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The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is a piece of junk. |
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is a piece of junk. Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11 and have Chrome in reserve. |
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"Peter Jason" wrote
| The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't | support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, | and some of the others. Why is this so? They're esentially the same thing except that Edge doesn't support traditional IE features like ActiveX, VBScript, BHOs, etc. IE11 in compat mode does. My guess would be that's the reason. From their code it looks like they do support IE6-10. (If you right-click - View Source Code you can see at the top of the page it's designed to handle each IE version separately.) Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer compatible with sites designed for IE, but it also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible, as all non-IE browsers are. |
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On 09/12/2018 23:55, Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? Because they need their head to be examined. Australians are known for heavy drinking and this might explain why. If you have an official announcement about this then please let me know so that I can forward it to my contacts at Microsoft who can take appropriate actions against the department that is giving improper advice. Thank you for bringing to us here on public newsgroup. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? It's possible your government has a sense of humor. https://www.ato.gov.au/Super/APRA-re...rowser-issues/ "CRT Alert 069/2018 21 September 2018 ATO Portal Internet Explorer and Safari browser issues We are aware of an issue impacting some AUSkey users accessing the ATO portals when using Internet Explorer and Safari. To access the portal you will need to clear your Java Cache or switch to Firefox or Chrome. " Do I have a Java Cache ? Is that the coffee mug I hold in my hand right now ? Maybe that's a Java Cache ? It's clear you will need four or five browsers when dealing with your government, as one of them is *bound* to work. I have it on good authority, until another bulletin pops up. Paul |
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On 12/9/2018 8:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Peter Jason" wrote | The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't | support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, | and some of the others. Why is this so? [...] Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer compatible with sites designed for IE, but it also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible, as all non-IE browsers are. You've accurately described the root cause of the problem; websites that are browser-dependent are poorly written and typically flawed in many ways. When one looks in the HTML header at code variations based on different browsers or versions, it's to accommodate quirks within those browsers that don't support the parameters that the site is implementing. Better would be to avoid such parameters altogether, but that can be limiting, too. -- best regards, Neil |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:43:56 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote: On 09/12/2018 23:55, Peter Jason wrote: The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? Because they need their head to be examined. Australians are known for heavy drinking and this might explain why. Well, wouldn't you take to heavy drinking if your browser was not superior? If you have an official announcement about this then please let me know so that I can forward it to my contacts at Microsoft who can take appropriate actions against the department that is giving improper advice. Thank you for bringing to us here on public newsgroup. |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:40:31 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer compatible with sites designed for IE, but it also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible, as all non-IE browsers are. Passes the Acid Test, better than some others. http://acid3.acidtests.org/ |
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| When one looks in the HTML header at code variations based on different | browsers or versions, it's to accommodate quirks within those browsers | that don't support the parameters that the site is implementing. Better | would be to avoid such parameters altogether, but that can be limiting, too. | Yes, and it's just not realistic. Especially for commercial sites that want to maximize traffic. Only the most basic functionality and the loosest layout design can be used for all browsers. I have 2 versions of all webpages, one for IE and one for all other browsers. It's not because I need to use special razzmatazz. I avoid script and newer CSS/HTML that older browsers might not handle. But I still need two versions. It's for very basic stuff: * Older IE versions don't see CSS :hover, which I use for menus, so I have to give them script. * Subtle layout differences, like IE displaying a label or image a few pixels higher or lower than other browsers. Those have to be adjusted to prevent elements overlapping each other. * I use nested, redundant tables and divs because older IE versions can't be made to treat a div as a block element. It goes on and on. The only solution is to either test in each browser or design pages like in the late 90s, with only simple HTML. On the good side, pretty much anything but IE acts the same way. And until IE11, Microsoft have built in support for "quirks mode", so that I can design for IE6 and it will work in all other versions exactly the same way. But then with IE11 the fun begins. With IE11, quirks mode only works if "compatibility" is set for the domain (requiring specific user action that most people won't understand), and in Edge it's broken altogether. So for anyone who wants to keep supporting everything, both of those browsers now need special attention. And that also means testing on Win10, because that's the only way to get Edge. |
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| Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer | compatible with sites designed for IE, but it | also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible, | as all non-IE browsers are. | | Passes the Acid Test, better than some others. | I explained the details of the problems to you recently with one of your other hit-and-run posts, but you don't want to know. I asked why you like Edge so much and you avoided the question, instead posting a link to a glib online posting that offered nothing relevant. Yet you keep posting these one-liners. You can keep using Edge if you like. That's up to you. But when you find yourself attacking web designers for Edge's faults, it might be time to reconsider. Why is the Australian gov't site rejecting Edge if it's so good? I don't know. But I don't imagine they're doing it frivolously. And believe it or not, I don't think they did it to spite you personally. And why are you an Edge holdout? I don't know and you don't seem to know. So why should I be concerned with you and the other 2-3% of people using Edge? Probably almost all of those people couldn't tell you what browser they use. They don't call it Edge. They call it "the Internet". Those are the people who got duped by Microsoft's Win10 tricks. (Did you know that probably the majority of people don't actually know the concept of a browser? Ask them how they see a webpage and they'll answer that they click the Internet, pointing to a browser icon.) When Microsoft comes out with Edge-Chrome for all Windows versions, I'll test it. If it works like other browsers I'll support it. (Assuming I can get the thing to install on Win7. I'm not betting on that.) Of course, once they start building in incompatibility in order to lock in Windows users, all bets will be off. apropos of that, I saw an interesting discussion on Slashdot this week. Some experts think Microsoft is moving to Chrome in order to support something called ElectronJS. The gist of it is essentially a whackjob fad that involves creating software with javascript that runs in a Chrome instance. The "program" is basically a complex scripted webpage and a copy of Chrome, all in one package. It's like an HTA, which dates back to IE5, except that a tiny app is likely to eat up gobs of RAM in order to work: HTA: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx ElectronJS: https://electronjs.org I say whackjob because the whole premise is off the deep end. It's part of the ongoing obsession with the idea that the future of software is online services. But that's a very dumb idea. The future spyware and adware online services is online. And some people would like to equate computing itself with the use of those services. Microsoft is already heavily invested in ElectronJS. So the thinking is that they need to switch to Chrome so they can rule the Chrome-app-mess world. Then they can make ElectronJS apps that run best on Windows. And guess who won't be supporting ElectronJS? Yours truly. Lest you think I have an axe to grind with Microsoft, I don't. I love Windows and hope to never have to use anything else. But this is well known Microsoft M.O.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrac...and_extinguish That's why IE is such a mess. That's why Edge isn't popular. That's why their Chrome foray will probably fail. Microsoft only do software as a sideline. Their main business is monopoly maintenance. They're not going to try to make the best browser. They're going to try, once again, to create more lock-in. |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? I've never used EDGE and I'm now thinking I never will. Steve -- http://www.npsnn.com |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:46:49 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is a piece of junk. Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11 and have Chrome in reserve. Not everyone agrees with my opinions, of course, but to me, those are the three *worst* browsers available: Edge, IE, and Chrome. My personal favorite is FireFox. |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:41:46 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:46:49 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote: The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11, and some of the others. Why is this so? I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is a piece of junk. Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11 and have Chrome in reserve. Not everyone agrees with my opinions, of course, but to me, those are the three *worst* browsers available: Edge, IE, and Chrome. My personal favorite is FireFox. We vary a bit! My favourite browser is Chrome. I haven't had any other browsers installed for years so I don't know anything about the current releases. To be entirely honest I'm too lazy to try them! Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com |
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