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Old December 10th 18, 12:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?
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Old December 10th 18, 01:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?




I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is
a piece of junk.
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Old December 10th 18, 01:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Jason
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?




I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is
a piece of junk.


Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11
and have Chrome in reserve.
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Old December 10th 18, 02:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Peter Jason" wrote

| The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
| support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
| and some of the others. Why is this so?

They're esentially the same thing except that Edge
doesn't support traditional IE features like ActiveX,
VBScript, BHOs, etc. IE11 in compat mode does.
My guess would be that's the reason. From their
code it looks like they do support IE6-10. (If you
right-click - View Source Code you can see at
the top of the page it's designed to handle each
IE version separately.)

Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer
compatible with sites designed for IE, but it
also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible,
as all non-IE browsers are.


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Old December 10th 18, 02:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 09/12/2018 23:55, Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?


Because they need their head to be examined. Australians are known for
heavy drinking and this might explain why.

If you have an official announcement about this then please let me know
so that I can forward it to my contacts at Microsoft who can take
appropriate actions against the department that is giving improper advice.

Thank you for bringing to us here on public newsgroup.



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Old December 10th 18, 04:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?


It's possible your government has a sense of humor.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Super/APRA-re...rowser-issues/

"CRT Alert 069/2018

21 September 2018
ATO Portal Internet Explorer and Safari browser issues

We are aware of an issue impacting some AUSkey users accessing
the ATO portals when using Internet Explorer and Safari.

To access the portal you will need to clear your Java Cache
or switch to Firefox or Chrome.
"

Do I have a Java Cache ?

Is that the coffee mug I hold in my hand
right now ? Maybe that's a Java Cache ?

It's clear you will need four or five browsers
when dealing with your government, as one
of them is *bound* to work. I have it on good
authority, until another bulletin pops up.

Paul
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Old December 10th 18, 04:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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On 12/9/2018 8:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Peter Jason" wrote

| The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
| support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
| and some of the others. Why is this so?

[...]

Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer
compatible with sites designed for IE, but it
also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible,
as all non-IE browsers are.

You've accurately described the root cause of the problem; websites that
are browser-dependent are poorly written and typically flawed in many ways.

When one looks in the HTML header at code variations based on different
browsers or versions, it's to accommodate quirks within those browsers
that don't support the parameters that the site is implementing. Better
would be to avoid such parameters altogether, but that can be limiting, too.

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Old December 10th 18, 05:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Jason
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Default EDGE not supported.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:43:56 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 09/12/2018 23:55, Peter Jason wrote:
The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?


Because they need their head to be examined. Australians are known for
heavy drinking and this might explain why.


Well, wouldn't you take to heavy drinking if your
browser was not superior?


If you have an official announcement about this then please let me know
so that I can forward it to my contacts at Microsoft who can take
appropriate actions against the department that is giving improper advice.

Thank you for bringing to us here on public newsgroup.

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Old December 10th 18, 12:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:40:31 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer
compatible with sites designed for IE, but it
also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible,
as all non-IE browsers are.


Passes the Acid Test, better than some others.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/
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Old December 10th 18, 02:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Neil" wrote

| When one looks in the HTML header at code variations based on different
| browsers or versions, it's to accommodate quirks within those browsers
| that don't support the parameters that the site is implementing. Better
| would be to avoid such parameters altogether, but that can be limiting,
too.
|

Yes, and it's just not realistic. Especially
for commercial sites that want to maximize
traffic. Only the most basic functionality
and the loosest layout design can be used
for all browsers.
I have 2 versions of all webpages, one for
IE and one for all other browsers. It's not
because I need to use special razzmatazz.
I avoid script and newer CSS/HTML that older
browsers might not handle. But I still need
two versions. It's for very basic stuff:

* Older IE versions don't see CSS :hover, which
I use for menus, so I have to give them script.

* Subtle layout differences, like IE displaying
a label or image a few pixels higher or lower
than other browsers. Those have to be adjusted
to prevent elements overlapping each other.

* I use nested, redundant tables and divs
because older IE versions can't be made to
treat a div as a block element.

It goes on and on. The only solution is to
either test in each browser or design pages
like in the late 90s, with only simple HTML.

On the good side, pretty
much anything but IE acts the same way. And
until IE11, Microsoft have built in support for
"quirks mode", so that I can design for IE6 and
it will work in all other versions exactly the
same way.

But then with IE11 the fun begins. With IE11,
quirks mode only works if "compatibility" is set
for the domain (requiring specific user action
that most people won't understand), and in Edge
it's broken altogether.
So for anyone who wants to keep supporting
everything, both of those browsers now need
special attention. And that also means testing
on Win10, because that's the only way to get
Edge.


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Old December 10th 18, 03:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"mechanic" wrote

| Edge is sort of a black sheep. It's no longer
| compatible with sites designed for IE, but it
| also doesn't seem to be standards-compatible,
| as all non-IE browsers are.
|
| Passes the Acid Test, better than some others.
|

I explained the details of the problems to you
recently with one of your other hit-and-run posts,
but you don't want to know. I asked why you like
Edge so much and you avoided the question, instead
posting a link to a glib online posting that offered
nothing relevant. Yet you keep posting these
one-liners.

You can keep using Edge if you like. That's
up to you. But when you find yourself attacking
web designers for Edge's faults, it might be time
to reconsider.
Why is the Australian gov't site rejecting Edge
if it's so good? I don't know. But I don't imagine
they're doing it frivolously. And believe it or not,
I don't think they did it to spite you personally.

And why are you an Edge holdout? I don't know
and you don't seem to know. So why should I
be concerned with you and the other 2-3% of
people using Edge? Probably almost all of those
people couldn't tell you what browser they use.
They don't call it Edge. They call it "the Internet".
Those are the people who got duped by Microsoft's
Win10 tricks. (Did you know that probably the
majority of people don't actually know the concept
of a browser? Ask them how they see a webpage
and they'll answer that they click the Internet,
pointing to a browser icon.)

When Microsoft comes out with Edge-Chrome for
all Windows versions, I'll test it. If it works like
other browsers I'll support it. (Assuming I can get
the thing to install on Win7. I'm not betting on that.)
Of course, once they start building in incompatibility
in order to lock in Windows users, all bets will be off.


apropos of that, I saw an interesting discussion on
Slashdot this week. Some experts think Microsoft is
moving to Chrome in order to support something called
ElectronJS.
The gist of it is essentially a whackjob fad that
involves creating software with javascript that runs
in a Chrome instance. The "program" is basically a
complex scripted webpage and a copy of Chrome, all
in one package. It's like an HTA, which dates back
to IE5, except that a tiny app is likely to eat
up gobs of RAM in order to work:

HTA:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

ElectronJS:
https://electronjs.org


I say whackjob because the whole premise is off
the deep end. It's part of the ongoing obsession with
the idea that the future of software is online services.
But that's a very dumb idea. The future spyware
and adware online services is online. And some people
would like to equate computing itself with the use of
those services. Microsoft is already heavily invested in
ElectronJS. So the thinking is that they need to switch
to Chrome so they can rule the Chrome-app-mess world.
Then they can make ElectronJS apps that run best on
Windows. And guess who won't be supporting
ElectronJS? Yours truly.

Lest you think I have an axe to grind with Microsoft,
I don't. I love Windows and hope to never have to use
anything else. But this is well known Microsoft M.O.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrac...and_extinguish

That's why IE is such a mess. That's why Edge isn't
popular. That's why their Chrome foray will probably
fail. Microsoft only do software as a sideline. Their
main business is monopoly maintenance. They're not
going to try to make the best browser. They're going
to try, once again, to create more lock-in.


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Old December 10th 18, 03:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?


I've never used EDGE and I'm now thinking I never will.

Steve

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Old December 10th 18, 04:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:46:49 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?




I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is
a piece of junk.


Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11
and have Chrome in reserve.




Not everyone agrees with my opinions, of course, but to me, those are
the three *worst* browsers available: Edge, IE, and Chrome. My
personal favorite is FireFox.


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Old December 10th 18, 04:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:41:46 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:46:49 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:23:06 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:55:37 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

The august Australian Taxation Office doesn't
support EDGE and politely suggests one uses IE11,
and some of the others. Why is this so?



I don't know, but if you want a guess, it's because they know Edge is
a piece of junk.


Yes, not a good sign. I've changed back to IE11
and have Chrome in reserve.




Not everyone agrees with my opinions, of course, but to me, those are
the three *worst* browsers available: Edge, IE, and Chrome. My
personal favorite is FireFox.


We vary a bit! My favourite browser is Chrome. I haven't had any other
browsers installed for years so I don't know anything about the
current releases. To be entirely honest I'm too lazy to try them!

Steve

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