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SP2 - WHY?????
"Greg R" wrote On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:25:08 +0200, "Alias" wrote: MVP wrote On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:45:47 +0200, "Alias" wrote: FWIW, I've been on the beta team for that project. I've got it on three systems here and I've not had a single problem with any of them since the RC1 release. -- Jeffrey Struyk Microsoft MVP That's encouraging. But you're a tech. I bet your Windows 98SE/2K/Me/NT ran like silk, too. For the most part, that's a true statement G. It's probably a safe assumption that I spend a bit more time and energy maintaining my systems than the average user. It will be interesting to see what happens to those people who aren't techs. Like another poster said, this coming Tuesday if, indeed, the SP2 is available on Windows Update for the general public, will be an interesting day on XP General. I'm sure there will be questions, issues about the firewall (which is turned on by default) and that kind of thing. As far as new functionality, it's gotten simpler. Take the Security Center and the Wireless Networking. Centralizing the security functions was a very good move. The new wireless networking routines greatly simplify the process and should help novice users configure their own networks. -- Jeffrey Struyk Microsoft MVP But won't having auto update/install enabled cause problems if they also have their AV's auto-scan enabled? Won't some programs not work properly after the download and installation? Alias For some reason Nortons 2004 for has some problems on some systems. Possible due to the stupid activation. However, Using any previous Norton's version 2003 or earlier should work. Here's how I would install xp sp2 if I was downloading xp sp2 and had Norton's. First change windows automatic update to "download updates for me, but let me choose when to install them." When it done downloading. I would unplug or disconnect my internet connections. In services.msc I would stop all of Norton's services. (Not disable) Install xp s2 Reboot The only thing security center may not recognize it Norton is installed. Greg R I don't have Norton. I have Trend Micro that came bundled with SystemSuite 5.0. What would you suggest for that? Alias |
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"Alias" wrote in message ... MVP wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:45:47 +0200, "Alias" wrote: FWIW, I've been on the beta team for that project. I've got it on three systems here and I've not had a single problem with any of them since the RC1 release. -- Jeffrey Struyk Microsoft MVP That's encouraging. But you're a tech. I bet your Windows 98SE/2K/Me/NT ran like silk, too. For the most part, that's a true statement G. It's probably a safe assumption that I spend a bit more time and energy maintaining my systems than the average user. It will be interesting to see what happens to those people who aren't techs. Like another poster said, this coming Tuesday if, indeed, the SP2 is available on Windows Update for the general public, will be an interesting day on XP General. I'm sure there will be questions, issues about the firewall (which is turned on by default) and that kind of thing. As far as new functionality, it's gotten simpler. Take the Security Center and the Wireless Networking. Centralizing the security functions was a very good move. The new wireless networking routines greatly simplify the process and should help novice users configure their own networks. -- Jeffrey Struyk Microsoft MVP But won't having auto update/install enabled cause problems if they also have their AV's auto-scan enabled? Won't some programs not work properly after the download and installation? Alias Not that it matters much but, I've installed every update including SP1, except display drivers, while connected/online to Windows Updated and my AV running without a single problem. |
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SP2 - WHY?????
