Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.

Maurice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:17:58 +0100, DAN wrote:

Keep your legacy on win7, and take the time to discover win10 at your
leisure.

But that assumes W7 will install/work on new PC.

I've already met W10 on my HP probook, and cannot get on with it.

But the reason I want to stay with W7 is so I don't have to change
video editor and start all over again with a steep video-editing
learning curve. I may not have all that much time left...


Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ?

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When I've done upgrades from Win7 to Win10, normally
only about one icon gets deleted on my desktop, and
all the important stuff still works. Just like before.
Some applications like CPUZ, that use things like
giveio.sys to punch through security, they get
deleted. So any application that's a tiny bit goofy,
may get deleted.

Doing a backup, then restoring from the backup, means
easy "undo" if you don't like the immediate results of
that Win10 upgrade test. If your Movie Editor disappeared,
you could just restore the Win7 C: again.

For example, on Dec.31 (the putative "end-of-free-upgrade"
date), I backed up my Win 8.1, installed Win10 as an
upgrade, backed up the resulting Win10 C: for a rainy
day (not really essential), and then restored my
Win8.1. Just to generate the Digital Entitlement on
the Microsoft server for later. Now, if I wanted,
I could even restore the Win10 C: I backed up,
*along-side* Windows 8.1, and make a dual boot.
I'm in no hurry today to do that, but someday
I might.

I've done configs like this before, like having
two C: partitions of the same parentage placed
beside one another. EasyBCD can be used to put
both of them in the boot menu. And the Macrium
Reflect Free emergency boot CD can lace together
exotic configurations for you too. Only yesterday
I used the Macrium CD to "put my Win10 upright again"
because of a booting problem. There is an option in
one of the menus, to "repair boot". Which worked
a treat when Win10 could not fix that on its own.

+-----------------+-------------------------+---------------+
| System Reserved | Win7 Upgraded to Win10 | Original Win7 |
+-----------------+-------------------------+---------------+

Win10 can put up a boot menu for 10 seconds, so
you can select the OS you want at the time. Since it
also has a "Default" OS (and an easy way to change it),
you don't even have to stand in front of the thing while
it boots, to select your "normal-favorite".

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...-options-1.jpg

A few of my setups, use this boot menu instead. But
I've had trouble getting this one to work on a
Win10/Win10 dual boot system. One reason
I like this one, is it puts the "F8" option
right in your face. Nice. Takes the worry
out of "Safe Mode" access.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...-dual-boot.png

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As long as you have backup software, you can have fun,
and not worry.

Win10 upgrades over Win7 are available until around the
end of this month (we don't really believe Microsoft on
the dates any more, because they've been teasing a
close-out on upgrades for quite a while now, in an
attempt to get us to upgrade).

Paul

On 16/01/2018 21:11, CRNG wrote:
Take a look at Dell Refurbished.

Another clunker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys need your head
examined by a Nigerian witch-doctor.

These clunkers are only good for somebody who is going to die within
months so for him or her there is no point in buying Windows 10 machine
only to find that their death is hastened by learning new
tricks!!!!!!! We are talking of old dogs here!!!!!!!!!!!!





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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:11:59 -0600, CRNG wrote:

Take a look at Dell Refurbished.

I am uneasy about refurbished; I'm looking for a new PC, not a
repaired one.
Otherwise I might as well replace all the RAM in the current one and
keep wondering what will be the nect component to fail.
May well be what I finish up doing...
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 +0000, I wrote:

The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?!

The reply from Novatech was:

"The latest chipsets that we sell will be only Windows 10 compatible,
at the current time we do not offer any machines that are compatible
with Windows 7 unfortunately."

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:37:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

What version of Pinnacle Studio do you have?

Studio Ultimate HD version 14 (2010)

Requirements: Windows 7 or XP...

No way I can face learning how to use a version 7 years newer!
Took me months to begin to make progress with that one!

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:17:37 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM).

I do run VirtualBox, but I would not attempt to use it for video
editing.

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:13 -0500, Paul wrote:

Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ?

