All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,

Me thinks the girl doth protest too much?



A chapter out of a WS paly. This NG has everything. lol

SJ
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
.. .
Jim wrote:
Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),

I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and
many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make
stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about.

Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about -
it's about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case
you're too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his
files before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of
the user community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when
someone (OK several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding,
continued to deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such
as

"Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?"

and

"SP2 backed up my files before installing".

Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did
make something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails
for £100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left
over from selling your computer.

Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down.

*CLUNK*


*PLONK*

I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is
a famous saying that definitely applies to you: -

http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm

That just about sums you up nicely.

Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is
ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the
crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we
offered to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity).

picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet

*FLUSH*

--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

Let's see, overly expressed missed directed anger from sexual arousal
caused by intellectual stimulation.
Yep, she's in LOVVVVVVVE with you, Jim!

SJ
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
.. .
Jim wrote:
Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),

I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and
many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make
stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about.

Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about -
it's about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case
you're too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his
files before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of
the user community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when
someone (OK several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding,
continued to deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such
as

"Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?"

and

"SP2 backed up my files before installing".

Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did
make something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails
for £100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left
over from selling your computer.

Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down.

*CLUNK*


*PLONK*

I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is
a famous saying that definitely applies to you: -

http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm

That just about sums you up nicely.

Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is
ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the
crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we
offered to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity).

picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet

*FLUSH*

--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

"obsessed about this backup issue"?
Really?
You brought it up when you stated ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much
what SP2 did to me."
Or does "destroying data" mean something different to you than it does
to me?

Perhaps you need to read your earlier posts before responding to a
later post.

You should really go back to your job and drop any hobbies dealing
with technology.
Start paying those that can manage these tasks you find so difficult.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" wrote in message
...
You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you
think I'm
missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I
found
it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why
did this
upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up
to the
end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data
back?
That's a weird way of doing business.

It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched
through
some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2,
including
this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here!
Most people
just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only
seeing
the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and
downloaded
something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it
should've
performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't
perfom as
well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I
can't
imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them
it's
their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where
they do
business either!

I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post
answer the
question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved
from
people here.

bye

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did
to
me."
Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you
may
be taken seriously.
But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
change...another fact you have yet to learn.

You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by
your
on unjustified bias.

Step back a bit.
Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on
your
now clean computer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" wrote in message
...
Jup,

Main Entry: vi·rus
Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
Function: noun

4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
innocuous
program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into
other
programs
and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)

"(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.

No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

SlowJet wrote:
Let's see, overly expressed missed directed anger from sexual arousal
caused by intellectual stimulation.
Yep, she's in LOVVVVVVVE with you, Jim!

Oh yeah. "it's love, Jim, just not as we know it.." ;o) And don't quote
Shakespeare at me - read most of them for A-Level! ;o)



--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

Jim wrote:

To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where
did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.


This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect
you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

"Giga" wrote in message
...
Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
for
help and endured abuse. snip

Whoa. He got it, and chose to ignore it. He chose to not admit he had made
a mistake, and blamed MS for everything from his loss of emails because he
didn't back up to global warming. Although I stayed out of the
conversation, I saw a lot of patience and good advice offered, all of which
was rejected because Jim was in 'blame mode' and didn't want to hear it. He
pushed a lot of people beyond their frustration limit.




---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.755 / Virus Database: 505 - Release Date: 9/8/2004

Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?

You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
know..


"Giga" wrote in message
...
Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

Jim wrote:

To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where
did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.


This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect
you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

Jim wrote:

You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you think I'm
missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I found
it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why did this
upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up to the
end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data back?
That's a weird way of doing business.

It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched through
some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2, including
this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here! Most people
just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only seeing
the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and downloaded
something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it should've
performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't perfom as
well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I can't
imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them it's
their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where they do
business either!

I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post answer the
question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved from
people here.

bye

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:


Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to
me."
Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may
be taken seriously.
But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes.
Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault.
Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major
change...another fact you have yet to learn.

You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your
on unjustified bias.

Step back a bit.
Try a Clean Installation on your computer.
Then see how SP-2 installation goes.
You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your
now clean computer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Jim" wrote in message
...

Jup,

Main Entry: vi·rus
Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
Function: noun

4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly
innocuous
program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other
programs
and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)

"(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me.

