came up
with these words:
"Tom" wrote in message
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Not true, MVPs get perks from MS, like free (expensive) software.
There is an incentive, and I don't think any one MVP here is
altruistic enough to turn down anything from MS, in lieu of voluntary
services given.

So they get free what we pay for. Oh yeah, that's fair.

If you weren't so danged ready to try and point fingers, maybe you could
count the number of posts by these terrible people who spend an enormous
amount of their free time trying to help people with the problems. For the
life of me, I don't know why some of them do it and have to deal with the
ignorant few who are always trying to drag them through the mud.

--
Ron Bogart {} ô¿ô¬
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Life is what happens while we are making other plans."

"Ron Bogart" wrote in message
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If you weren't so danged ready to try and point fingers, maybe you could
count the number of posts by these terrible people who spend an enormous
amount of their free time trying to help people with the problems. For
the
life of me, I don't know why some of them do it and have to deal with the
ignorant few who are always trying to drag them through the mud.

I'm not trying to drag anybody down, I simply wanna know why the MVPs in
here get free software worth hundreds of dollars just for answering a few
questions, and the rest of us have to shell out our hard-earned money for
the same software.

Ron Bogart wrote:

If you weren't so danged ready to try and point fingers, maybe you could
count the number of posts by these terrible people who spend an enormous
amount of their free time trying to help people with the problems. For the
life of me, I don't know why some of them do it and have to deal with the
ignorant few who are always trying to drag them through the mud.

I have said before, but will repeat. If I set what I receive from
Microsoft against what would be a reasonable charge for what I do at
consultancy rates, the term "peanuts" comes to mind


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

John R. Sellers wrote:

I'm not trying to drag anybody down, I simply wanna know why
the MVPs in here get free software worth hundreds of dollars
just for answering a few questions,

It's more than a few, here is a couple of Google newsgroup searches
for past year activity for:

Torgeir Bakken, involved in about 16,200 threads
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe...=d&lr=&hl=e n

Alex Nichol, involved in about 23,900 threads
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe...ng=d&lr=&hl=en

Jupiter Jones, involved in about 23,800 threads
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe...ng=d&lr=&hl=en


and the rest of us have to shell out our hard-earned money for
the same software.

Actually, strictly speaking, it is not the same software. MSDN software
is for development, test, and demonstration purposes only, you are not
supposed to use the software for day-to-day operations (personal or
general business use). The only exception from the rule is Microsoft
Office.

More he
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscripti...aspx#licensing


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx

OMG......boy did we get off the topic!!! I just have one more question
before I DO install SP2. Is it going to mess up my wireless network?? I
finally got my computer cleaned from that MidAdle and Peper Trojan. I am
going to go take care of all the necessary steps before installing it but
being that I am hooked up via Verizon DSL modem connected to a microsoft
wireless router with 2 X box live adapters and a LynkSys adapter, I want to
make sure I will be able to get on-line once i install it. Is there any
precautions I should take regarding my connection?? Thanx again......Patty
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
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Definitely resolve all issues first.
Pre-existing problems known and unknown cause a lot of SP-2 issues.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"jt3" wrote in message
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I haven't installed SP2 yet, but it is only because I'm still
fighting
problems with the CPU on my new machine, and it's usually sound
advice to
avoid complication where a problem already exists. I plan to,
however, when
the problem is resolved--a large number of the fixes involved help
cut down
on further attacks on everyone else's machine, so one does it at
least
partly as a responsibility, seems to me.

Quite the contrary - Service Pack has better/easier support for Wireless
Networks. You'll find a new dedicated Wireless setup applet in Control
Panel.

"Patty" wrote in message
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OMG......boy did we get off the topic!!! I just have one more question
before I DO install SP2. Is it going to mess up my wireless network?? I
finally got my computer cleaned from that MidAdle and Peper Trojan. I am
going to go take care of all the necessary steps before installing it but
being that I am hooked up via Verizon DSL modem connected to a microsoft
wireless router with 2 X box live adapters and a LynkSys adapter, I want
to
make sure I will be able to get on-line once i install it. Is there any
precautions I should take regarding my connection?? Thanx
again......Patty
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
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Definitely resolve all issues first.
Pre-existing problems known and unknown cause a lot of SP-2 issues.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"jt3" wrote in message
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I haven't installed SP2 yet, but it is only because I'm still
fighting
problems with the CPU on my new machine, and it's usually sound
advice to
avoid complication where a problem already exists. I plan to,
however, when
the problem is resolved--a large number of the fixes involved help
cut down
on further attacks on everyone else's machine, so one does it at
least
partly as a responsibility, seems to me.

John;
To add a little to what Torgeir stated.
Many MVPs, myself included, use the software in direct support of the
volunteering we do here and other forums.
There is no requirement at all from Microsoft to do such.
But having the additional software often gives us an opportunity to
test for a problem on a combination otherwise unavailable.
In my case some is on removable hard drives I pull out specifically
for that purpose.
So you might say that because of that I have additional costs to
maintain the additional hardware I otherwise would not have.
No one helped me at all with the additional hardware.

People volunteer on these newsgroups and other forums.
Microsoft thanks some people with software.
The software often comes back in direct support of the people here.
It seems everyone benefits.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
news:G6WdnX3EZJTDdsXcRVn- I'm not trying to drag anybody down, I
simply wanna know why the MVPs in
here get free software worth hundreds of dollars just for answering
a few
questions, and the rest of us have to shell out our hard-earned
money for
the same software.