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  #16  
Old September 7th 04, 09:50 PM
Jim
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"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the only
one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of "procedures" that
needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given a tad more notice.
No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer geeks. We don't want
to know how our TV works either. We just want it to work!

" wrote:

JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but, had
you actually followed the instruction for installing sp2
you would not have this problem.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":

7. Perform a full backup of all your files.

and

9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in the
background that are not part of the OS)

so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to use
it.


PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they are
most likley GONE.

OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages Are
Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;313055

All the Best.

Ads
  #17  
Old September 7th 04, 10:05 PM
Jim
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Jon & Frank, I've been able to recover most stuff (except my address book).
THANKS!
"Frank Jelenko" wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.


The previous messages should be stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
user you are set up as]\Local Settings\Applications\Identities\[some long
alpha-numeric character string]\Microsoft\Outlook Express.
I'm guessing you will see at least two different long alpha-numeric
character strings. One is the new one you just set up, one is the one you
were using before.
You can import the messages via File, Import, Messages, [choose the version
of Outlook Express], browse to the location above.

Your Windows Address Book [WAB] is stored in C:\Documents and Settings\[the
user you are set up as]\Applications\Microsoft\Address Book. There should
be at least two WAB files - one new one and one from your previous config.

Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

Not sure about this one. I'd call you ISP/mail service provider. Even
though the problem may be with installing SP2, they should be able to
confirm you're set up right.


How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim





  #18  
Old September 7th 04, 10:07 PM
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I've got news for you Jim. I've had three updates that
have crashed my computer. (Though never a service pack.)

ALWAYS backup before installing ANYTHING. ALWAYS backup
anything important. These are the most basic rules of
using any computer. Not backing up is like not fastening
your seatbelt or jumping out of a plane without a
parachute.

Software goes wrong, disks crash, users make mistakes,
computers get stolen or hacked.

BACKUP ANYTHING IMPORTANT!!!!!!

don't want to know how our TV works either.


I'll bet you know that you shouldn't stick your tongue
inside it. Backing up your data is about the same as
that.

  #19  
Old September 7th 04, 10:07 PM
Barry Watzman
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In my opinion, SP2 is a great upgrade.

However, also in my opinion, Microsoft was too confident (incorrectly,
as it turned out) that virtually no users would have any major problems
with it.

In Microsoft's defense, the amount of testing that they did was
unprecedented, and I don't think that there is anything more that they
could have done to have made this release more "problem free". Part of
the "problem" is that the user base is not "techies", and doesn't even
know what a BIOS, Prescott or Firewall are, much less how to use any of
them.

The lesson here is that you just can't release an upgrade of this
magnitude which is going to be so problem free for everyone that you
should go out and tell the entire world to just turn on automatic
updates and get it automatically. Hopefully, this is a lesson that MS
has now leared as well.
  #20  
Old September 7th 04, 10:08 PM
jupiter is a man ^^^^^^^^^
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...s/kimball.mspx















-----Original Message-----
On what do you base this on:
"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here

by Xmas."
The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and

almost
without precedent other than these 2:
1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than

Windows SP-2.
2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court

settlement with Sun.
Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing

it to SP-1a.
NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous

fixes already
available.

Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely

wait forever
since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.

Instead research and prepare your computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Or you can wait forever...your choice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"M$" wrote in message
...
Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the

first release
on
anything!!!!

In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason

for doing
so. While
SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical

that it
cannot wait
a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of

good practices
and
common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in

protecting
your PC.
What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.?

No, the sky
is not
falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which

should be here
by Xmas.


"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people

are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people

(obviously
Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about

this, so far
no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were

gone. I
reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts,

etc, are gone.
Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to

recover some of
the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was

turned off.

Thanks - Jim






.

  #21  
Old September 7th 04, 10:09 PM
Jim
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To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this update
was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few weeks,
well, use your imagination!

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

Jim;

First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\

1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
important data prior to installation.

2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in this
newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.

In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.

Bobby

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim





  #22  
Old September 7th 04, 10:15 PM
Jon
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Excellent

[PS I think Frank meant here for the address book

C:\Documents and Settings\[Your username]\Application Data\Microsoft\Address
Book

Click on the .wab files]


"Jim" wrote in message
...
To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this update
was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few
weeks,
well, use your imagination!

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

Jim;

First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no responses;\

1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
important data prior to installation.

2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in
this
newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.

In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.

