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I have a lot of files that are in one folder and many subfolders on my
hard drive. The files are principally *.pdf, *.wpd, *.jpg and similar files. While the subfolders categorize the files, there are time when I am looking for a specific file. As an example, If I have a jpg image of a file that is a map that shows the location of a piece of property. I would like to tag the file with the name of the person who owned the file and the names of other people associated with the file. Information that would not be in the jpg file, and more information than can be put into the file name. Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. Then allow me to search on file names or on information contained in the summary. |
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In message , Keith Nuttle
writes Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. This sounds similar to the sort of thing I've been looking for for many years in order to manage masses of audio and video files that exist in multiple formats and state-of-editing versions. In spite of asking, admittedly for something free, I haven't actually found anything that works. Meanwhile I'm just entering data into a MySQL database in the hope that one day I'll find something to dump it into or to act as a decent front end. I've had a few goes at writing some front-end software myself, but always run into problems and out of time. Interestingly, a writer friend who has masses of research files and files of his output in different states (eg aimed at different publishing markets) and formats has a similar need. I think some of the broadcast automation systems have database driven formats that do something like this, but in a very limited way. In other words - sorry, I can't help. :-) -- Bill |
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On 11/27/14 9:19 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a lot of files that are in one folder and many subfolders on my hard drive. The files are principally *.pdf, *.wpd, *.jpg and similar files. While the subfolders categorize the files, there are time when I am looking for a specific file. As an example, If I have a jpg image of a file that is a map that shows the location of a piece of property. I would like to tag the file with the name of the person who owned the file and the names of other people associated with the file. Information that would not be in the jpg file, and more information than can be put into the file name. Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. Then allow me to search on file names or on information contained in the summary. Hi, Keith, Not enough information here for me to be sure, but I think I have a way to make libraries do this, or at least something similar. Provided the needs are relatively simple. I suspect most readers will tell you I'm out of my mind, but some simple testing some months ago at least proved the concept. If you don't want to divulge too many details, send email. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 11/27/2014 2:10 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Hi, Keith, Not enough information here for me to be sure, but I think I have a way to make libraries do this, or at least something similar. Provided the needs are relatively simple. I suspect most readers will tell you I'm out of my mind, but some simple testing some months ago at least proved the concept. If you don't want to divulge too many details, send email. :-) -- I am working on the history of my families. I currently have eight folders for my wife and my grandparents. Each of these folders have a folder for at least four married-in families. Each folder has four basic sub folders, Pictures, burials, documents, and census. Plus each folder will have additional sub folders as needed to organize the data. I currently have nearly 8GB data in nearly 6500 files and contained in nearly 250 individual folders. I will use this morning search as an example of the need. I had previously researched and saved the original plat map of Perrysburg Ohio with the lots of several families identified. It was saved in a folder where it logically should be saved from the point of view that I had been working. This morning I needed the map and was approaching it from a different angle that was outside of the original logic that it was filed. It took me about 15 minutes looking in many different folders trying to find the file. It would have been nice to been able to type in "William Nuttle lot" and find the Perrysburg Plat map that shows the location of William Nuttle's lot. When the file was displayed open it from the index system. |
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On 27/11/2014 16:19:22, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a lot of files that are in one folder and many subfolders on my hard drive. The files are principally *.pdf, *.wpd, *.jpg and similar files. While the subfolders categorize the files, there are time when I am looking for a specific file. As an example, If I have a jpg image of a file that is a map that shows the location of a piece of property. I would like to tag the file with the name of the person who owned the file and the names of other people associated with the file. Information that would not be in the jpg file, and more information than can be put into the file name. Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. Then allow me to search on file names or on information contained in the summary. have a look to see if this might help http://www.tagspaces.org/ -- mick |
