Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

How does it work compared to RC2?

Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for discussions.

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Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
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How does it work compared to RC2?

How does it work compared to RC2?

root:

Build 2162 is not for the general public.

Use with caution, as it pirated.

Build 2149 is the last XP SP2 RC2 for the general public.

Build 2162 is not pirated and there is no NDA. With that said, all of the
SP2 builds have been basically the same since beta 2 in my opinion. I've not
had any serious problems except w/ IIS on an early beta but its fixed.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
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"terri" wrote in message
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Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
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How does it work compared to RC2?

As Terri has already said, Build 2162 is not a public release and was not
made available to the public. Those using it are under NDA and not at
liberty to discuss it.

If people who are not a part of the technical beta have found it for
download it is pirated.

Linda A. Epstein
Microsoft MVP Tablet PC
Editor/Publisher: www.TabletPc2.com



"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
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Build 2162 is not pirated and there is no NDA. With that said, all of the
SP2 builds have been basically the same since beta 2 in my opinion. I've
not had any serious problems except w/ IIS on an early beta but its fixed.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
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How does it work compared to RC2?

"Linda A. Epstein ~ MS MVP" wrote in message
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As Terri has already said, Build 2162 is not a public release and was
not
made available to the public. Those using it are under NDA and not at
liberty to discuss it.

That's all fine and dandy but another poster suggested otherwise. The fact
is that it was widely announced on the web and is widely available for
download. So for those availing themselves of 2162 then I'd like to hear
from them. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread then please
don't.

As Terri has already said, Build 2162 is not a public release and was not
made available to the public. Those using it are under NDA and not at
liberty to discuss it.

If people who are not a part of the technical beta have found it for
download it is pirated.

Linda A. Epstein
Microsoft MVP Tablet PC
Editor/Publisher: www.TabletPc2.com



"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Build 2162 is not pirated and there is no NDA. With that said, all of the
SP2 builds have been basically the same since beta 2 in my opinion. I've
not had any serious problems except w/ IIS on an early beta but its fixed.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
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How does it work compared to RC2?

"Linda A. Epstein ~ MS MVP" wrote in message
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As Terri has already said, Build 2162 is not a public release and was
not
made available to the public. Those using it are under NDA and not at
liberty to discuss it.

That's all fine and dandy but another poster suggested otherwise. The fact
is that it was widely announced on the web and is widely available for
download. So for those availing themselves of 2162 then I'd like to hear
from them. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread then please
don't.

1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta, technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
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If you were on the technical beta, Josh, then you would know and be active
in the appropriate private, technical newsgroups. If you're on the public
preview version, that is public knowledge and you can talk about what you
have in the public preview newsgroups. As for Longhorn, that has been
released to the public via PDC and WinHEC, as well as available for
download
to MSDN subscribers, but is alpha form only. When it reaches beta stage,
those participating in the technical beta will do so with NDAs wrapped
into
the participation.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
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I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark
it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.

It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about
unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is. We've
been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or supported.
None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was as
easy
as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're not at
liberty to discuss. Geez.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com


"Chris H." wrote in message
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These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Woody" wrote in message
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So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us
"we"s,
fill your boots.

Woody

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
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"We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk
about
it
due
to a non-disclosure agreement.

Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they
want.

--
Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000
MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment


"Woody" wrote in message
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Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we"
want.

And who do you mean by "we"?

Woody

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about
it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone -
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
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How does it work compared to RC2?

Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition. What is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2 build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition. What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

Xref: newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:1193897 microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment:132407

Agreed, the Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is included in Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2, which available to the public. There
are proper public preview newsgroups for those discussions. Discussion
beyond RC2 is still prohibited, which is why I'm attempting to tell you any
post RC2 discussions are not valid here.

Post RC2 builds are not available to the public as part of the preview
program, and if a user has post RC2 builds they are (1) a technical beta
tester with access to the proper technical beta newsgroups for discussion,
or (2) a thief.

In the case of #1 above, the proper channels are available and should be
used. In the case of #2, they know what they can do with the build they're
running. The Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is not yet a released product,
and therefore only "supported" in the proper beta/preview newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made
public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2
build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition.
What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen
with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

Alright fine since we can't agree.. how's this. You don't have to post in
this thread and those of us who want to talk about it will since there are
no undisclosed features that we'd be disclosing outside of the provisions of
the EULA.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Agreed, the Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is included in Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2, which available to the public. There
are proper public preview newsgroups for those discussions. Discussion
beyond RC2 is still prohibited, which is why I'm attempting to tell you
any
post RC2 discussions are not valid here.

Post RC2 builds are not available to the public as part of the preview
program, and if a user has post RC2 builds they are (1) a technical beta
tester with access to the proper technical beta newsgroups for discussion,
or (2) a thief.

In the case of #1 above, the proper channels are available and should be
used. In the case of #2, they know what they can do with the build
they're
running. The Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is not yet a released
product,
and therefore only "supported" in the proper beta/preview newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made
public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2
build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition.
What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not
be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen
with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

The proper area for public discussions of RC2 and the Tablet PC Edition 2005
are defined he
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...p2preview.mspx See
the link under Newsgroups on the right side. It is an unreleased,
unsupported product at this point, but once Microsoft provides the release
and everyone upgrades with XP SP2 and Tablet PC Edition 2005, we will
support it here.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Alright fine since we can't agree.. how's this. You don't have to post in
this thread and those of us who want to talk about it will since there are
no undisclosed features that we'd be disclosing outside of the provisions
of
the EULA.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Agreed, the Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is included in Windows XP
Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2, which available to the public.
There
are proper public preview newsgroups for those discussions. Discussion
beyond RC2 is still prohibited, which is why I'm attempting to tell you
any
post RC2 discussions are not valid here.

Post RC2 builds are not available to the public as part of the preview
program, and if a user has post RC2 builds they are (1) a technical beta
tester with access to the proper technical beta newsgroups for
discussion,
or (2) a thief.

In the case of #1 above, the proper channels are available and should be
used. In the case of #2, they know what they can do with the build
they're
running. The Tablet PC Edition 2005 superset is not yet a released
product,
and therefore only "supported" in the proper beta/preview newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Okay well you can stop saying NDA cause there's no NDA. And like I said
before, the EULA only prevents you from disclosing features not made
public
by Microsoft. Since there are no undisclosed features in the POST RC2
build,
we're free to talk about it. That's the bottom line.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
Josh, what has been available to the public is the preview edition.
What
is
going on within the technical beta IS covered by NDA/EULA and may not
be
discussed outside the technical beta newsgroups.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen
with
a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features.
Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies