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In article , Snit
wrote:

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no longer needed.
Someone else did. They STILL have a working iPod from that era.

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

On 2/4/20 12:39 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no longer needed.
Someone else did. They STILL have a working iPod from that era.

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.


No, the 30-pin connector will not work with new iPhones with a plug
(well, without some sort of converter, if they even have those).

Apple does still sell them though:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...n-to-usb-cable

If you look at the "Compatibility" listing there you will see new
iPhones are not listed (newest is iPhone 4s). Which makes sense. Have
you even seen one? If so how did you not know they had changed to a
different connector? This one to be specific:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...-usb-cable-1-m

You can get them in different lengths, I just picked the first.

By the way: happy to change topics and help you learn about these
things. Much better than your repetition. Hmmm, I keep talking about
your repetition. Ouch!



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nospam wrote:
there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

I recently introduced an android phone and charger to someone w/ an
'older' iPhone and IPad, but I don't know the iphone/pad model numbers.
Maybe 7.

The android USB charger plug at the phone end was slightly different
than the iPhone/Pad's, ie it doesn't fit.

The party needed to use the iphone/pad connector for the iphone/pad and
the android for the android phone.

I looked around 'a little bit' just now to see if there was a pic in the
wp of two different charger plugs, but I couldn't find it.

--
Mike Easter

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/3/20 3:25 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

So how come I distinctly remember Macs having the USB connectors
upside down? I always knew which way to orientate them before I used
Macs.

Could the connectors have been mounted on the outer side of the board?


I don't want to open up mine. There's stuff on top of it, that
limits what I can do to it.

Mine is the one on the right here. This is a back view,
showing the connectors turned on their side with respect
to the planar (motherboard).

https://3894a8e173f5f8870a41-c88208a...6413255440.JPG

( https://www.macstories.net/mac/the-power-mac-g4-line/ )

The funny thing is, that isn't exactly like mine, so there
must be yet another model number involved.

This shows the inside.

Here is a dual processor version of G4.

https://i.imgur.com/MvcaDH4.jpg

Mine is a single processor version.

The connectors as seen from the back, are turned so there is minimal
clearance between connectors. They would be "turned sideways"
with respect to the planar in the picture. I don't know
if they used separate PCBs for each one, or commissioned special
connectors for the purpose. I would have to open up the machine,
as the resolution isn't good enough to figure it out with pictures.

The item that's more blocky and metallic looking, to the left
of the other four, the connectors on the back have GbE and
RJ11 (dialup modem) on something closer to a conventional stack.

The USB in that case is USB 1.1. Jobs did that so Firewire 400
would "look like a champ". And this is an utter dismal failure,
as I don't happen to have any "Firewire 400 flash-based storage sticks".
And more than once, I wanted to use a USB stick, but it was
"unpossible". Too slow to work. How I got one disk
drive contents out of the machine, was using the GbE and
using FTP to another machine.

I only have a couple 3.5" non-Apple external Firewire enclosures.
Not nearly as convenient. And those happen to be limited to
120GB drives. Some of the controllers in those, happened to be
flashable to 48 bit LBA, but I got a couple crusty ones.
(I'm good at selecting the "loser chip version" of just about anything!)

Paul

In article , Mike Easter
wrote:

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

I recently introduced an android phone and charger to someone w/ an
'older' iPhone and IPad, but I don't know the iphone/pad model numbers.
Maybe 7.

The android USB charger plug at the phone end was slightly different
than the iPhone/Pad's, ie it doesn't fit.

he was talking about the *charger*, not the connector on the phone.

the charger has a standard usb-a port, possibly usb-c if it's new.

depending on which android phone you have, you will need a usb-c,
micro-usb, micro-usb3, mini-usb or ext-usb cable.

for an iphone 5 and later, you will need a lightning cable and for an
iphone 4s and earlier, you will need a 30 pin dock connector cable.

in every case, the charger is the same.

keep in mind that there are chargers that are not fully compliant with
the usb spec and may not work with all devices. they are defective.

In article , Snit
wrote:

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no longer needed.
Someone else did. They STILL have a working iPod from that era.

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

No, the 30-pin connector will not work with new iPhones with a plug
(well, without some sort of converter, if they even have those).

the charger does not have a 30 pin connector.

the charger has a usb-a port and will work with iphones and android
phones, along with a wide variety of other devices, including wireless
qi pads, wifi routers, iot devices, tv remotes and much more.

Apple does still sell them though:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...n-to-usb-cable

that's a cable, not a charger.

you are obviously confused of difference between a cable and a charger.

Mike Easter wrote:
nospam wrote:
there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

I recently introduced an android phone and charger to someone w/ an
'older' iPhone and IPad, but I don't know the iphone/pad model numbers.
Maybe 7.

The android USB charger plug at the phone end was slightly different
than the iPhone/Pad's, ie it doesn't fit.

The party needed to use the iphone/pad connector for the iphone/pad and
the android for the android phone.

I looked around 'a little bit' just now to see if there was a pic in the
wp of two different charger plugs, but I couldn't find it.


Some phones had an additional pin for audio.

https://www.amazon.ca/LIYUDL-Female-.../dp/B07634T4CF

There really are a lot of connector designs out there,
that have fallen by the wayside over the years. There might have
been some phones, that had more than five pins on the
phone end.

Paul

On 2/4/20 1:29 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no longer needed.
Someone else did. They STILL have a working iPod from that era.

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

No, the 30-pin connector will not work with new iPhones with a plug
(well, without some sort of converter, if they even have those).

the charger does not have a 30 pin connector.

the charger has a usb-a port and will work with iphones and android
phones, along with a wide variety of other devices, including wireless
qi pads, wifi routers, iot devices, tv remotes and much more.

Apple does still sell them though:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...n-to-usb-cable

that's a cable, not a charger.

you are obviously confused of difference between a cable and a charger.


The cable is what allows it to be charged when you plug it into a USB
port. Sorry if the language was not exact and you got confused. Do you
now understand what was being discussed?



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2/4/20 1:29 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mike Easter
wrote:

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

I recently introduced an android phone and charger to someone w/ an
'older' iPhone and IPad, but I don't know the iphone/pad model numbers.
Maybe 7.

The android USB charger plug at the phone end was slightly different
than the iPhone/Pad's, ie it doesn't fit.

he was talking about the *charger*, not the connector on the phone.

the charger has a standard usb-a port, possibly usb-c if it's new.

depending on which android phone you have, you will need a usb-c,
micro-usb, micro-usb3, mini-usb or ext-usb cable.

for an iphone 5 and later, you will need a lightning cable and for an
iphone 4s and earlier, you will need a 30 pin dock connector cable.

in every case, the charger is the same.

keep in mind that there are chargers that are not fully compliant with
the usb spec and may not work with all devices. they are defective.



Context:
-----
A couple of years ago, I had a friend who needed a
charging cable for an iPhone 4.

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no
longer needed. Someone else did. They STILL have a working
iPod from that era.
-----

I agree: I should have used the term "charging cable" to be more clear I
had kept the same context. My failure to do so lead to you being confused.

Have we now reached an understanding? If so is there a reason to rehash
as you tend to do?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article , Snit
wrote:


Context:
-----
A couple of years ago, I had a friend who needed a
charging cable for an iPhone 4.

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no
longer needed. Someone else did. They STILL have a working
iPod from that era.
-----

I agree: I should have used the term "charging cable" to be more clear I
had kept the same context. My failure to do so lead to you being confused.

i'm not confused.

stop blaming others for your own ****ups.

Have we now reached an understanding? If so is there a reason to rehash
as you tend to do?

i'm not the one rehashing anything, but at least you admit that you're
confused.