Bobby

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim







  #23  
Old September 7th 04, 10:33 PM
Jon
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NB Also the folders may be hidden on your system so you may need to

Open "My Computer"
Tools Internet Options View Check "Show hidden files and folders"
Uncheck "Hide protected

operating system files"
ok


Then try navigating to the folders as previously

May be able to retrieve a bit more this way

Jon



"Jon" wrote in message
...
Excellent

[PS I think Frank meant here for the address book

C:\Documents and Settings\[Your username]\Application
Data\Microsoft\Address Book

Click on the .wab files]


"Jim" wrote in message
...
To Jon & Frank......THANKS! To all who say we should've known this
update
was drastically different from the myriad of updates I get every few
weeks,
well, use your imagination!

"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

Jim;

First of all, there are 2 reasons that you have received no
responses;\

1. You failed to follow the installation instructions by not backing up
important data prior to installation.

2. The method used to recover Outlook Express files has been posted in
this
newsgroup several times. You merely need to search for it.

In addition, the problem you are having can be solved by using Google.
Had you "Googled" your problem, you would have had it fixed by now.

Bobby

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no
help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the
mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim









  #24  
Old September 7th 04, 10:50 PM
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The information I posted earlier was avaliable a month
before the service pack was released. (if not longer)

In reply to your wanting your TV to work

You don't have to know how to read to use a TV.








-----Original Message-----
"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the

time. this is the only
one that screwed up my system. If there were all types

of "procedures" that
needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have given

a tad more notice.
No offense, but we users don't have time to be computer

geeks. We don't want
to know how our TV works either. We just want it to

work!

" wrote:

JIM, I am sorry to here that you lost some email but,

had
you actually followed the instruction for installing

sp2
you would not have this problem.


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to: "Before You Download SP2":

7. Perform a full backup of all your files.

and

9. Close all open programs.(this includes Antivirus,
firewalls, messengers, any program that is running in

the
background that are not part of the OS)

so stop crying about the service pack and learn how to

use
it.


PS. if your DBX files are not on the drive then they

are
most likley GONE.

OLEXP: Mail Folders, Address Book, and E-mail Messages

Are
Missing After You Upgrade to Microsoft Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;313055

All the Best.

.

  #25  
Old September 7th 04, 11:22 PM
Miss Perspicacia Tick
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Jim wrote:
"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the
only one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of
"procedures" that needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have
given a tad more notice. No offense, but we users don't have time to
be computer geeks. We don't want to know how our TV works either.
We just want it to work!



And indeed it does. MS makes no allowance for PEBCAK errors. I backed up,
patched my software, updated drivers, defragged, scanned for viruses and
spy/malware and - guess what?! - zero problems.

If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail.

Funny that...

Another couple of points.

1) System Restore does *NOT* switch itself of. You must have turned it
off and forgotten to turn it back on.

2) System restore has no effect on personal files. It backs up and
restores system files only. Data files are *NOT* recorded. SR is *NOT* a
back up application and should not be treated as such. If you want to back
up your system (and I do weekly) then I suggest you purchase an imaging
application. Drive Image 7 was my application of choice but, when Symantec
bought PowerQuest they discontinued it. I have heard good things about Ghost
9, though I haven't used it myself.



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?



  #26  
Old September 7th 04, 11:29 PM
Rock
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Testy wrote:

Ahh a former military man, that explains a lot of his drivel.

Testy

"jupiter is a man ^^^^^^^^^" wrote in
message ...

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...s/kimball.mspx
















-----Original Message-----
On what do you base this on:
"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here


by Xmas."

The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and


almost

without precedent other than these 2:
1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than


Windows SP-2.

2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court


settlement with Sun.

Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing


it to SP-1a.

NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous


fixes already

available.

Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely


wait forever

since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.

Instead research and prepare your computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Or you can wait forever...your choice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"M$" wrote in message
...

Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the


first release

on
anything!!!!

In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason


for doing

so. While
SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical


that it

cannot wait
a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of


good practices

and
common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in


protecting

your PC.
What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.?


No, the sky

is not
falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which


should be here

by Xmas.


"Jim" wrote in message
...

How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people


are having

problems

with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people


(obviously

Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about


this, so far

no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were


gone. I

reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts,


etc, are gone.

Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to


recover some of

the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was


turned off.

Thanks - Jim





.




---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004


Fix your date and time.

  #27  
Old September 7th 04, 11:29 PM
M$
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I always get a kick out of people who make something like a SP their
religion. What religious fervor!

This is just to funny!!!! Everyone must install SP2 NOW!!!! or all you SP2
infidels will be shot!!!

Decreed by SP Osama

CNN is reporting that a sleeper cell has high jacked emails and is going to
crush them into Windows XP machines that do not have SP2 installed! Quick
install SP2! Dumb, too late! You have been terrorized! Too bad, you were
warned by the MS FBI but failed to take appropriate action.