No wonder you didn't want to give the definition.........

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:




You create and are responsible for your own grief.

Giga wrote:

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:


Jim wrote:


To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where

did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.



This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect

you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?





What HDD is not compatible with SP2?

Rock wrote:
Giga wrote:

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came
here for help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I
am computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a
secondary hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system
crashes. You want to know how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary
hard drive with the backups on it, and reinstalled Windows. How can
this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not compatible with SP2. I
have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and it does not
work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot access
my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it
(which it has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That
works, and the problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than
that, I have found SP2 to be reasonably good, with the expected
teething issues. Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is
nice, but what
makes you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to
read it will accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt
themselves? The doctors label is right in front of them and people
see it easily, but the web address does not search them down. MS
needs to be a little more proactive, one method would be to have a
prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious and do
research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer. One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know
a
fair bit about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there
to make him suspect that (without previous experience) when it says
backing up, it only means certain files and nothing important? That
is not a common sense issue. "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:


Jim wrote:


To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously
telling us - in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up
files' meant it was performing a full system backup?! It backs the
files that SP2 updates, nothing more. It takes about five minutes
(if that) to back up files - you seriously think that, in that
time, it backs up your entire hard drive in that time?! But, had
you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have known that.

The problem is, where

did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.



This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly
have neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail
to sustain a properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault
that you completely failed to perform a full system back up before
proceeding with such a major update?! No it is not. Stop blaming
Microsoft for your own stupidity! Your doctor does not expect

you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people
always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient
has the common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and
follow the instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the
common sense to perform a full system backup and cleanse their
systems; but, in case they don't, they put full instructions on
their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you. I'll
quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
viruses, hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up
Blocker for Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP
SP2 to prevent potential conflicts with other software on your
computer: 1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all
other critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
PlayStation. You don't have the mental capability - or the common
sense - to operate a computer. Or, if your computer is still under
warranty, suggest you package it back up and take it back to the
shop and tell them you're too stupid to own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he
eventually lose his marbles?





What HDD is not compatible with SP2?


Will you please learn to *SNIP* damnit?!
--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

Certainly. It is a Maxtor 20GB hard drive, I cannot remember the exact model
number. My Maxtor 40GB on the other hand works perfectly fine. I may come
back later with the exact model number if I can find it. When I got the
crashes, I heard the hard drive start to spin up just before it happened, and
it was not spinning before, so I suspect the error was caused by the fact
that the hard drive was too slow so Windows rejected it (this was recovering
from standby in this case). It also makes the computer take a LOT longer to
boot, it took "3 loading bars" to load past the boot screen, then I added the
HDD as a slave and it took "20 loading bars" with no other system changes.

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote:

Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?

You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
know..


"Giga" wrote in message
...
Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

Jim wrote:

To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where
did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.


This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect
you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?

See the reply to Edwards post, I don't know the model number at this time but
I should update later. It is a Maxtor 20GB drive.

"Rock" wrote:

Giga wrote:

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:


Jim wrote:


To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where

did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.



This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect

you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?





What HDD is not compatible with SP2?

Yes, he did get help, but he got a lot more abuse. By the way, telling him to
back up after the incident isn't really helping him solve the current
problem, it will only help prevent further losses down the track. The help he
did get (telling him what directory and files to look for) he did not ignore.

"Jone Doe" wrote:


"Giga" wrote in message
...
Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
for
help and endured abuse. snip

Whoa. He got it, and chose to ignore it. He chose to not admit he had made
a mistake, and blamed MS for everything from his loss of emails because he
didn't back up to global warming. Although I stayed out of the
conversation, I saw a lot of patience and good advice offered, all of which
was rejected because Jim was in 'blame mode' and didn't want to hear it. He
pushed a lot of people beyond their frustration limit.




---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.755 / Virus Database: 505 - Release Date: 9/8/2004

Giga,
Thanks for being about the only sensible one here. One poster said they
were assaulting me because I pushed them beyond their limits. The funny
thing is, I originally posted my problem, a couple people told me some things
to try, I came back and said thanks, that did it.
This thread would've ended in five posts. However, all these trolls came
here, and because they apparently had nothing positive to offer, decided to
use this as an opportunity to take out their chat room sexual frustrations
(or whatever they're suffering) on me, thus turning this into a 70+ post
thread debacle!