"Alias" wrote in message ... "Terrycymru" wrote On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:09:47 GMT, R. McCarty wrote: The other thing about SP2 is that a number of applications are going to need updates/patches for SP2 compatibility. Most if not all won't post those until the official release on Tuesday. Is there a list somewhere of applications which have already been identified as needing updates/patches for SP2 compatibility? TIA, Terry I would be curious to see that list, too. I am not going to install SP2 until I know my apps. will work. I am especially worried about WS_FTP 95 as I do a lot of web work. Alias If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? |
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I just tested Norton 2003. I use avg know anyway. Incognitus, Yes, you can leave your virus program when downloading. I usally disable my virus program after I unplug or disconnect my internet connnection after downloading service packs. Greg R Not that it matters much but, I've installed every update including SP1, except display drivers, while connected/online to Windows Updated and my AV running without a single problem. |
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I've always just clicked the install button at the update site and installed
while there with AV running. Now, if I used Norton I'd still be trying to uninstall it. "Greg R" wrote in message ... Alias I just tested Norton 2003. I use avg know anyway. Incognitus, Yes, you can leave your virus program when downloading. I usally disable my virus program after I unplug or disconnect my internet connnection after downloading service packs. Greg R Not that it matters much but, I've installed every update including SP1, except display drivers, while connected/online to Windows Updated and my AV running without a single problem. |
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"Johnny Lingo" wrote in message news:sxsRc.269290$XM6.17286@attbi_s53... "Alias" wrote in message ... "Terrycymru" wrote On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:09:47 GMT, R. McCarty wrote: The other thing about SP2 is that a number of applications are going to need updates/patches for SP2 compatibility. Most if not all won't post those until the official release on Tuesday. Is there a list somewhere of applications which have already been identified as needing updates/patches for SP2 compatibility? TIA, Terry I would be curious to see that list, too. I am not going to install SP2 until I know my apps. will work. I am especially worried about WS_FTP 95 as I do a lot of web work. Alias If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias |
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If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 |
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"RA" nomail@thisplace wrote If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable of making snide comments? Alias |
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"Alias" wrote in message ... "RA" nomail@thisplace wrote If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable of making snide comments? Alias The point I believe that RA was making is that Windows 95 is an old and antiquated OS that MS doesn't even support anymore. The world of technology has come a long way since then and people need to keep up. WS_FTP95 falls in the same realm. Keep up with technology, or you may get left behind. I once knew of a group that worked for a company that I worked for that had an application that worked with a very old versions of Oracle and DOS. Many years passed and they refused to upgrade their applications as technology advanced. It finally came to a point that it was almost impossible to migrate to a current version, and a large chunk of their data was lost. Bottom line: It should probably be time to move on. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/ |
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"Johnny Lingo" wrote "Alias" wrote in message ... "RA" nomail@thisplace wrote If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable of making snide comments? Alias The point I believe that RA was making is that Windows 95 is an old and antiquated OS that MS doesn't even support anymore. What's that got to do with WS_FTP? It works fine on my XP Pro now and worked fine on 95, 98, 98SE, W2k and Me. The world of technology has come a long way since then and people need to keep up. WS_FTP95 falls in the same realm. Keep up with technology, or you may get left behind. Key word: "may". Do you know??? I once knew of a group that worked for a company that I worked for that had an application that worked with a very old versions of Oracle and DOS. Many years passed and they refused to upgrade their applications as technology advanced. It finally came to a point that it was almost impossible to migrate to a current version, and a large chunk of their data was lost. Bottom line: It should probably be time to move on. Another key word: "probably". Do you know??? http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/ Um, the "pro" is not free. I don't see any free programs there, do you? The one I have is. Do you know the answer to my question or can you merely post an essay on computer technology that *doesn't* answer the question. A simple yes or no will do. I am not concerned about losing data as WS_FTP 95 only keeps my login and password, no other data. The data is both on my D drive and on my host server, and not kept by WS_FTP. Alias |
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WS_FTP95 LE
Yes, It works on 98se & windows xp sp2 rc2. I used to used this alot. That is until I heard about firefox. Ws_Ftp_pro is not free. Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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THANK YOU!