Ha! Ha!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
On what do you base this on:
"SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here by Xmas."
The likelihood of that happening is almost nonexistent and almost
without precedent other than these 2:
1. A Service Pack for NT with far greater problems than Windows SP-2.
2. Windows XP SP-1a released as part of a court settlement with Sun.
Microsoft Virtual Machine was removed from SP-1 changing it to SP-1a.
NOTHING else was changed even though there were numerous fixes already
available.

Since SP-2 is 2, it is not the first release, SP-1 was.
If you wait for an update of SP-2, you will most likely wait forever
since the most likely event is SP-3 in a year or two.

Instead research and prepare your computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Or you can wait forever...your choice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"M$" wrote in message
...
Well that goes to show once again - NEVER INSTALL the first release
on
anything!!!!

In 13 years I have never seen or heard of a good reason for doing
so. While
SP2 may have some needed fixes, it is NEVER so critical that it
cannot wait
a while till the major bugs are worked out. A set of good practices
and
common sense will go farther then any SP ever will in protecting
your PC.
What are the folks doing that have W2k, Win98, Me, etc.? No, the sky
is not
falling! SP2a sound like a much better choice which should be here
by Xmas.


"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having

problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously
Microsoft
employees) say it so great.

Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far
no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I
reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone.
Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of
the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim








  #28  
Old September 7th 04, 11:41 PM
Jim
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" and "Anonimous"

Do you also overhaul your car's engine everytime you get a new tank of gas?
Geez, you computer people crack me up! I'm supposed to get 75 CD's and
backup my 60 gig HD, defrag, update all software, paint my house, resod my
lawn, etc, every time Microsoft sends an update? GET REAL!

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

Jim wrote:
"anonymous" I get asked to install updates all the time. this is the
only one that screwed up my system. If there were all types of
"procedures" that needed adhering to for SP2, Microsoft should have
given a tad more notice. No offense, but we users don't have time to
be computer geeks. We don't want to know how our TV works either.
We just want it to work!



And indeed it does. MS makes no allowance for PEBCAK errors. I backed up,
patched my software, updated drivers, defragged, scanned for viruses and
spy/malware and - guess what?! - zero problems.

If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail.

Funny that...

Another couple of points.

1) System Restore does *NOT* switch itself of. You must have turned it
off and forgotten to turn it back on.

2) System restore has no effect on personal files. It backs up and
restores system files only. Data files are *NOT* recorded. SR is *NOT* a
back up application and should not be treated as such. If you want to back
up your system (and I do weekly) then I suggest you purchase an imaging
application. Drive Image 7 was my application of choice but, when Symantec
bought PowerQuest they discontinued it. I have heard good things about Ghost
9, though I haven't used it myself.



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?




  #29  
Old September 7th 04, 11:53 PM
Stephen Harris
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"Jim" wrote in message
...
How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having
problems
with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft
employees) say it so great.


Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack.
Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without
having to be a techy.

Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder,
look it up on groups.google.com
type in keywords in the search window

Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages
reply by Steve Cochran
6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings:

See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm
http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free
OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip

- the full installation with all support files.

In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked.
It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases.

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055
http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2

Netscape changed the location of where email was stored
between version 6 and version 7, which was then not
automatically imported. Some people change the default
storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be
done manually. A minor inconvenience.

Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have
been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you
were told again to make a backup of important files. When
you run into a problem which could be corrected by having
a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a
problem because creating a backup was just too much for
you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this
responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft.
Computers were only invented about 55 years ago.
Software that runs on them will not approach perfection
for centuries to come. That is why you need backups.

You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose
to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to.
I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One
required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the
service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive.


Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help!

Here's my problem:

Installed service pack 2.

It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express."
The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured,
Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus,
now I'm not receiving any new mail.

How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail.
Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off.

Thanks - Jim


If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein,
you will find the solution to recover your files.


  #30  
Old September 8th 04, 12:05 AM
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-----Original Message-----
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" and "Anonimous"

Do you also overhaul your car's engine everytime you get
a new tank of gas?


No and I don't overhaul my computer when new electrons go
into it either. I do however, wear my seatbelt, keep my
tires properly inflated, keep my coolant and oil levels
appropriate, rotate my tires, check my transmission and
break fluid etc.

I also balance my checkbook, clean my gutters, dust, take
out the trash and backup my computer.

Geez, you computer people crack me up!


If your data isn't important then why did you complain
when you thought you had lost it?

If you want to treat your computer like a TV, go ahead.
But don't be surprised when your computer does as good a
job at saving your data as your TV does at saving your
shows.

75 CDs? You have that much email? Please at least drag
yourself into the 1990s and use DVDs. Consider backing
up to other disks as well. I can do a full image of my
system in under 30 minutes with no user interaction. (ie
I watch my TV while my computer backs itself up.)

 




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