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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv" wrote: Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin your wheels. My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the problem. It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower. You better use linux. Never had these problems with Debian. |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
S??hw0?ƒ wrote:
Just saying even after 4.5 years of operation (with SP3), I was operating faster and with fewer problems, than after a clean install. (and all drivers have been installed). Check out BlackVipers website and turn off all the unnecessary services. The list is pretty comprehensive. I have see BLackvipers site, there's another I use and used to link to http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp It's changed, not as informative, and a log-in site now as well. BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. It's either enabled (auto) or disabled, manual is a disable switch on my system before the clean install and after - Try this on the spooler service. Oh ya, I'm very fimilar with which services don't need to be running. One of the very first things I do after an install of XP is to disable the Themes service, I get an automatic CPU increase (it's claimed 1/3 of the CPU cycles are used by the themes service (no reference)); DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. I have the Automatic updates service disabled, and I'm getting automatic update install request, (latest install), I've never had the WGA service installed on any OS, it's sure trying to get in now. Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I'm going back to zone alarm 5.5.094. -- During the equinox, the sunlight casts long shadows across Saturn's rings, highlighting previously known phenomena and revealing a few never-before seen images. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...t_equinox.html |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
S??hw0?ƒ wrote:
Just saying even after 4.5 years of operation (with SP3), I was operating faster and with fewer problems, than after a clean install. (and all drivers have been installed). Check out BlackVipers website and turn off all the unnecessary services. The list is pretty comprehensive. I have see BLackvipers site, there's another I use and used to link to http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp It's changed, not as informative, and a log-in site now as well. BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. It's either enabled (auto) or disabled, manual is a disable switch on my system before the clean install and after - Try this on the spooler service. Oh ya, I'm very fimilar with which services don't need to be running. One of the very first things I do after an install of XP is to disable the Themes service, I get an automatic CPU increase (it's claimed 1/3 of the CPU cycles are used by the themes service (no reference)); DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. I have the Automatic updates service disabled, and I'm getting automatic update install request, (latest install), I've never had the WGA service installed on any OS, it's sure trying to get in now. Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I'm going back to zone alarm 5.5.094. -- During the equinox, the sunlight casts long shadows across Saturn's rings, highlighting previously known phenomena and revealing a few never-before seen images. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...t_equinox.html |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
I would suggest checking to see if harddrive access is still running in
DMA mode. (Device manager, IDE controller, R-click on Primary Channel, select Properties, then Advanced setting) Is it running DMA or POI? Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
I would suggest checking to see if harddrive access is still running in
DMA mode. (Device manager, IDE controller, R-click on Primary Channel, select Properties, then Advanced setting) Is it running DMA or POI? Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
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: S??hw0?ƒ wrote: Just saying even after 4.5 years of operation (with SP3), I was operating faster and with fewer problems, than after a clean install. (and all drivers have been installed). Check out BlackVipers website and turn off all the unnecessary services. The list is pretty comprehensive. I have see BLackvipers site, there's another I use and used to link to http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp It's changed, not as informative, and a log-in site now as well. Try "BugMeNot"? to seeif theres been a login created for it? BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. You'll notice some lost funtionality and then yu get to play "guess whats necessary". It's either enabled (auto) or disabled, manual is a disable switch on my system before the clean install and after - Try this on the spooler service. Print spoolers safe to leave to auto. Oh ya, I'm very fimilar with which services don't need to be running. ^_^ One of the very first things I do after an install of XP is to disable the Themes service, I likes it pretty though... I get an automatic CPU increase (it's claimed 1/3 of the CPU cycles are used by the themes service (no reference)); DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. Hosts can slow down loading of pages in FF. I'd rather go with NoScript. I have the Automatic updates service disabled, and I'm getting automatic update install request, (latest install), I've never had the WGA service installed on any OS, it's sure trying to get in now. Thats easily killed from the services snap-in. Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I dont use that one Prolly a way to blacklst what you want tho... I'm going back to zone alarm 5.5.094. Heh. |
