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  #31  
Old August 30th 04, 06:40 PM
Bob I
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Privacy advocates have already stomped that option into oblivion. You
really need to consider reality before suggesting things like that.

Don Taylor wrote:


Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause problems,


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  #32  
Old August 30th 04, 06:48 PM
Alias
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"Bob I" wrote

Privacy advocates have already stomped that option into oblivion. You
really need to consider reality before suggesting things like that.


Um, the PC World web site has a "take the XP readiness test" in their Tools.
I would seem to me that MS could have a "take the XP SP2 readiness test",
don't you?

You really need to consider reality before stating things like that.

Alias

Don Taylor wrote:


Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause

problems,



  #33  
Old August 30th 04, 08:35 PM
Tom Dacon
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OK, thanks.

Don't you just love thread drift? ;-)

Tom

"memawof4" wrote in message
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It is French Tom, well sort of. I called my grandmother Mimi but my first
Grandchild pronounced it Memaw and it stuck.

"Tom Dacon" wrote:

In what language or ethnic tradition?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon

"Cindy Winegarden" wrote in message
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Hi Tom,

"MeMaw" is a grandmother.

--
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www.cindywinegarden.com


"Tom Dacon" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 'memaw of 4'?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"memawof4" wrote in message
...
I am a memaw of 4.







  #34  
Old September 1st 04, 09:13 PM
DaveJunioR
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Hi!
First of all, i'm a hungarian 16-year-old boy, so please forgive me my
spelling mistakes.
Fortunately, I don't feel the same about Service Pack 2. :-)
I have some problems with integrated firewall too, and my updating system
always tells me to upgrade my antivirus program even if it's upgraded. (this
checking program doesn't able to analize the date of updating)
But fortunately, I don't find any other problem. And my antivirus program
runs as usable as always. Try the new Trend Micro Internet Security (ex
PC-Chillin) 2005 beta, it's working with SP2 perfectly.
And 1 more thing, if your computer doesn't want to be cool or usable with
SP2, then just uninstall it from "add/remove programs".

I hope You will find the way to get your windows works perfectly.
Dave


"Steve" wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


  #35  
Old September 2nd 04, 10:03 AM
Andrew
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

It is generally accepted by the average user that disabling AV in order to
install a program that may or may not contain a virus just means the techies
are techie by name but not by nature.....

"Mike H" wrote:

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote


I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before

I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has

no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get

the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows

what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.


I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was

written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.


The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias





  #36  
Old September 2nd 04, 06:03 PM
DaveJunioR
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Hi Joseph!
Please install SP2, because SP2 integral firewall much better, than ZoneAlarm.
It's not my opinion, it's a lot of people's opinion about this Zone Alarm.
Go to www.symantec.com with Internet Explorer, and click Products Home
products Norton Internet Security info Security Check.
And check your firewall's defence capability!
Zonealarm will make a lot of hole in your computer. And check with other
firewall or with SP2 integral firewall.
My advice is that you should use Trend Micro Internet Security 2004 or 2005
beta.

And please sorry for my english!
D.

"joseph" wrote:

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

  #37  
Old September 2nd 04, 09:52 PM
CS
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0700, "DaveJunioR"
wrote:

Absolute BS. The only holes are in your advice. The SP2 firewall
only protects incoming not outgoing requests.

Hi Joseph!
Please install SP2, because SP2 integral firewall much better, than ZoneAlarm.
It's not my opinion, it's a lot of people's opinion about this Zone Alarm.
Go to www.symantec.com with Internet Explorer, and click Products Home
products Norton Internet Security info Security Check.
And check your firewall's defence capability!
Zonealarm will make a lot of hole in your computer. And check with other
firewall or with SP2 integral firewall.
My advice is that you should use Trend Micro Internet Security 2004 or 2005
beta.

And please sorry for my english!
D.

"joseph" wrote:

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.


  #38  
Old September 2nd 04, 09:59 PM
David Candy
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

It's all it needs to do.=20

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.newmatilda.com/home/default.asp
"CS" wrote in message =
...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0700, "DaveJunioR"
wrote:
=20
Absolute BS. The only holes are in your advice. The SP2 firewall
only protects incoming not outgoing requests.
=20
Hi Joseph!
Please install SP2, because SP2 integral firewall much better, than =

ZoneAlarm.
It's not my opinion, it's a lot of people's opinion about this Zone =

Alarm.
Go to www.symantec.com with Internet Explorer, and click Products =

Home=20
products Norton Internet Security info Security Check.
And check your firewall's defence capability!
Zonealarm will make a lot of hole in your computer. And check with =

other=20
firewall or with SP2 integral firewall.
My advice is that you should use Trend Micro Internet Security 2004 =

or 2005=20
beta.