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On 11/28/2014 8:23 AM, mick wrote:
On 27/11/2014 16:19:22, Keith Nuttle wrote: I have a lot of files that are in one folder and many subfolders on my hard drive. The files are principally *.pdf, *.wpd, *.jpg and similar files. While the subfolders categorize the files, there are time when I am looking for a specific file. As an example, If I have a jpg image of a file that is a map that shows the location of a piece of property. I would like to tag the file with the name of the person who owned the file and the names of other people associated with the file. Information that would not be in the jpg file, and more information than can be put into the file name. Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. Then allow me to search on file names or on information contained in the summary. have a look to see if this might help http://www.tagspaces.org/ Have you used the Tagspaces. If so you may be able to answer a question that was not clear on the website. From the information on the website, it appears you can define tags and then attach them to the files in the directory. I was looking for something with more free form tags. I could define a tag for each surname in the genealogy database, and then define a tag for common events like occupation, residence, wills, deeds, etc.. But I have over 500 surnames and nearly 1800 people in the database. Unless I am missing something I would end up with at least 500+ tags that I would have to maintain. As I said I was looking for something more searchable, as for one file the tagged information may be "locations of of the William and John homes in Perysburg". The sequentially next file may be "Deed for the sale of lot 51 in Perrysburg transferred from John Deceased to Thomas". The third file may be "John's Will where he leaves his properties to his 6 sons" (insert six names), Etc. |
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On 28/11/2014 14:25:25, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/28/2014 8:23 AM, mick wrote: On 27/11/2014 16:19:22, Keith Nuttle wrote: I have a lot of files that are in one folder and many subfolders on my hard drive. The files are principally *.pdf, *.wpd, *.jpg and similar files. While the subfolders categorize the files, there are time when I am looking for a specific file. As an example, If I have a jpg image of a file that is a map that shows the location of a piece of property. I would like to tag the file with the name of the person who owned the file and the names of other people associated with the file. Information that would not be in the jpg file, and more information than can be put into the file name. Is there a piece of software that will index the files in a folder and sub folders, and then allow the attachment of a summary of the information in the file. Then allow me to search on file names or on information contained in the summary. have a look to see if this might help http://www.tagspaces.org/ Have you used the Tagspaces. If so you may be able to answer a question that was not clear on the website. From the information on the website, it appears you can define tags and then attach them to the files in the directory. I was looking for something with more free form tags. I could define a tag for each surname in the genealogy database, and then define a tag for common events like occupation, residence, wills, deeds, etc.. But I have over 500 surnames and nearly 1800 people in the database. Unless I am missing something I would end up with at least 500+ tags that I would have to maintain. As I said I was looking for something more searchable, as for one file the tagged information may be "locations of of the William and John homes in Perysburg". The sequentially next file may be "Deed for the sale of lot 51 in Perrysburg transferred from John Deceased to Thomas". The third file may be "John's Will where he leaves his properties to his 6 sons" (insert six names), Etc. No I have not used Tagspaces. Perhaps you need to change to a different Genealogy software. Might be worthwhile asking on genealogy groups if a particular software will meet your needs better than the current one you use. -- mick |
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On 11/27/14 12:56 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/27/2014 2:10 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Hi, Keith, Not enough information here for me to be sure, but I think I have a way to make libraries do this, or at least something similar. Provided the needs are relatively simple. I suspect most readers will tell you I'm out of my mind, but some simple testing some months ago at least proved the concept. If you don't want to divulge too many details, send email. :-) -- I am working on the history of my families. I currently have eight folders for my wife and my grandparents. Each of these folders have a folder for at least four married-in families. Each folder has four basic sub folders, Pictures, burials, documents, and census. Plus each folder will have additional sub folders as needed to organize the data. I currently have nearly 8GB data in nearly 