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"§nühw¤£f" wrote:
BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. You'll notice some lost funtionality and then yu get to play "guess whats necessary". I don't just turn them off, I know what they do, or will google them first. DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. Hosts can slow down loading of pages in FF. I'd rather go with NoScript. That's why you disable the DNS service. "Editors Note: in most cases a large HOSTS file (over 135 kb) tends to slow down the machine. This only occurs in W2000/XP/Vista. Windows 98 and ME are not affected." (then goes on to explain how to disable the DNS service) http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I dont use that one Prolly a way to blacklst what you want tho... Avast or Comodo? I just deleted both and installed Nod32 and Zonealarm Avast kept asking if it was ok to delete files, this even when emptying the recycle bin. I'd turn it off but it would be the antivirus program I disabled. just too confusing. and my Boot.ini file changed and avast didn't say a word. -- During the equinox, the sunlight casts long shadows across Saturn's rings, highlighting previously known phenomena and revealing a few never-before seen images. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...t_equinox.html |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
"§nühw¤£f" wrote:
BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. You'll notice some lost funtionality and then yu get to play "guess whats necessary". I don't just turn them off, I know what they do, or will google them first. DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. Hosts can slow down loading of pages in FF. I'd rather go with NoScript. That's why you disable the DNS service. "Editors Note: in most cases a large HOSTS file (over 135 kb) tends to slow down the machine. This only occurs in W2000/XP/Vista. Windows 98 and ME are not affected." (then goes on to explain how to disable the DNS service) http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I dont use that one Prolly a way to blacklst what you want tho... Avast or Comodo? I just deleted both and installed Nod32 and Zonealarm Avast kept asking if it was ok to delete files, this even when emptying the recycle bin. I'd turn it off but it would be the antivirus program I disabled. just too confusing. and my Boot.ini file changed and avast didn't say a word. -- During the equinox, the sunlight casts long shadows across Saturn's rings, highlighting previously known phenomena and revealing a few never-before seen images. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...t_equinox.html |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
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"§nühw¤£f" wrote: BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. You'll notice some lost funtionality and then yu get to play "guess whats necessary". I don't just turn them off, I know what they do, or will google them first. Yer not very adventurous then DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. Hosts can slow down loading of pages in FF. I'd rather go with NoScript. That's why you disable the DNS service. "Editors Note: in most cases a large HOSTS file (over 135 kb) tends to slow down the machine. This only occurs in W2000/XP/Vista. Windows 98 and ME are not affected." (then goes on to explain how to disable the DNS service) http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Yeah after I read that I figured there were other ways to do things. Maybe after Ive broken this install I'll try the hoasts fiel. Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I dont use that one Prolly a way to blacklst what you want tho... Avast or Comodo? I just deleted both and installed Nod32 and Zonealarm Well there you go Avast kept asking if it was ok to delete files, this even when emptying the recycle bin. I'd turn it off but it would be the antivirus program I disabled. just too confusing. and my Boot.ini file changed and avast didn't say a word. CCleaner wouldnt fix that? Hmmm... -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S39MhPrLQz4 www.snuhwolf.9f.com | http://www.pavlovianobeisance.com/ _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____ / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\ _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\ /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\ _..._ ___ ___ ___ ___ _..._ ,' `::. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,' `::. : `::: `:: `:: `:: `:: `::: : .::: .:: .:: .:: .:: .::: : .:::`. .;' `. .;' `. .;'.`. .;': .::: : .::: `.' .`.'.: `.' ::`.' :. .::: :. .::' ::: : `: .::: `: .:: : : .::' : .:: . :. .:: : ::' `: .::. .\ `: ,: :. : .::.: :.\ :. :.: :`: .' .::.: ::`. : :':: : `: : .;'.: : `.; :'.:: : :: ;:' :: . :' .::. .: .:: : : :' ::: :' .:: . : `:: : .:: :' .::. .: .::: : .::: ,:. .:. :' .::: : .:::,' `:. ,' `:.: .::: : .::: ::: ::: .::: : .::: ::: ::: .::: `._ .::'.`._.::' `._.::'.`._ .::' _ Seal _ ~~~ :: :: ~~~ |