And please sorry for my english!
D.

"joseph" wrote:

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. =

Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.
=20


  #39  
Old September 3rd 04, 03:37 AM
Edd1em
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Your post sounds like "Everyone is crazy, I am the only sane one" type of
post. My company 350+ servers, computers, laptops, PDA's and smart phones has
installed SP2, with THREE problems, I repeat THREE problems. My school with
thousands of computers and hundreds of servers has installed SP2, although I
do not know how many problems they had.
You say you know about computers, you use McAfee, which just shows your
ignorance. OF COURSE SP2's antivirus and firewall are going to conflict with
McAfee becase it is designed with Norton. In any case your firewall is still
being shadowed by your router, which my need to be reset. In any case I
installed SP2 on all of my computers at home, as well as my friends and
relatives, and everyone loves the popup blocker.
So it is funny you are the first to complain, maybe reading the instructions
will help next time.
Duh.

"Steve" wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


  #40  
Old September 3rd 04, 10:27 AM
scottish_hans
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He in Scotland Maw is Mother

So Me Maw is My Mother

Drift...................

"Tom Dacon" wrote:

OK, thanks.

Don't you just love thread drift? ;-)

Tom

"memawof4" wrote in message
...
It is French Tom, well sort of. I called my grandmother Mimi but my first
Grandchild pronounced it Memaw and it stuck.

"Tom Dacon" wrote:

In what language or ethnic tradition?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon

"Cindy Winegarden" wrote in message
...
Hi Tom,

"MeMaw" is a grandmother.

--
Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
www.cindywinegarden.com


"Tom Dacon" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 'memaw of 4'?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"memawof4" wrote in message
...
I am a memaw of 4.








  #41  
Old September 3rd 04, 04:47 PM
John Bailey
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

If you had bothered to check the McAfee site, you would have found that they
are aware of this issue, and have posted instructions for fixing it. This
knowledge base article can be found at:
https://knowledgemap.nai.com/phpclient/viewKDoc.aspx?externalID=KB_KB37807&sessionID=Anon ymous|1189859261&sliceID=&docID=KC.KB_KB37807&url= kb/kb_kb37807.xml&dialogID=10017476&docType=DOC_Knowl edgeBase&iterationID=1&docName=Configuring%20the%2 0McAfee%20Common%20Management%20Agent%20to%20updat e%20on%20Microsoft%20Windows%20XPSP2

Expecting any company to automatically configure their software to work with
other software automatically is unrealistic, but it is generally a good idea
to check with the manufacturer of the software you are having the issue with
(in this case McAfee) for advise. If you had you would have found that the
fix takes about 2 minutes to implement and is much simpler than what you were
attempting.



"Steve" wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


  #42  
Old September 3rd 04, 07:04 PM
Taliesin
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

I'm running two Sony P4's with XP Professional on each... I do a lot of
database development with Access and Excel interfaces... and the upgrade to
SP2 went off without a hitch... the two machines are networked together and I
upgraded both of them at the same time... I'm also running Trendmicro
Internet Security on my main machine with my internet connection...
Everything is working just fine after the upgrade...

"Steve" wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


  #43  
Old September 3rd 04, 10:07 PM
Charlie
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David Candy wrote:

It's all it needs to do.


If only, Mr Candy, if only!


Charlie.

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  #44  
Old September 4th 04, 08:15 AM
Enkidu
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The average techie would assume (probably wrongly) that you had
already virus scanned the install package.

Cheers,

Cliff

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:03:05 -0700, Andrew
wrote:

It is generally accepted by the average user that disabling AV in order to
install a program that may or may not contain a virus just means the techies
are techie by name but not by nature.....

"Mike H" wrote:

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has
no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get
the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows
what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was
written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias






  #45  
Old September 4th 04, 08:46 AM
Enkidu
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Rubbish! If a user downloads an email with a virus then runs the
program with the virus, then he/she bypasses the firewall. If he then
connects to the Internet, his/her system will try to sned the virus to
others. A firewall that scans only incoming Internet connections only
does half the job.

That said, if you have a personal firewall AND good virus checking the
need for a two way firewall is reduced.

Cheers,

Cliff


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:59:48 +1000, "David Candy"
wrote:

It's all it needs to do.

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"CS" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0700, "DaveJunioR"
wrote:

Absolute BS. The only holes are in your advice. The SP2 firewall
only protects incoming not outgoing requests.


 




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