6500 files and contained in nearly 250 individual folders. I will use this morning search as an example of the need. I had previously researched and saved the original plat map of Perrysburg Ohio with the lots of several families identified. It was saved in a folder where it logically should be saved from the point of view that I had been working. This morning I needed the map and was approaching it from a different angle that was outside of the original logic that it was filed. It took me about 15 minutes looking in many different folders trying to find the file. It would have been nice to been able to type in "William Nuttle lot" and find the Perrysburg Plat map that shows the location of William Nuttle's lot. When the file was displayed open it from the index system. Before getting into libraries, would a genealogy program do what you want? I'm thinking of a standalone program like Family Tree Maker, which I think has evolved into Ancestry.com. I'm not into this, so have no idea as to the sophistication and abilities of these programs. ----------------------- You might be able to make (aka force) libraries do what you want. Caveat... The proof of concept testing I did was in Windows 7, I've not tested in Windows 8 yet. My project involves the history of the area, and to deduce the accuracy of old books (kind of Sherlock Holmes-ish LOL), newspaper articles, etc., you need to study old photos. Collecting the old photos is my starting point, and obviously there will be a huge variety of information you can glean. Which railroad is that? Which mine or mines in the background? Which town is that? Who is in the photo? And on and on. The problem with using a separate database type program is when you share the information, in this example a photo, with someone else, all that information in the database is not automatically included. You have to export the additional data, or the whole database to the other person or persons, and they have to be able to access it. Photos, and a lot of other file types, have metadata embedded into the file. There is one field that is essentially a comments section. Windows calls them tags, but it's a part of the EXIF data, and there's another term for the field that escapes me at the moment. You can find those tags using Photo Gallery/Photo Viewer/ whatever MS has called it in Windows 8. Or Irfanview, probably FastStone Image Viewer, and who knows how many others. View the file, add the information to the tags, save. FWIW, this step looks to be more easily done in OS X than in Windows. But that's another subject. G Once done, the photos go into custom libraries for a basic sort, or you can just search on the tags field. Custom libraries are the key here. And the way MS does libraries as the default, and the way I've seen everyone else explain them, won't work. An example: Let's take one of my photos. A group of mines in Someplaceville, mine owners, a train with locomotive, well known individuals, and who knows what else. Access the tags metadata field, and input the name of the mine(s), the individuals, name of the town, name of the railroad, whatever I think I may want to search on later. Do this for all the photos I have. Eventually expanding this to text quotes and other reference materials. Now you need to sort/index by the information in the tags. And you want multiple groupings, one for mines, one for towns, one for railroads, one for whatever. The old way you would make copies of the files, and group them on the hard drive. You could end up with 15 copies of the same photo! And if you clean up one, you have to clean up all or replace all of them. If you're like me, you already have some sort of organization on your hard drive. So I'll likely have photos with mines in them spread across multiple directories. But my goal is to have a library with just photos showing mines, another for railroads, etc. But that can't be done when the photos are spread across directories that have photos that do not include mines. That's due to the fact you cannot selectively add files from a directory to a library, you have to include everything in the directory. I'll create custom libraries. Let's say a library for mines, a library for railroads, depots, individuals, towns, whatever I want to sort on. Next, somewhere on your data drive, create a folder for each library you just created. Start filtering your files in whatever manner you wish, in my case I'll look for all files that have mines in the tags. Create a shortcut for each of those files, and move the shortcuts to the mines folder. Open the mines library, and add just the mines folder with the shortcuts. Now, you'll have all photos that have mines in the tags, even though the actual files are spread across multiple directories, and you'll have selectively displayed only the files you want from any directory. Probably sounds like a lot more work than I think it will be. G Hope all of that makes sense, ask for clarification if needed. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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In message , Ken Springer
