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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
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Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servi ces\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message . .. I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
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Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servi ces\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message . .. I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]"
wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message .. . "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Serv ices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ....services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]"
wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message .. . "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Serv ices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ....services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:42:02 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]" wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message . .. "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message m... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Ser vices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ...services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM I spoke to soon. I shut off all three computers and the cable modem and the router. After startup the Win98SE is the master browser. I was hoping it would be the XP-Pro. I do not understand this because I did not change the Win98SE but I did change the registries of the two XPs. Also, network neighborhood works between the Win98SE and the wireless XP-Home laptop. But the XP-Pro only sees itself. (Except it can see the others PCs by the desktop shortcuts that use their computer names.) I will shut down everything overnight. Tomorrow I will post status of properties. Stan Hilliard |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:42:02 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]" wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message . .. "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message m... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Ser vices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ...services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM I spoke to soon. I shut off all three computers and the cable modem and the router. After startup the Win98SE is the master browser. I was hoping it would be the XP-Pro. I do not understand this because I did not change the Win98SE but I did change the registries of the two XPs. Also, network neighborhood works between the Win98SE and the wireless XP-Home laptop. But the XP-Pro only sees itself. (Except it can see the others PCs by the desktop shortcuts that use their computer names.) I will shut down everything overnight. Tomorrow I will post status of properties. Stan Hilliard |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:21:38 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:42:02 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]" wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message om... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Se rvices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ...services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM I spoke to soon. I shut off all three computers and the cable modem and the router. After startup the Win98SE is the master browser. I was hoping it would be the XP-Pro. I do not understand this because I did not change the Win98SE but I did change the registries of the two XPs. Also, network neighborhood works between the Win98SE and the wireless XP-Home laptop. But the XP-Pro only sees itself. (Except it can see the others PCs by the desktop shortcuts that use their computer names.) I will shut down everything overnight. Tomorrow I will post status of properties. Stan Hilliard I change the Win98SE master browser to disabled and the LM Announce to Yes to see if that would cause the SXP-Pro to become assume the role of master browser. It did not. So I changed the Win98SE settings back as they were. Starting after that, the XXP-Pro can see the Win98SE by using the desktop shortcut \\Win98SEname, but the Win98SE cannot see the XP-Pro by the same method. I found some startup errors in the logs of the XP-Pro PC. I list them below as they might be related to this problem with network neighborhood. I am sorry that the list is so long but I didn't know which ones to leave out. These are from: [start] [rt click--my computer] [management] [system tools] [event-viewer] [system] 0 ==== 00000000000000 Event Type: Warning Event Source: Server Event Category: None Event ID: 2511 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 8:52:48 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The server service was unable to recreate the share forum1-26 because the directory C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\tsamplingforum26 no longer exists. Please run "net share forum1-26 /delete" to delete the share, or recreate the directory C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\tsamplingforum26. (INSERTED NOTE: In the CMD window "net share forum1-26 /delete" produces: "This shared resource does not exist.") 1 ==== 1111111111111111 Event Type: Warning Event Source: Dhcp Event Category: None Event ID: 1003 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:27 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: Your computer was not able to renew its address from the network (from the DHCP Server) for the Network Card with network address 00508D8287D7. The following error occurred: The semaphore timeout period has expired. . Your computer will continue to try and obtain an address on its own from the network address (DHCP) server. Data: 0000: 79 00 00 00 y... 2 ==== 22222222222222 Event Type: Error Event Source: UPS Event Category: None Event ID: 2481 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:32 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The UPS service is not configured correctly. 3 ==== 33333333333333333333 Event Type: Information Event Source: WMPNetworkSvc Event Category: None Event ID: 14204 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:40 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: Service 'WMPNetworkSvc' started. 4 ==== 44444444444444 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Windows Driver Foundation - User-mode Driver Framework service terminated with the following error: A device attached to the system is not functioning. 5 ==== 55555555555555 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7000 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Upload Manager service failed to start due to the following error: The account specified for this service is different from the account specified for other services running in the same process. 6 ==== 66666666666666 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following error: The UPS service is not configured correctly. 7 ==== 77777777777777777777 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:48:27 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The QoS RSVP service entered the stopped state. 8 ==== 88888888888888888888 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:36 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Portable Media Serial Number Service service entered the stopped state. 9 ==== 99999999999999999999 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:45 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Computer Browser service entered the stopped state. 10 ==== 10 10 10 10 10 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:45 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Computer Browser service terminated with the following error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired. I would appreciate diagnosis of any of these errors. Stan Hilliard |