In article , Snit
wrote:

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no longer needed.
Someone else did. They STILL have a working iPod from that era.

there's nothing unique or special about an old iphone charger.

it's standard usb and will work with both old and new iphones as well
as android phones and many other things.

No, the 30-pin connector will not work with new iPhones with a plug
(well, without some sort of converter, if they even have those).

the charger does not have a 30 pin connector.

the charger has a usb-a port and will work with iphones and android
phones, along with a wide variety of other devices, including wireless
qi pads, wifi routers, iot devices, tv remotes and much more.

Apple does still sell them though:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...n-to-usb-cable

that's a cable, not a charger.

you are obviously confused of difference between a cable and a charger.


The cable is what allows it to be charged when you plug it into a USB
port. Sorry if the language was not exact and you got confused. Do you
now understand what was being discussed?

i'm not the least bit confused, however, you certainly are.

the cable and charger are two independent items.

you made yet another mistake due to *your* confusion and lack of
understanding and are trying to blame others rather than own up to it.

On 2/4/20 1:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:


Context:
-----
A couple of years ago, I had a friend who needed a
charging cable for an iPhone 4.

I recently gave away an old iPhone charger which I no
longer needed. Someone else did. They STILL have a working
iPod from that era.
-----

I agree: I should have used the term "charging cable" to be more clear I
had kept the same context. My failure to do so lead to you being confused.

i'm not confused.

OK, so you are trolling. Fair enough.

stop blaming others for your own ****ups.

I just noted where I should have been more clear. Seriously, how did you
miss that?

Have we now reached an understanding? If so is there a reason to rehash
as you tend to do?

i'm not the one rehashing anything, but at least you admit that you're
confused.

How many times are you going to want to rehash this?


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 03 Feb 2020 18:05:27 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fe78jkpwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

You know, I suggested this when USB first came out (bloody annoying having
to try twice to plug a USB plug in - there's no way to tell which way up
it goes without peering inside the socket and the plug) and everyone said
it would be impossible to do.... I should have patented it.

Anker used to put their logo consistently on one side of the micro USB plugs
on their cables. I quickly learned that the logo should face me when I have
the screen of my phone towards me. But the most recent plugs that I ordered
from them don't have their logo on (nor the standard USB logo) so there
isn't that to help you work out which way round to put the plug.

Most PCs had them like that when USB first came out, the logo on the top.
Then I worked in a place that had Apple Macs. They all faced down.

logos are not a reliable method. the logo is *usually* on the top but
not always, and some cords have no logo at all.

a much better method is look for the seam on the usb plug itself, which
almost always faces down when the usb ports are horizontal. for hosts
that have vertical usb ports, it varies, but is at least consistent for
all ports on the same host.

Seam? What do you mean by seam?

You can look into the end of the plug and the socket and see where the gap and the plastic is. But not so easy when you're plugging it into a socket behind the computer. I just try both ways round and the third of the two always seems to work. I've never figured out why it doesn't go in on the first attempt....

On Mon, 03 Feb 2020 20:03:56 -0000, 123456789 wrote:

nospam wrote:

logos are not a reliable method
[for determining correct plug insertion].
the logo is *usually* on the top but
not always, and some cords have no logo at all.

If I normally used the same cord with the same device
which was often I would put a dab of paint on the
upside of the plug. Never a problem plugging it
in after that...

If you normally have the same cord in the same socket, why not just leave it in there?

On Mon, 03 Feb 2020 20:23:52 -0000, 123456789 wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

If we have to have wafer thin phones,
then make them charge by induction or
something. You just can't fit a sensible
sized plug on a phone.

Wireless charging is great. My last two
phones have had it.

I've only ever seen it on an electric toothbrush. I thought it never took off with phones - something to do with not enough power being able to be transferred?

Prediction: Phones of the future will have no holes at all...

You mean we might one day actually have a phone you can use outside without ruining it when it rains?