writes The problem with using a separate database type program is when you share the information, in this example a photo, with someone else, all that information in the database is not automatically included. You have to export the additional data, or the whole database to the other person or persons, and they have to be able to access it. I am not sure that this is correct from my, music based, point of view. (I am a bit worried that it might look as if I'm trying to hijack the thread, but hope I'm adding to the discussion in a vaguely useful way). The music I need to have organised is mainly things I have recorded. They exist in computer form as wave files (which include metadata), mp3's, mp2's and some other formats, a few with video. I've also got stuff that has yet to be 'computerised'. This is on reel to reel, cassette, DAT and various other formats, some in pre-mixdown state. I'm basically trying to work through everything to put it into CD-sized chunks which can be stored on CD's and on backed-up PC's. The wav metadata is not consistent, as it evolved over the years, and the information about the musicians is vague and inconsistent. I'm trying to do this mainly for my own interest, but occasionally I get sudden requests for audio from a radio station, usually on the death of some local musical personality. What I was really hoping would be possible was to create directories of the finished PC audio and gradually gather together a database listing the address of the audio, metadata about dates, performers, where recorded, copyright etc., and also physical info about where the audio or video came from and still exists ( eg DAT 376, Reel 1000 etc. or a reference to who has the original tapes). As I say, I've been putting this into a MySQL database. I had hoped that this could be accessed via something like Open Office, which might then be able to pull out standard sets of info for display or put into, say, pdf form. If a local musician dies and I get a call, it has been a nightmare trying to remember what he or she has recorded, so it would be good to be able to pull together a CD of audio and a nice printed info sheet overnight. It's the front end that has always been the problem. I start, hit one problem after another and always end up thinking I'll come back to it later, by which time I can't remember exactly what I was doing or where I got up to. About 10 years ago, the local university offered evening classes in MySQL and I applied to join every year for three years. Each time the course was cancelled for lack of interest and then they gave up. -- Bill |
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On 11/29/2014 8:10 AM, Bill wrote:
In message , Ken Springer writes The problem with using a separate database type program is when you share the information, in this example a photo, with someone else, all that information in the database is not automatically included. You have to export the additional data, or the whole database to the other person or persons, and they have to be able to access it. I am not sure that this is correct from my, music based, point of view. (I am a bit worried that it might look as if I'm trying to hijack the thread, but hope I'm adding to the discussion in a vaguely useful way). The music I need to have organised is mainly things I have recorded. They exist in computer form as wave files (which include metadata), mp3's, mp2's and some other formats, a few with video. I've also got stuff that has yet to be 'computerised'. This is on reel to reel, cassette, DAT and various other formats, some in pre-mixdown state. I'm basically trying to work through everything to put it into CD-sized chunks which can be stored on CD's and on backed-up PC's. The wav metadata is not consistent, as it evolved over the years, and the information about the musicians is vague and inconsistent. I'm trying to do this mainly for my own interest, but occasionally I get sudden requests for audio from a radio station, usually on the death of some local musical personality. What I was really hoping would be possible was to create directories of the finished PC audio and gradually gather together a database listing the address of the audio, metadata about dates, performers, where recorded, copyright etc., and also physical info about where the audio or video came from and still exists ( eg DAT 376, Reel 1000 etc. or a reference to who has the original tapes). As I say, I've been putting this into a MySQL database. I had hoped that this could be accessed via something like Open Office, which might then be able to pull out standard sets of info for display or put into, say, pdf form. If a local musician dies and I get a call, it has been a nightmare trying to remember what he or she has recorded, so it would be good to be able to pull together a CD of audio and a nice printed info sheet overnight. It's the front end that has always been the problem. I start, hit one problem after another and always end up thinking I'll come back to it later, by which time I can't remember exactly what I was doing or where I got up to. About 10 years ago, the local university offered evening classes in MySQL and I applied to join every year for three years. Each time the course was cancelled for lack of interest and then they gave up. OP While the music is not genealogy, it sounds like you are looking for a system for your music files as I am looking for my genealogical data. A system that lets you add a summary of the information in the file, and then being able to search the summaries to find the file you are looking for. |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/29/2014 8:10 