Alias "Greg R" wrote WS_FTP95 LE Yes, It works on 98se & windows xp sp2 rc2. I used to used this alot. That is until I heard about firefox. Ws_Ftp_pro is not free. Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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"Alias" wrote in message ... "Johnny Lingo" wrote "Alias" wrote in message ... "RA" nomail@thisplace wrote If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable of making snide comments? Alias The point I believe that RA was making is that Windows 95 is an old and antiquated OS that MS doesn't even support anymore. What's that got to do with WS_FTP? It works fine on my XP Pro now and worked fine on 95, 98, 98SE, W2k and Me. The world of technology has come a long way since then and people need to keep up. WS_FTP95 falls in the same realm. Keep up with technology, or you may get left behind. Key word: "may". Do you know??? In my opinion, YES you will be left behind at some point if you continue to hold on to antiquated technology. I once knew of a group that worked for a company that I worked for that had an application that worked with a very old versions of Oracle and DOS. Many years passed and they refused to upgrade their applications as technology advanced. It finally came to a point that it was almost impossible to migrate to a current version, and a large chunk of their data was lost. Bottom line: It should probably be time to move on. Another key word: "probably". Do you know??? Again, you insist on using only antiquated technology, and not move up from time to time, you will be left behind! http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/ Um, the "pro" is not free. I don't see any free programs there, do you? The one I have is. Do you know the answer to my question or can you merely post an essay on computer technology that *doesn't* answer the question. A simple yes or no will do. Things in this world cost. You should not expect everything to be free! I am not concerned about losing data as WS_FTP 95 only keeps my login and password, no other data. The data is both on my D drive and on my host server, and not kept by WS_FTP. Alias |
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"Johnny Lingo" wrote in message news:doNRc.118737$eM2.48262@attbi_s51... "Alias" wrote in message ... "Johnny Lingo" wrote "Alias" wrote in message ... "RA" nomail@thisplace wrote If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program? Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why learn a new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs? Alias That's what my sister says about Windows95 Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable of making snide comments? Alias The point I believe that RA was making is that Windows 95 is an old and antiquated OS that MS doesn't even support anymore. What's that got to do with WS_FTP? It works fine on my XP Pro now and worked fine on 95, 98, 98SE, W2k and Me. The world of technology has come a long way since then and people need to keep up. WS_FTP95 falls in the same realm. Keep up with technology, or you may get left behind. Key word: "may". Do you know??? In my opinion, YES you will be left behind at some point if you continue to hold on to antiquated technology. Apparently, it *isn't* antiquated, despite your guessing. I once knew of a group that worked for a company that I worked for that had an application that worked with a very old versions of Oracle and DOS. Many years passed and they refused to upgrade their applications as technology advanced. It finally came to a point that it was almost impossible to migrate to a current version, and a large chunk of their data was lost. Bottom line: It should probably be time to move on. Another key word: "probably". Do you know??? Again, you insist on using only antiquated technology, and not move up from time to time, you will be left behind! Apparently, it *isn't* antiquated, despite your guessing. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/ Um, the "pro" is not free. I don't see any free programs there, do you? The one I have is. Do you know the answer to my question or can you merely post an essay on computer technology that *doesn't* answer the question. A simple yes or no will do. Things in this world cost. You should not expect everything to be free! I don't. Are you saying that freeware is a bad thing? If so, when will you be removing your AdAware, Spybot, Spywareblaster, etc.? Do you plan to send MS a check for SP2 so that you can feel better about your "world"? Why couldn't you just answer the question? And, if you didn't know the answer, why did you respond to the post, other than using the opportunity to lamely try to put me down and expouse your thoughts on new technology and that a lot of things in this world are not free? Alias I am not concerned about losing data as WS_FTP 95 only keeps my login and password, no other data. The data is both on my D drive and on my host server, and not kept by WS_FTP. Alias |
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The link you posted includes a download link for SP2 for installation on
multiple computers over a network. It is a huge file -- 272 MB. The link says that users of a single computer should not install this version, but wait for a smaller download taylored for single computers. I have a single computer, but I also have a blazing fast broadband connection that can download this 272 MB file in minutes. Is the problem here merely the size of the download, or is the problem also the network components presumably included in this version? In other words, other than having to download a bigger file, what would be the downside for me of installing this version of SP2 on a single computer instead of waiting until August 16 or whatever? TIA Ken "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: I installed SP2 yesterday over an existing Windows XP SP1 installation. After performing a Disk Cleanup and Defrag, I must say this computer is performing better than ever. List of fixes included in Service Pack 2 for Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp The final version of SP2 is not yet available to the general public for download. It should appear as a Critical Update sometime around August 16th on the Windows Update website. Check this site next week for updates to it's availability: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../winxpsp2.mspx -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Be Smart! Protect your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "tony" wrote: | What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the hurry | about installing SP2? | Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as soon | as it is available as there | will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first month. | (A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!) | I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the | feedback is like in this and | other groups. | Good luck to all | Tony |
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