Past experience with old software on new MS systems!

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:53:18 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:17:37 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM).

I do run VirtualBox, but I would not attempt to use it for video
editing.

Ok, sorry about that. I only have experience with VMware Workstation and
video editing (or anything else) is fine there. I guess VirtualBox is
probably different in that regard.

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Char Jackson

On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:24:11 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 16/01/2018 20:19, Stephen wrote:

Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7.


So your advice is to buy another clunker to avoid using Windows 10? Are
you off your meds?


No - I am suggesting a possible answer to the question.



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Stephen

Maurice wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:13 -0500, Paul wrote:

Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ?

Past experience with old software on new MS systems!


You can do an "eval" install right now, without
having a Win10 key in hand.

All you need is a spare hard drive, to *safely*
do an install from a freely-available-for-download
Win10 DVD.

Then you can try Pinnacle.

If the EXE doesn't work, right-click the EXE in
File Explorer and try the "Compatibility" settings
and see if that works.

Paul

Maurice wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:11:59 -0600, CRNG wrote:

Take a look at Dell Refurbished.

I am uneasy about refurbished; I'm looking for a new PC, not a
repaired one.
Otherwise I might as well replace all the RAM in the current one and
keep wondering what will be the nect component to fail.
May well be what I finish up doing...

My employer leases about 600 Dell floor top computers with a three year
lease agreement. Every year about 200 computers are at the end
of their three year lease and are returned to Dell. Dell sends them
to refurbers. They are good machines for office work, internet, etc.,
but they are not gaming machines. There is nothing wrong with them.
We also lease about 80 Dell servers and about 300 Lenovo laptops
but I don't know the lease agreements on those.
Lease cost is tax deductible. Buying them outright means amortization
over X years and is often not a good idea for small items.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:24:08 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

I only have experience with VMware Workstation and
video editing (or anything else) is fine there.

I've no doubt it would work on that, also VirtualBox.
The $64 question is: How effectively?!

I guess VirtualBox is probably different in that regard.

Propably not. I have WinXP running on it here ↓nder Linux, with one
or two non-video apps.
For raw video power I boot Windows 7.
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Maurice wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:24:08 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

I only have experience with VMware Workstation and
video editing (or anything else) is fine there.

I've no doubt it would work on that, also VirtualBox.
The $64 question is: How effectively?!

I guess VirtualBox is probably different in that regard.

Propably not. I have WinXP running on it here ↓nder Linux, with one
or two non-video apps.
For raw video power I boot Windows 7.

If a video editor uses the video card for "Acceleration",
VirtualBox has a less-than-perfect DirectX emulation
path to get to the card.

As a consequence, if the video editor is making DXVA calls,
they might not get through. This is just a keyword that
comes to mine - there may be more of these things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXVA

I've only ever had one VM Hosting software, that offered
perfectly transparent access to a host video card. It's
because the video card type could be guaranteed to not
be busy at the time, so the hosting software could pass
it through to the Guest and let the Guest use it. The
reason this works, is the card was Voodoo family, and
the video method was VGA Overlay. No other hosting software
since, has offered such a capability. VirtualBox comes
closest, with its "Experimental DirectX" support, but
that's not the same thing as exposing the entire card
for usage. VirtualBox may not give you access to the
video encoder and decoder blocks for example. It's not
clear to me that they're actively working the issue
either. I see artifacts that never seem to get fixed.

Paul

On 1/15/2018 10:35 AM, Maurice scribbled:
Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

This is maloky

get a new one, erase the hard drive Format it.

Then put on the op system you want. What I dont get, is why anyone
wanting to stay with windows, except the software problem. I use 6.1,
have an old dell, it has it on it and it was an xp machine. iT ALSO
RUNS UNIX. It does not matter the cpu. wipe it out, install what you
want. But first, I would be very careful of what you buy. Most of it
is trash today. i THINK, IF IT WERE ME, i WOULD BUILD MY OWN USING A
SUPPLIER. lIKE tIGER DIRECT