AM, Bill wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes The problem with using a separate database type program is when you share the information, in this example a photo, with someone else, all that information in the database is not automatically included. You have to export the additional data, or the whole database to the other person or persons, and they have to be able to access it. I am not sure that this is correct from my, music based, point of view. (I am a bit worried that it might look as if I'm trying to hijack the thread, but hope I'm adding to the discussion in a vaguely useful way). The music I need to have organised is mainly things I have recorded. They exist in computer form as wave files (which include metadata), mp3's, mp2's and some other formats, a few with video. I've also got stuff that has yet to be 'computerised'. This is on reel to reel, cassette, DAT and various other formats, some in pre-mixdown state. I'm basically trying to work through everything to put it into CD-sized chunks which can be stored on CD's and on backed-up PC's. The wav metadata is not consistent, as it evolved over the years, and the information about the musicians is vague and inconsistent. I'm trying to do this mainly for my own interest, but occasionally I get sudden requests for audio from a radio station, usually on the death of some local musical personality. What I was really hoping would be possible was to create directories of the finished PC audio and gradually gather together a database listing the address of the audio, metadata about dates, performers, where recorded, copyright etc., and also physical info about where the audio or video came from and still exists ( eg DAT 376, Reel 1000 etc. or a reference to who has the original tapes). As I say, I've been putting this into a MySQL database. I had hoped that this could be accessed via something like Open Office, which might then be able to pull out standard sets of info for display or put into, say, pdf form. If a local musician dies and I get a call, it has been a nightmare trying to remember what he or she has recorded, so it would be good to be able to pull together a CD of audio and a nice printed info sheet overnight. It's the front end that has always been the problem. I start, hit one problem after another and always end up thinking I'll come back to it later, by which time I can't remember exactly what I was doing or where I got up to. About 10 years ago, the local university offered evening classes in MySQL and I applied to join every year for three years. Each time the course was cancelled for lack of interest and then they gave up. OP While the music is not genealogy, it sounds like you are looking for a system for your music files as I am looking for my genealogical data. A system that lets you add a summary of the information in the file, and then being able to search the summaries to find the file you are looking for. Both of you are looking in the right place, since this is exactly the kind of structure that a well-designed database app can handle. It's that "free" thing that might keep you both from your goal. Bill; add up the time you spent trying to get MySQL set up to your needs, multiply by minimum wage, and ask yourself whether you'd pay that much for something that can be used to log your music "right out of the box"? Keith; I still don't understand why apps like Family Tree Maker are inadequate for your needs. My wife has been using it for over a decade to do pretty much what you've described, and more. It's pretty cheap, IMO. -- best regards, Neil |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:10:13 +0000, Bill wrote:
About 10 years ago, the local university offered evening classes in MySQL and I applied to join every year for three years. Each time the course was cancelled for lack of interest and then they gave up. You might be ahead of the game. I took such a course from a nearby Junior College. It was very badly taught, so whatever I learned was from reading the (not very good) textbook and by experimentation following that. It turned out that what I mostly learned (and this is not meant to be humor) is that database stuff is very difficult. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if there is a good guide book to SQL programming, it might work better than a course. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if there is a good guide book to SQL programming, it might work better than a course. I have some SQL books, so you might have inspired me to have another go at this, but starting from the SQL end rather than the gui end. My history with databases is dreadful. I started with flat databases that worked OK, then I got the company I worked for to order me a copy of DBase2, but they were too clever and so DBase4 arrived. I used it, but kept hitting problems Then I moved to Access, which worked OK till I tried to access it via VC++, which insisted on a later format that broke everything. So I repaired the Access database, but for newer stuff moved to Borland C++ Builder and MySQL, but never got them to mesh enough to do anything useful. That's when I started the main music database concept. Then my valid registration for C++ Builder got royally screwed because Borland disappeared and my upgrade registrations stopped working. I can still use Builder but only by loading an image of a