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Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??
"Chris H." wrote in message ... See you, root. Is the troll threatening? Is there anyone at MS to report NG abusive behavior to? Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "root" wrote in message ... Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here. |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote:
Mike Kolitz wrote: fact is that it was widely announced on the web ... but not by Microsoft. and is widely available for download. ... but not from Microsoft. If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the final release... and download it from Microsoft. I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely available on the net. Lon PS. nice troll ;-) OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website. |
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I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for
the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of "Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service -------------------------------------------------------- "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it. It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is. We've been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or supported. None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was as easy as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're not at liberty to discuss. Geez. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Chris H." wrote in message ... These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Woody" wrote in message ... So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us "we"s, fill your boots. Woody "Mike Kolitz" wrote in message ... "We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk about it due to a non-disclosure agreement. Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they want. -- Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000 MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment "Woody" wrote in message ... Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we" want. And who do you mean by "we"? Woody "terri" wrote in message ... Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it. If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for discussions. -- Terri Stratton Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC http://thetabletpc.net Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp "root" wrote in message ... How does it work compared to RC2? |
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Nope I meant Lonestar.
-- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Star Fleet Admiral Q" wrote in message ... I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of "Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service -------------------------------------------------------- "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it. It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is. We've been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or supported. None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was as easy as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're not at liberty to discuss. Geez. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Chris H." wrote in message ... These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Woody" wrote in message ... So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us "we"s, fill your boots. Woody "Mike Kolitz" wrote in message ... "We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk about it due to a non-disclosure agreement. Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they want. -- Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000 MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment "Woody" wrote in message ... Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we" want. And who do you mean by "we"? Woody "terri" wrote in message ... Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it. If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for discussions. -- Terri Stratton Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC http://thetabletpc.net Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp "root" wrote in message ... How does it work compared to RC2? |
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Whether you physically signed your signature, or clicked the "agree"
button when you downloaded the file, it means the same - you agree to the terms in which MS put on you downloading the file. Again the EULA was agreed upon when you installed the software. Two different things - Two different agreements. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service -------------------------------------------------------- "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds. Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups. "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful." An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you. It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop posting. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Josh; Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2. This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often. There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely forgotten. You are still bound by it. The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers. You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements. You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming evidence what they say is true. You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you originally brought them up. You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical Preview, major mistake on your part. I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester. I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers. Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now such bragging is not relevant. "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful." An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you. We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful". You need to seek the facts. To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of your responsibilities. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available. I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider myself a beta tester. You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't sign anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to don't prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not publicly divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none. How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Josh; "I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call it" Which is it? They are two different programs with two different purposes. If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta. The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2. That does not make you a Beta tester. You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that would be strictly internal to you. To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when they are not does nothing but add to the confusion. Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems you are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly know and distinguish the difference. To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent? -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... 1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months. 2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things entirely. NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen with a EULA is your software license is terminated. 3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features. Since SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk about any version. 4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to those outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies |
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"Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... Nope I meant Lonestar. And I meant 2162G, anyone? |
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Josh;
You seem to have ignored an important part of my post as you seem to have ignored responsibilities of a Beta tester. You ask "Where's this "evidence" you speak of?" In the part of my post you seemed to miss, posted again below: "To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of your responsibilities." The evidence you speak of is there. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds. Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups. "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful." An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you. It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop posting. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Josh; Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2. This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often. There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely forgotten. You are still bound by it. The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers. You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements. You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming evidence what they say is true. You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you originally brought them up. You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical Preview, major mistake on your part. I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester. I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers. Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now such bragging is not relevant. "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful." An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you. We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful". You need to seek the facts. To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of your responsibilities. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available. I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider myself a beta tester. You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't sign anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to don't prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not publicly divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none. How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Josh; "I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call it" Which is it? They are two different programs with two different purposes. If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta. The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2. That does not make you a Beta tester. You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that would be strictly internal to you. To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when they are not does nothing but add to the confusion. Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems you are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly know and distinguish the difference. To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent? -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... 1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively discussed including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months. 2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things entirely. NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen with a EULA is your software license is terminated. 3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new features. Since SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to talk about any version. 4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm not prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to those outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies |
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NobodyMan wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote: Mike Kolitz wrote: fact is that it was widely announced on the web ... but not by Microsoft. and is widely available for download. ... but not from Microsoft. If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the final release... and download it from Microsoft. I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely available on the net. Lon PS. nice troll ;-) OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website. Why on the MS website? You lost me in one sentence. Lonny |
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"Lonestar:" Next Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u..._tabletpc.mspx -- All the Best, Kelly Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award Troubleshooting Windows XP http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm Taskbar Repair Tool Plus! http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm "Star Fleet Admiral Q" wrote in message ... I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of "Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service -------------------------------------------------------- "Josh Einstein" wrote in message ... I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it. It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is. We've been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or supported. None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was as easy as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're not at liberty to discuss. Geez. -- Josh Einstein Einstein Technologies -------------------------------------------------------- Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99! http://www.einsteinware.com "Chris H." wrote in message ... These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Woody" wrote in message ... So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us "we"s, fill your boots. Woody "Mike Kolitz" wrote in message ... "We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk about it due to a non-disclosure agreement. Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they want. -- Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000 MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment "Woody" wrote in message ... Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we" want. And who do you mean by "we"? Woody "terri" wrote in message ... Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it. If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for discussions. -- Terri Stratton Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC http://thetabletpc.net Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp "root" wrote in message ... How does it work compared to RC2? |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Josh; You seem to have ignored an important part of my post as you seem to have ignored responsibilities of a Beta tester. You ask "Where's this "evidence" you speak of?" In the part of my post you seemed to miss, posted again below: "To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of your responsibilities." The evidence you speak of is there. Does it ****ing matter? Lon |
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Is it S.A.F.E?
Lon Josh Einstein wrote: I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available. I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider myself a beta tester. You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't sign anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to don't prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not publicly divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none. How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful. |
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"CZ" wrote in message ... How does it work compared to RC2? root: Build 2162 is not for the general public. Use with caution, as it pirated. Build 2149 is the last XP SP2 RC2 for the general public. Anyone with legal access to this build is constrained from talking about it in public forums. If you downloaded it from a public site or otherwise obtained it without Microsoft's consent, then you are using pirated, possibly contaminated software. |
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These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/ Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Woody" wrote in message ... So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us "we"s, fill your boots. Woody "Mike Kolitz" wrote in message ... "We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk about it due to a non-disclosure agreement. Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they want. -- Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000 MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment "Woody" wrote in message ... Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we" want. And who do you mean by "we"? Woody "terri" wrote in message ... Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it. If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for discussions. -- Terri Stratton Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC http://thetabletpc.net Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp "root" wrote in message ... How does it work compared to RC2? |
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"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message ... fact is that it was widely announced on the web ... but not by Microsoft. Not relevant. |
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Mike Kolitz wrote:
fact is that it was widely announced on the web ... but not by Microsoft. and is widely available for download. ... but not from Microsoft. If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the final release... and download it from Microsoft. I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely available on the net. Lon PS. nice troll ;-) |
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