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David Candy wrote:
Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter psychobabble. FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips. Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-) -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Ted Zieglar wrote:
I can see why you are a "Self-anointed Moderator". Who else would? LOL! I have that in my sig to make fun of myself, so if you are gonna try to make of me, why don't you try to think up something original. I just love it when morons like you abandon everything in a thread to come after me! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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lucyfer wrote:
Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience. Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And so did R. McCarty. All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on matters of opinion, I respect them. You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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kurttrail wrote:
David Candy wrote: Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter psychobabble. FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips. Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-) LOL! Do you really think he needs any help with that? Steve |
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kurttrail wrote:
lucyfer wrote: Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience. Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And so did R. McCarty. I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it. I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same. All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on matters of opinion, I respect them. You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?! This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up sooner or later. Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual. If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring around here. Steve |
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Steve N. wrote:
kurttrail wrote: lucyfer wrote: Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience. Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And so did R. McCarty. I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it. Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind. Steve I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same. All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on matters of opinion, I respect them. You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?! This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up sooner or later. Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual. If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring around here. Steve |
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Steve N. wrote:
Steve N. wrote: kurttrail wrote: Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And so did R. McCarty. I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it. Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind. LOL! At least brain-farts don't smell. Just too bad they hardly ever happen in private! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
... Dilip wrote: Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? Yes. Well yes, then, of course this would work. Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work. The problem might be getting one of those disks from the manufacturer. "Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?" One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1. Ah, but in the reply to Jupiter's post, the OP says this The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2. So it's a pretty new piece, and he wouldn't have the SP1 SS disk... There was never a doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this? I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply. I realize that it may be off topic, but it is related; I hope you vouch for it ;-) My point is that it will not be easy. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Nope. No surprises there; we all know it 8-). LOL! At least most of us know it. No surprises there for any of the regulars, I'm sure. It seems to be perfectly succinct that Carey's misinformed and ill-researched posts are, and have been deleterious, not only to the OP, but also to the rest of the group. Thanks to all who have posted their empirical data. Original posts are greatly appreciated. |
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Carey,
You're full of it, we do this every day with PC's that are delivered with SP2 installed at the factory. We pop in the SP1 CD, do the repair install, and install all hotfixes applying to SP1 except the SP2 update. There are no "UNINSTALL" files as the CD's accompanying the PC's has SP2 slipstreamed in - that's why MS always says to reinstall "hotfixes" and "service packs" as applicable after a "REPAIR" install - it brings the OS back down to the baseline found on the CD and/or image. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your Service! http://www.google.com Google is your "Friend" "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?". A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled. I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer. The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist, therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "R. McCarty" wrote: | If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But | I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why | else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the | need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does | that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take | out all updates & patches released after that version disk ? |
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Maybe Steve N could be a little nicer, but Carey does have a habit of
spouting off about things he is totally incorrect about, and then trying to make the ones who are correcting him look foolish. I knew a guy in high-school like that one, after he got his butt kicked a few times in college, he quit doing it - strange how that works (not saying we should kick Carey's butt either), just Carey needs to focus more on "QUALITY" than "QUANTITY". -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your Service! http://www.google.com Google is your "Friend" "Stephen" wrote in message ... Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. |
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Star Fleet Admiral Q wrote:
