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  #46  
Old May 30th 05, 02:32 PM
lucyfer
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Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.
"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)"
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

No. There are no SP2 uninstall files with a preinstalled SP2
installation. An attempted Repair Install using a SP1 Windows XP CD
will fail because SP2 would have to be uninstalled first.

Hi,

Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will
actually remove SP2.

From
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

quote
Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
/quote


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  #47  
Old May 30th 05, 02:32 PM
David Candy
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Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you don't =
know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you threads =
by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee computer =
radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to conduct a =
strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people without =
swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter =
psychobabble.

FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.

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"Steve N." wrote in message =
nk.net...
Ted Zieglar wrote:
lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is =

consistently=20
right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've =

learned=20
a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more =

than=20
I can say for you.
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Ted Zieglar

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I admit it when I'm wrong. Carey never does, and he is NOT =

consistently=20
right on the money. He gives rote answers that often don't even apply =

to=20
the questions asked and he doesn't test or research things before=20
answering. I do test and research my answers and I've proven him wrong =


many times, as have others. Sure, he's right many times, and anyone is =


allowed to make mistakes, but he lacks the respect for people to =

follow=20
up or admit it when he's wrong and he refuses to learn anything from=20
anyone else. He diverts issues or merely repeats himself when=20
confronted, that is if he even bothers to reply at all.
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Steve
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"Steve N." wrote in message=20
nk.net...
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Stephen wrote:

Steve N. wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:


If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP =

SP1
CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently =

abort.


Now how can I put this mildly?...

I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a =

repair
install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the =

box is
now running XP Pro SP1.

You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and =

I've
proven you wrong once again.

You don't deserve the MVP title.

Steve



"Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts=20
right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes=20
can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" =

too=20
is a little harsh, at least in my opinion.


Hey Stephen,

I appreciate your reply and concern.

I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but =

over=20
in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud.

I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in =

the=20
past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is=20
negative and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other=20
regulars over there) to get him to either wake up and change his=20
crappy habits, or shut the hell up.

This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has =

publicly=20
corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting=20
bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know,=20
because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, =


effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he=20
still doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That =


proves to me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest =

of=20
us non-MVP regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't =

know=20
about you, but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who=20
habitually tells lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and=20
simple.

At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly =

by=20
accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no=20
concern for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to =

keep=20
his MVP title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles =


and propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised =

or=20
questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. =


Well guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling =

him=20
on it.

Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown.

Steve

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  #48  
Old May 30th 05, 02:52 PM
Steve N.
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".

A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the
Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed
version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.

I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM
Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer.
The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed.

With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist,
therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using
a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.


Are you really that dense? You've got to be lying about actually trying
it because I just did it yesterday and so did Torgeir. Clean install
from an XP Pro SP2 CD, then a repair install from an XP Pro SP1 CD. No
errors, period. Not even a re-activation required. The box is now
running XP Pro SP1.

Steve

  #49  
Old May 30th 05, 02:54 PM
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I can see why you are a "Self-anointed Moderator". Who else would?

Ted Zieglar

"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Ted Zieglar wrote:
lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently
right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've
learned a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is
more than I can say for you.


LOL! Then you are blind, deaf, and dumb, and I don't mean the latter as
in you are incapable of speaking.

Carey is the most consistently wrong regular, MVP or non-MVP, in XP-gen.
He often misreads post, so that what he copies and pastes often has
nothing to do with what the OP is asking.

And the only thing that is consistent about Carey is that he copies and
paste his answers. And if you didn't know how to copy and paste then
Carey would be an authority on that, and that only! Carey regurgitates
the answers of others, and hasn't shown that to me that he knows ANYTHING
about computing, other than copying and pasting, and how to use OE as a
newsreader, and I've reading his posts for at least the last 3 years.

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  #50  
Old May 30th 05, 02:59 PM
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lucyfer wrote:

"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote:

Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD
will actually remove SP2.

From
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

quote
Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
/quote


Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my
experience.

Hi,

Yes, I have tried it, and it works fine (read the rest of the posts
in this thread).

