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I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three
has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to, I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from the Firestick? Thanks... |
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Alan Holbrook wrote:
I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to, I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from the Firestick? Thanks... On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached. File sharing, by default, requires authentication. A user on another host is literally logging into the remote host (the one with the attached external disks), so they need an account on the remote host. A disadvantage of auto-login is that you don't enter your login credentials, so you may forget them. I can't/won't help you hack your Windows accounts on the remote host. If you cannot remember you own login credentials for the Windows accounts defined on your remote host, you'll have to reset their passwords (which requires you login under an admin-level Windows account). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecoliBpLcDI timemark 3:00 https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...oup-windows-10 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...over-a-network I don't use a Firestick, so I'm not aware of what protocols it uses for file sharing. Maybe it relies on the old homegroup scheme which disappeared in Windows 10 April 2018 update. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...egroup-removed https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...oup-windows-10 |
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Alan Holbrook wrote:
I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to, I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from the Firestick? Thanks... Well, some combination of username and password *will* gain access. I run into this unnecessary authentication problem all the time. Windows usernames are like C:\users\John Smith Linux ones are like /home/john If the Linux box automagically prepares a username for the authentication box, it jams "john" into the username box. The user then has to overtype that field and use "John Smith" to match the account that was set up on the Windows box. Then enter "John Smith" version of password. Not any password that is on the Firestick. If I'd "planned ahead", I would have changed all my Windows installs to a single username of "Johnsmith" and any appliances to "Johnsmith" and my Linux installs to "Johnsmith", so there would be C:\users\Johnsmith and /home/Johnsmith and so on. But who thinks about all this ten or fifteen years ago ? All that "aligning" the names buys you, is one less field to have to overtype. You'd likely still need a password. And it's not supposed to do that, but this could somehow be related to SMBV1 bugs or something. I'm not really sure why the wheels have fallen off, the way they have. To top it off, on the Linux side, you have to authenticate *twice*. If you want to browse the server, you log into "bob" machine at the top level. Then if you select "share1" on "bob", the idiotic thing wants authentication to get in there, and it *won't* use the information you just entered for the previous authentication either. To reduce this annoyance to just one login box smb://bob/share1 # network neighborhood working smb://192.168.1.3/share1 # if network neighborhood not working # if DHCP, address may change on LAN And I really don't have an answer for you. I don't think going to Programs and Features : Windows Features and turning SMBV1 on the Win10 box ON or OFF is going to make a difference, as the authentication issue is likely to be present in either case. Turning off the password requirement on the Win10 networking settings seems to achieve nothing. Nominally, all security is removed and it *still* needs the damn password. Even if the account password was blank, I doubt it would work, but I don't plan on doing that. I don't run computers here with blank passwords. Not ever. The security on my LAN may be smashed to smithereens, but the account password stays. And real administrator account stays disabled (as done by Win10 installer by default). Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Alan Holbrook wrote: I have a home network with three Win10 computers on it. One of the three has several external disk drives attached. All the computers can see each other and all can access the external drives. Recently, I bought an Amazon Firestick and attached it to a television in front of my treadmill. One of the applications on the Firestick needs to see the external drives on the network, but when I try to access the computer the drives are attached to, I get a message that says that computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from the Firestick? Thanks... If ES File Explorer were to work, other things doing file sharing would be likely to work too. At some point, Win10 changed and upset the "easy" recipe they had, of using "Turn off password protected sharing". https://www.tenforums.com/network-sh...-explorer.html ******* The NetBIOS setting is here. Not that it's wrong or anything. https://i.postimg.cc/PJjFBFx7/netbios-Win10.gif ******* There's a picture of "Turn Windows Features On or Off", here. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...l-windows.html ******* The Win10 stack does support a kind of reporting. It will show the details of a connection, *after* the connection is made. This is *useless* for debugging connections that don't get made. Windows PowerShell Copyright (C) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 get-smbconnection ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens ---------- --------- -------- ---------- ------- -------- BOB ramdisk WAFFLES\User Name WAFFLES\User Name 1.5 2 PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 That's a connection with a WinXP (SMBV1-only OS) box. Dialect is 1.5. ******* Here is another Powershell command. This one tells you what SMB flavors are enabled, as well as the encryption setting (which I don't believe is correct, as I doubt Win10 sends network packets without one of the encryption flavors turned on - networking is too slow to be unencrypted). PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 get-smbserverconfiguration AnnounceComment : AnnounceServer : False AsynchronousCredits : 64 AuditSmb1Access : False AutoDisconnectTimeout : 15 AutoShareServer : True AutoShareWorkstation : True CachedOpenLimit : 10 DurableHandleV2TimeoutInSeconds : 180 EnableAuthenticateUserSharing : False EnableDownlevelTimewarp : False EnableForcedLogoff : True EnableLeasing : True EnableMultiChannel : True EnableOplocks : True EnableSecuritySignature : False EnableSMB1Protocol : True ------- EnableSMB2Protocol : True ------- EnableStrictNameChecking : True EncryptData : False === IrpStackSize : 15 KeepAliveTime : 2 MaxChannelPerSession : 32 MaxMpxCount : 50 MaxSessionPerConnection : 16384 MaxThreadsPerQueue : 20 MaxWorkItems : 1 NullSessionPipes : NullSessionShares : OplockBreakWait : 35 PendingClientTimeoutInSeconds : 120 RejectUnencryptedAccess : True RequireSecuritySignature : False ServerHidden : True Smb2CreditsMax : 2048 Smb2CreditsMin : 128 SmbServerNameHardeningLevel : 0 TreatHostAsStableStorage : False ValidateAliasNotCircular : True ValidateShareScope : True ValidateShareScopeNotAliased : True ValidateTargetName : True ******* Normally, you'd use Wireshark, to capture Ethernet packets and use the SMB Dissector or similar in Wireshark, to figure out what is happening. However, with the Firestick, you need "AirPCAP" instead of "winpcap" to run a promiscuous receiver and capture the traffic. If you were to purchase an Ethernet to Wifi access point, then have the Firestick connect from that, right to the PC, that might be another way to do it, that would put the traffic into Ethernet, and allow easier Wireshark capture. You might do that while using ICS or something, to run the Access Point to Firestick segment. Something like that. The only problem with the airpcap idea, is ordering the dongle and waiting for shipment. Access points aren't all that common any more as a sales item, because full routers are just as cheap. And that pretty well killed some one-port products on the day they were launched. PC --- eth --- Wifi_Router --/\/\--- Firestick via Wifi ^ | +---- Winpcap (built-in, free) and Wireshark (free) http://www.wireshark.org I don't use it all that much, but usually have a copy on the Win10 setup. May require "Run as Admin" to give winpcap the authority to do promiscuous access on the Ethernet chip on the PC motherboard. An error number ending in 0005 or similar may indicate a "permissions problem" that Run as Admin can fix. Paul |
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VanguardLH wrote in :
Alan Holbrook wrote: computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached. That would be great advice, if a bit unnecessary, if I knew what the logon credentials for the session are. That's the issue. See above. |
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Paul wrote in news
Thanks, Paul, I'll try the format you suggested. |
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Alan Holbrook wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: Alan Holbrook wrote: computer requires authentication and it wants a username and password. I cannot for the life of me remember ever setting up anything on the network to require authentication, and no combination of usernames and passwords gets access. Can anyone help figure out what's going on here and how I can log on to the Win10 computer from On the Firestick, enter the logon credentials for the Windows session that is defined on the host to which the external disks are attached. That would be great advice, if a bit unnecessary, if I knew what the logon credentials for the session are. That's the issue. See above. Are the owner of the computer with the attached external drives? That person is the admin of that computer and should know what are the login credentials, or they can reset the password for a Windows account. |
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Alan Holbrook wrote in
. 4.130: Paul wrote in news Thanks, Paul, I'll try the format you suggested. Paul, that worked. Got authenticated and got logged on to the remote computer I needed to access. Thanks much for the help. |
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