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Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:21:38 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:42:02 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:43:51 -0400, "Jack [MVP-Networking]" wrote: "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ... "Stan Hilliard" wrote in message om... I inserted messages below. On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard wrote: I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop. Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established? Here is the hardware configuration: Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem. Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC. Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2. Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop. Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see each other. Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can I change this situation? Stan Hilliard Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master browser". Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser? This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble. A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time. Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the laptop. Here are two ways to access another computer without using network browsing: 1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in this format, and click OK: \\computer I tried that and it worked. 2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the location of the item as: \\computer I have done that and it works. On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem" wrote: Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now? After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role. But they did not so far. Here are the other settings: Laptop: XP-Home: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled Win98SE: In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks Browser Master = Automatic XP-Pro: ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral Startup Type is Automatic Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network Neighborhood will work again? Stan Hilliard Hi Try this, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Se rvices\Browser\Parameters REG_SZ IsDomainMaster True or False" , Set it to True. Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) I made that change FALSE ---TRUE to the registry of the XP-Pro and the XP-Home laptop. The Win98SE register does not have ...services\browser\parameters. Still no master browser is shown. Here I what I have on the XP-Pro: From nbtstat -n: Local Area Connection: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.3] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- HOMEBUILT 00 UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP 00 GROUP Registered HOMEBUILT 03 UNIQUE Registered HOMEBUILT 20 UNIQUE Registered From IPconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : homebuilt Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IC Plus IP100 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-8D-82-87-D7 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:41:00 PM Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:41:00 PM I spoke to soon. I shut off all three computers and the cable modem and the router. After startup the Win98SE is the master browser. I was hoping it would be the XP-Pro. I do not understand this because I did not change the Win98SE but I did change the registries of the two XPs. Also, network neighborhood works between the Win98SE and the wireless XP-Home laptop. But the XP-Pro only sees itself. (Except it can see the others PCs by the desktop shortcuts that use their computer names.) I will shut down everything overnight. Tomorrow I will post status of properties. Stan Hilliard I change the Win98SE master browser to disabled and the LM Announce to Yes to see if that would cause the SXP-Pro to become assume the role of master browser. It did not. So I changed the Win98SE settings back as they were. Starting after that, the XXP-Pro can see the Win98SE by using the desktop shortcut \\Win98SEname, but the Win98SE cannot see the XP-Pro by the same method. I found some startup errors in the logs of the XP-Pro PC. I list them below as they might be related to this problem with network neighborhood. I am sorry that the list is so long but I didn't know which ones to leave out. These are from: [start] [rt click--my computer] [management] [system tools] [event-viewer] [system] 0 ==== 00000000000000 Event Type: Warning Event Source: Server Event Category: None Event ID: 2511 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 8:52:48 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The server service was unable to recreate the share forum1-26 because the directory C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\tsamplingforum26 no longer exists. Please run "net share forum1-26 /delete" to delete the share, or recreate the directory C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\tsamplingforum26. (INSERTED NOTE: In the CMD window "net share forum1-26 /delete" produces: "This shared resource does not exist.") 1 ==== 1111111111111111 Event Type: Warning Event Source: Dhcp Event Category: None Event ID: 1003 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:27 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: Your computer was not able to renew its address from the network (from the DHCP Server) for the Network Card with network address 00508D8287D7. The following error occurred: The semaphore timeout period has expired. . Your computer will continue to try and obtain an address on its own from the network address (DHCP) server. Data: 0000: 79 00 00 00 y... 2 ==== 22222222222222 Event Type: Error Event Source: UPS Event Category: None Event ID: 2481 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:32 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The UPS service is not configured correctly. 3 ==== 33333333333333333333 Event Type: Information Event Source: WMPNetworkSvc Event Category: None Event ID: 14204 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:40 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: Service 'WMPNetworkSvc' started. 4 ==== 44444444444444 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Windows Driver Foundation - User-mode Driver Framework service terminated with the following error: A device attached to the system is not functioning. 5 ==== 55555555555555 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7000 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Upload Manager service failed to start due to the following error: The account specified for this service is different from the account specified for other services running in the same process. 6 ==== 66666666666666 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:45:42 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following error: The UPS service is not configured correctly. 7 ==== 77777777777777777777 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:48:27 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The QoS RSVP service entered the stopped state. 8 ==== 88888888888888888888 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:36 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Portable Media Serial Number Service service entered the stopped state. 9 ==== 99999999999999999999 Event Type: Information Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7036 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:45 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Computer Browser service entered the stopped state. 10 ==== 10 10 10 10 10 Event Type: Error Event Source: Service Control Manager Event Category: None Event ID: 7023 Date: 6/14/2009 Time: 11:50:45 AM User: N/A Computer: HOMEBUILT Description: The Computer Browser service terminated with the following error: This operation returned because the timeout period expired. I would appreciate diagnosis of any of these errors. Stan Hilliard |
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