But note that you *must* boot on the WinXP SP1 CD, you can not insert
the WinXP SP1 CD on a running WinXP SP2 installation and select
"Install Windows XP", that will give you the error message "Setup
cannot continue because the version of Windows on your computer is
newer than the version on the CD."


--
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Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx
  #51  
Old May 30th 05, 03:02 PM
Steve N.
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David Candy wrote:

Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
psychobabble.

FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.



ROFLMAO! You're too much David!

Steve

  #52  
Old May 30th 05, 03:28 PM
kurttrail
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David Candy wrote:
Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
psychobabble.

FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.


Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-)

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  #53  
Old May 30th 05, 03:33 PM
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Ted Zieglar wrote:
I can see why you are a "Self-anointed Moderator". Who else would?


LOL! I have that in my sig to make fun of myself, so if you are gonna
try to make of me, why don't you try to think up something original.

I just love it when morons like you abandon everything in a thread to
come after me!

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  #54  
Old May 30th 05, 03:39 PM
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lucyfer wrote:
Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.


Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And
so did R. McCarty.

All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
matters of opinion, I respect them.

You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!

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  #55  
Old May 30th 05, 03:46 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

David Candy wrote:

Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
psychobabble.

FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.



Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-)


LOL!

Do you really think he needs any help with that?

Steve

  #56  
Old May 30th 05, 05:06 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

lucyfer wrote:

Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.



Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And
so did R. McCarty.


I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.

I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather
quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of
fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an
upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP
Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same.


All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
matters of opinion, I respect them.

You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!


This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up
sooner or later.

Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual.
If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring
around here.

Steve

  #57  
Old May 30th 05, 05:09 PM
Steve N.
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Steve N. wrote:

kurttrail wrote:

lucyfer wrote:

Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.




Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve.
And so did R. McCarty.



I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.


Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind.

Steve


I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather
quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of
fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an
upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP
Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same.


All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
matters of opinion, I respect them.

You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!


This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up
sooner or later.

Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual.
If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring
around here.

Steve


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Old May 30th 05, 06:15 PM
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Steve N. wrote:
Steve N. wrote:

kurttrail wrote:
Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve.
And so did R. McCarty.


I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.


Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind.


LOL! At least brain-farts don't smell. Just too bad they hardly ever
happen in private!

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Old May 30th 05, 06:41 PM
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Dilip wrote:
Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
altogether?

Yes.


Well yes, then, of course this would work.


Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work.

The problem might be
getting one of those disks from the manufacturer.


"Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?"

One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he was
asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1.



Ah, but in the reply to Jupiter's post, the OP says this
The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2.

So it's a pretty new piece, and he wouldn't have the SP1 SS disk...



There was never a
doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed
with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and
done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The
real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2
disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about. Has
anyone tried this?


I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an
OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply.



I realize that it may be off topic, but it is related; I hope you vouch for
it ;-) My point is that it will not be easy.


I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Nope.


No surprises there; we all know it 8-).


LOL! At least most of us know it.



No surprises there for any of the regulars, I'm sure. It seems to be
perfectly succinct that Carey's misinformed and ill-researched posts are,
and have been deleterious, not only to the OP, but also to the rest of the
group. Thanks to all who have posted their empirical data. Original posts
are greatly appreciated.


  #60  
Old May 30th 05, 11:41 PM
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Carey,
You're full of it, we do this every day with PC's that are delivered
with SP2 installed at the factory. We pop in the SP1 CD, do the repair
install, and install all hotfixes applying to SP1 except the SP2 update.
There are no "UNINSTALL" files as the CD's accompanying the PC's has SP2
slipstreamed in - that's why MS always says to reinstall "hotfixes" and
"service packs" as applicable after a "REPAIR" install - it brings the OS
back down to the baseline found on the CD and/or image.

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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
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Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will
take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".

A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If
the
Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a
slipstreamed
version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.

I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original
RTM
Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in
Windows Explorer.
The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with
SP2 slipstreamed.

With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not
exist,
therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install
using
a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.

--
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"R. McCarty" wrote:

| If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
| I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
| else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
| need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
| that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
| out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?



 




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