Maybe Steve N could be a little nicer, but Carey does have a habit of spouting off about things he is totally incorrect about, and then trying to make the ones who are correcting him look foolish. I knew a guy in high-school like that one, after he got his butt kicked a few times in college, he quit doing it - strange how that works (not saying we should kick Carey's butt either), just Carey needs to focus more on "QUALITY" than "QUANTITY". Carey doesn't pay attention to "nice". But don't take my word for it, take his. -Steve Carey Frisch [MVP] Oct 10 2004, 3:59 pm Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:59:52 -0500 Local: Sun,Oct 10 2004 3:59 pm Subject: You give MVPs a bad name Steve wrote: " Look, Carey, I'm not really trying to attack you personally, but dog-gone it, you have got some really bad habits and I and others have tried in various ways to point them out to you. Are you really so dense and/or egotistical to summarily dismiss such criticisms without considering that some of them may actually have valid points that you might be able to learn something from and (heaven forbid!) actually IMPROVE your performance here? Come on! Nobody can possibly be that arrogantly egotistical to believe they are as perfect as you apparently believe yourself to be. No one is above reproach, not even you. I dare you to be honest .." My reply: Indeed, many of the criticisms of my contributions to the Microsoft newsgroups do not fall on deaf ears. I sometimes get a bit cranky, edgy, defensive, etc., put then I reflect back and do my best to make adjustments. And believe it or not, it was some of the harshest and/or sarcastic criticisms that made me take note! I am also a Taurus, and as a stubborn "bull", I'm a bit slow to readjust. Apparently, I was nominated twice for an MVP award a few years ago, but never got it. I made some significant adjustments and finally earned the award, but it took a lot of determined effort. Now that I have earned the award, it is incumbent upon me to become even more proficient and accurate with my posts, and to reflect a positive attitude toward Microsoft and Microsoft products (although I'm not at all pressured to do so). So, there you have it. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User |
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Dilip wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Dilip wrote: Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? Yes. Well yes, then, of course this would work. Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work. The problem might be getting one of those disks from the manufacturer. "Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?" One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1. Ah, but in the reply to Jupiter's post, the OP says this The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2. So it's a pretty new piece, and he wouldn't have the SP1 SS disk... And if you read futher in his reply to Juppy, it sounds like a work PC where they probably do have access to an earily XP install CD. "All pre-sp2 pcs work fine." There was never a doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this? I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply. I realize that it may be off topic, but it is related; I hope you vouch for it ;-) My point is that it will not be easy. And I definitely agree with your point, but I still doubt it is relevant to this particular situation. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Nope. No surprises there; we all know it 8-). LOL! At least most of us know it. No surprises there for any of the regulars, I'm sure. It seems to be perfectly succinct that Carey's misinformed and ill-researched posts are, and have been deleterious, not only to the OP, but also to the rest of the group. Thanks to all who have posted their empirical data. Original posts are greatly appreciated. Yep, they definitely are! Take care, Dilip! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond.
I do not respond to trolls. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steve N." wrote: | Steve N. wrote: | | kurttrail wrote: | | lucyfer wrote: | | Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience. | | | | Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. | And so did R. McCarty. | | | I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it. | | Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind. | | Steve | | | I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather | quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of | fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an | upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP | Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same. | | | All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and | are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on | matters of opinion, I respect them. | | You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?! | | | This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up | sooner or later. | | Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual. | If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring | around here. | | Steve |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond. He did and you repeated the same crap which was proven wrong by three other people, one another MVP. I do not respond to trolls. Excuse me? Are you calling me a troll now? Respond to the proof that you were wrong. Steve Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steve N." wrote: | Steve N. wrote: | | kurttrail wrote: | | lucyfer wrote: | | Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience. | | | | Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. | And so did R. McCarty. | | | I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it. | | Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind. | | Steve | | | I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather | quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of | fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an | upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP | Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same. | | | All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and | are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on | matters of opinion, I respect them. | | You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?! | | | This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up | sooner or later. | | Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual. | If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring | around here. | | Steve |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the original OP has a follow-up question, I will respond. I do not respond to trolls. What's you talkin' bout Willis? If you are calling Steve a troll, you just responded to him by saying you do not respond to trolls! If you are talkin' about me, you responded to me earlier in this thread, despite you telling me "Asta la Vista" months ago! This is the recent post in this thread where you responded to me: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...50a2c3206dfb66 And this is the post you promised that I was on your blocked senders list! http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...9c41ed96396dd0 So if you meant either Steve or Me, you just made a bigger fool of yourself than you already are! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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