"Giga" wrote:

See the reply to Edwards post, I don't know the model number at this time but
I should update later. It is a Maxtor 20GB drive.

"Rock" wrote:

Giga wrote:

Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2, and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:


Jim wrote:


To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where

did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.



This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect

you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?





What HDD is not compatible with SP2?

Maxtor Model 32049H2 manufactured 3rd of May 2001. I noticed that there is no
jumper on the drive, and the label says when the jumer is "off" then it is
set to slave. I doubt that has anything to do with it, but I thought I would
add it anyway.

A picture of the label if you need more information is he
http://www.cbcnz.com/images/PICT0702.JPG

The drive seems to behave a little better now that I completely erased all
partitioning and remade one with SP2, but it still is not normal compared to
when SP1 was installed.

*Grumbles* Now I have to go put it back into the jigsaw-puzzle-like case...

"Giga" wrote:

Certainly. It is a Maxtor 20GB hard drive, I cannot remember the exact model
number. My Maxtor 40GB on the other hand works perfectly fine. I may come
back later with the exact model number if I can find it. When I got the
crashes, I heard the hard drive start to spin up just before it happened, and
it was not spinning before, so I suspect the error was caused by the fact
that the hard drive was too slow so Windows rejected it (this was recovering
from standby in this case). It also makes the computer take a LOT longer to
boot, it took "3 loading bars" to load past the boot screen, then I added the
HDD as a slave and it took "20 loading bars" with no other system changes.

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote:

Would you mind letting us know what "HDD is not compatible" with WINXP SP2?

You would be assisting many with that info as I am sure it is not common
knowledge that certain HDDs are not compatible with this MS Service Pack,
certainly Microsoft has not made any statement to that effect as far as I
know..


"Giga" wrote in message
...
Before I start, shame on all of you who have attacked Jim, he came here
for
help and endured abuse.

Give the man a break. SP2 is not perfect, and it is not his fault. I am
computer literate, and I keep my system clean and I back up to a secondary
hard drive. I installed SP2, and I had huge system crashes. You want to
know
how I fixed it? I unplugged my secondary hard drive with the backups on
it,
and reinstalled Windows. How can this be an end-users fault? The HDD was
not
compatible with SP2. I have tested the HDD in several computers with SP2,
and
it does not work. It still works on SP1 though. This means that I cannot
access my backups with SP2 installed unless I get another computer (which
I
did - not a new one I might add, I am not rich) and have SP1 on it (which
it
has) and network the two computers and share the HDD. That works, and the
problem was definitely caused by SP2. Other than that, I have found SP2 to
be
reasonably good, with the expected teething issues.

Also, putting instructions on the address you gave is nice, but what makes
you think that every computer illiterate person that needs to read it will
accidentally stumble accross it before they hurt themselves? The doctors
label is right in front of them and people see it easily, but the web
address
does not search them down. MS needs to be a little more proactive, one
method
would be to have a prompt on the SP2 installer to tell people to be
cautious
and do research before continuing. If that happened, Jim would have been a
lot safer.

One more thing, what makes you think he is stupid? He may know a fair bit
about computers, just not about MS's history. What is there to make him
suspect that (without previous experience) when it says backing up, it
only
means certain files and nothing important? That is not a common sense
issue.

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote:

Jim wrote:

To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"

If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen
that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups
(or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway.

You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling
us -
in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it
was
performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates,
nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files -
you
seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in
that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have
known that.

The problem is, where
did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them
and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them?

See above.


This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's!

And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have
neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain
a
properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely
failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a
major
update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity!

Your doctor does not expect
you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not
expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always
expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession?

Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the
common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the
instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to
perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they
don't, they put full instructions on their website here
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx,
specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you.

I'll quote the front page for you.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against
viruses,
hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center.


Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to
prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer:


1. Back up your critical files

2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software

3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's
manufacturer.

Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other
critical updates.


The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a
PlayStation.
You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a
computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you
package
it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid
to
own a computer.

You are a moron.


--
My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually
lose his marbles?