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"§nühw¤£f" wrote: BlackViper says to turn a service to manual, if it's needed it will start, not for me. You'll notice some lost funtionality and then yu get to play "guess whats necessary". I don't just turn them off, I know what they do, or will google them first. Yer not very adventurous then DNS client service cause I have a large HOSTS file, and quite a few other services. Hosts can slow down loading of pages in FF. I'd rather go with NoScript. That's why you disable the DNS service. "Editors Note: in most cases a large HOSTS file (over 135 kb) tends to slow down the machine. This only occurs in W2000/XP/Vista. Windows 98 and ME are not affected." (then goes on to explain how to disable the DNS service) http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm Yeah after I read that I figured there were other ways to do things. Maybe after Ive broken this install I'll try the hoasts fiel. Avast warns me when the update file is uploaded to my temp directory (I don't have activeX installed) and I delete it. (Comodo firewall won't stop microsoft incoming (built in trusted site?). I dont use that one Prolly a way to blacklst what you want tho... Avast or Comodo? I just deleted both and installed Nod32 and Zonealarm Well there you go Avast kept asking if it was ok to delete files, this even when emptying the recycle bin. I'd turn it off but it would be the antivirus program I disabled. just too confusing. and my Boot.ini file changed and avast didn't say a word. CCleaner wouldnt fix that? Hmmm... -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S39MhPrLQz4 www.snuhwolf.9f.com | http://www.pavlovianobeisance.com/ _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____ / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\ _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\ /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\ _..._ ___ ___ ___ ___ _..._ ,' `::. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,~ `:. ,' `::. : `::: `:: `:: `:: `:: `::: : .::: .:: .:: .:: .:: .::: : .:::`. .;' `. .;' `. .;'.`. .;': .::: : .::: `.' .`.'.: `.' ::`.' :. .::: :. .::' ::: : `: .::: `: .:: : : .::' : .:: . :. .:: : ::' `: .::. .\ `: ,: :. : .::.: :.\ :. :.: :`: .' .::.: ::`. : :':: : `: : .;'.: : `.; :'.:: : :: ;:' :: . :' .::. .: .:: : : :' ::: :' .:: . : `:: : .:: :' .::. .: .::: : .::: ,:. .:. :' .::: : .:::,' `:. ,' `:.: .::: : .::: ::: ::: .::: : .::: ::: ::: .::: `._ .::'.`._.::' `._.::'.`._ .::' _ Seal _ ~~~ :: :: ~~~ |
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typed on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:21:46 -0700: BillW50 wrote: I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. Ya, just by copying them where you want them, I have nothing in My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on, I save everything mostly to my F:\ Drive Heck, Tweak UI will change the directories "My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on" to anywhere you want your stuff saved. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/D...powertoys.mspx -If your not running XP, each Windows OS has it's own powertoys, and version of Tweak UI- No what I am referring to for free are like Acronis True Image and Paragon. Both are top of the line backup software available at any price. Acronis True Image Seagate Edition (DiscWizard) http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/sup...ads/discwizard Acronis True Image WD Edition http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...&wdc_lang =en Paragon DriveBackup Express 9 (free) http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/ And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. As most backup programs can backup folders as well as partitions. So you can if you want too, make a backup of the system and the data inn two separate backups from the same partition if you want. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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typed on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:21:46 -0700: BillW50 wrote: I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. Ya, just by copying them where you want them, I have nothing in My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on, I save everything mostly to my F:\ Drive Heck, Tweak UI will change the directories "My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on" to anywhere you want your stuff saved. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/D...powertoys.mspx -If your not running XP, each Windows OS has it's own powertoys, and version of Tweak UI- No what I am referring to for free are like Acronis True Image and Paragon. Both are top of the line backup software available at any price. Acronis True Image Seagate Edition (DiscWizard) http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/sup...ads/discwizard Acronis True Image WD Edition http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...&wdc_lang =en Paragon DriveBackup Express 9 (free) http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/ And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. As most backup programs can backup folders as well as partitions. So you can if you want too, make a backup of the system and the data inn two separate backups from the same partition if you want. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. As most backup programs can backup folders as well as partitions. So you can if you want too, make a backup of the system and the data inn two separate backups from the same partition if you want. I have always stored everything off the OS partitions, I can lose an OS, reinstall, and lose very little. It's a Dos thing that carried over to an OS that scatters your data everywhere. In fact I would rather run a stand alone program (process explorer, VLC) one's that only needs the dir it's located in to run. I have those on a separate partition, reinstalling the OS is much easier as I just link to those from the Misgprgs directory. I've never made a back up of my OS's, just a waste of CD's. I do backup my Data which is on other partitions. Then catalog the CD's with Whereisit. I have Agent (my newsreader) on a separate partition, the directory has been with me thru at least 7 different computers, and every OS (not ME) since Win95 (I started with Agent .98). I've never lost so much as a message, I still have a collection of info collected from comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc. group. I just move the Agent directory, to the next computer or link it to the newly installed OS, and edit the .ini file. On a dual boot system I can start a post on one OS, reboot and finish it from the other. I also don't use Tweak UI, that was posted for folks who do save to the "my stuff dirs". I do use it for other tweaks. BTW, I recently reinstalled two versions of XP pro, on purpose - they had been running for a bit over 4.5 years, I can pull out of a serious error (dual booting helps a lot) - it's not like I format due to a fatal error, or on a whim. At this moment if I were to lose the HD, I would only lose my recent torrent files. And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. I do. -- Dallas cop does 70 in a 40 mph zone without his lights or sirens on, hits a kid on a bike and kills him. His punishment: A day off from work... wtf! http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2...he_day_off.php |
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"BillW50" wrote:
And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. As most backup programs can backup folders as well as partitions. So you can if you want too, make a backup of the system and the data inn two separate backups from the same partition if you want. I have always stored everything off the OS partitions, I can lose an OS, reinstall, and lose very little. It's a Dos thing that carried over to an OS that scatters your data everywhere. In fact I would rather run a stand alone program (process explorer, VLC) one's that only needs the dir it's located in to run. I have those on a separate partition, reinstalling the OS is much easier as I just link to those from the Misgprgs directory. I've never made a back up of my OS's, just a waste of CD's. I do backup my Data which is on other partitions. Then catalog the CD's with Whereisit. I have Agent (my newsreader) on a separate partition, the directory has been with me thru at least 7 different computers, and every OS (not ME) since Win95 (I started with Agent .98). I've never lost so much as a message, I still have a collection of info collected from comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc. group. I just move the Agent directory, to the next computer or link it to the newly installed OS, and edit the .ini file. On a dual boot system I can start a post on one OS, reboot and finish it from the other. I also don't use Tweak UI, that was posted for folks who do save to the "my stuff dirs". I do use it for other tweaks. BTW, I recently reinstalled two versions of XP pro, on purpose - they had been running for a bit over 4.5 years, I can pull out of a serious error (dual booting helps a lot) - it's not like I format due to a fatal error, or on a whim. At this moment if I were to lose the HD, I would only lose my recent torrent files. And you really don't need to separate the docs from the system partition. I do. -- Dallas cop does 70 in a 40 mph zone without his lights or sirens on, hits a kid on a bike and kills him. His punishment: A day off from work... wtf! http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2...he_day_off.php |
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