dead laptop into a virtual machine. This has led me to the current position where I try to use as much free and open stuff as possible, but on Windows machines to keep it in the mainstream. Oh and my much earlier expedition into C++ was with a paid-for Symantec C++. It was only much later that I discovered that others had found it was broken, too, so it wasn't just me being stupid. The C++ element is mainly because I have routines in that to pull and push metadata to files, and it seemed sensible to try to assemble just one program to do all this. Neil: If there is a paid for program that is flexible enough to do what I want, I haven't found it yet. I do some assisting at a small business that uses locally written paid-for CRM software. It stops working every time Windows, their anti-virus or Office (which does the letters) changes and the original company has disappeared. It took me a long time to track down the person from that company who actually wrote the software. I opted out and got the business to deal directly with him. Anyway, I'll go and look on the bookshelf. -- Bill |
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On 11/30/2014 1:22 PM, Bill wrote:
Neil: If there is a paid for program that is flexible enough to do what I want, I haven't found it yet. I do some assisting at a small business that uses locally written paid-for CRM software. It stops working every time Windows, their anti-virus or Office (which does the letters) changes and the original company has disappeared. It took me a long time to track down the person from that company who actually wrote the software. I opted out and got the business to deal directly with him. Unlike Gene's situation, I doubt that there is an off-the shelf product that will meet all of your needs because they're rather unusual outside of a professional setting such as radio stations or music warehouses. However, from what you've written, it doesn't sound all that complex, and perhaps you could just use some help from someone who knows relational database design. I don't really think that the database engine is as critical as the overall design in your case. Even Access should be capable of handling your project unless you plan to have a few million records in one or more of the data tables. I'd probably go with MS-SQL, given the gyrations that MySQL has been undergoing for the last few years. It's strongest attraction is its price, IMO. -- best regards, Neil |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:22:06 +0000, Bill wrote:
In message , Gene E. Bloch writes Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if there is a good guide book to SQL programming, it might work better than a course. I have some SQL books, so you might have inspired me to have another go at this, but starting from the SQL end rather than the gui end. My history with databases is dreadful. I started with flat databases that worked OK, then I got the company I worked for to order me a copy of DBase2, but they were too clever and so DBase4 arrived. I used it, but kept hitting problems Then I moved to Access, which worked OK till I tried to access it via VC++, which insisted on a later format that broke everything. So I repaired the Access database, but for newer stuff moved to Borland C++ Builder and MySQL, but never got them to mesh enough to do anything useful. That's when I started the main music database concept. Then my valid registration for C++ Builder got royally screwed because Borland disappeared and my upgrade registrations stopped working. I can still use Builder but only by loading an image of a dead laptop into a virtual machine. This has led me to the current position where I try to use as much free and open stuff as possible, but on Windows machines to keep it in the mainstream. Oh and my much earlier expedition into C++ was with a paid-for Symantec C++. It was only much later that I discovered that others had found it was broken, too, so it wasn't just me being stupid. The C++ element is mainly because I have routines in that to pull and push metadata to files, and it seemed sensible to try to assemble just one program to do all this. Neil: If there is a paid for program that is flexible enough to do what I want, I haven't found it yet. I do some assisting at a small business that uses locally written paid-for CRM software. It stops working every time Windows, their anti-virus or Office (which does the letters) changes and the original company has disappeared. It took me a long time to track down the person from that company who actually wrote the software. I opted out and got the business to deal directly with him. Anyway, I'll go and look on the bookshelf. I keep thinking that just for some intellectual fun I might play with relational databases via SQL or dBase (I have Office 2003 :-) ), but you're not doing much to encourage me :-) I wouldn't be trying to access stuff from a program, so your compatibility problems wouldn't be an issue for me. But suddenly, as I was composing this reply I got this thought: is there a Java interface into SQL or other data base stuff? I have no idea, but if there is and it works, then the price is probably right. I don't find Java (or Android) programming especially easy compared to C or VB, but at least it is doable. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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