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The Real Truth MVP wrote:
Please David your ignorance and lack of knowledge is showing. You of all people should know that malware writes to that key and since the issue is there on EVERY boot if it gets deleted when run it gets put back in there and you are WRONG about when that key gets read. Oh My god.. Don't you have software to fix this? Go away. Nobody needs your help. 8-) -- JD.. |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in
: | When is wininit.ini processed? What OS are you referring to because NT based OS' don't use INI files. Everything is pretty much stored in the Registry and evaluated there. Since this was x-posted to a WinXP group, the answer is NEVER. Not to be argumentative, but you're saying these folks are incorrect? http://www.aumha.org/a/loads.php http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140570 While I don't run into it as much as I used to, I still do find XP systems that appear to be using wininit.ini for file deletions/renames on occasion. -- Rick Simon Include "spam(trap)key" somewhere in the body of any email to avoid spam filters. |
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From: "Rick"
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in | : | When is wininit.ini processed? What OS are you referring to because NT based OS' don't use INI files. Everything is pretty much stored in the Registry and evaluated there. Since this was x-posted to a WinXP group, the answer is NEVER. | Not to be argumentative, but you're saying these folks are incorrect? | http://www.aumha.org/a/loads.php | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140570 | While I don't run into it as much as I used to, I still do find XP systems | that appear to be using wininit.ini for file deletions/renames on occasion. Well the aumha article is for mostly Win9x/ME and the MS KB140570 is more for NT4 and Win9x/ME and you'll note mention of "Wininit.exe" which is NOT present in WinXP. So let me modify my NEVER answer to practically NEVER. Interpreting .INI files is an old construct that was used in Win9x/ME and and to a lesser degree in NT v3.5x and NT4 and thus *may* have some left over functionality in subsequent OS'. However for the most part, .INI files are no longer interpreted by the OS. Notice in the aumha article it states... "In Windows 2000 and XP, the WININIT.INI file, if existing, will be executed. However it is usually replaced by the “PendingFileRenameOperations” sub-key in the Registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager." This shows that for backwards compatibility Win2k and WinXP may interpret WININIT.INI but has been really replaced by Registry functionality. This will not affect Robin's problem as the message "INFECTION: DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ROBIN BIGNALL\COOKIES\INDEX.DAT COULD NOT BE REMOVED. FILE IS NO LONGER EXISTENT" occurs "before the logon screen" and would not be generated by such a process. This is presumed to be a security tool/utility in action. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in
: So let me modify my NEVER answer to practically NEVER. Interpreting .INI files is an old construct that was used in Win9x/ME and and to a lesser degree in NT v3.5x and NT4 and thus *may* have some left over functionality in subsequent OS'. However for the most part, .INI files are no longer interpreted by the OS. Yes, I'm aware of how .ini files have been used going back through Win3.x. Notice in the aumha article it states... "In Windows 2000 and XP, the WININIT.INI file, if existing, will be executed. However it is usually replaced by the “PendingFileRenameOperations” sub-key in the Registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager." This shows that for backwards compatibility Win2k and WinXP may interpret WININIT.INI but has been really replaced by Registry functionality. I'm also aware of how wininit.ini is just a hangover and there are other, preferred methods of doing the same thing. According to the aumha article however, even though it is not the preferred method, Win XP will execute the instructions in a wininit.ini file if one is found. This will not affect Robin's problem as the message "INFECTION: DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ROBIN BIGNALL\COOKIES\INDEX.DAT COULD NOT BE REMOVED. FILE IS NO LONGER EXISTENT" occurs "before the logon screen" and would not be generated by such a process. This is presumed to be a security tool/utility in action. And this is where my original question comes in. Just where in the boot process does wininit.ini get processed? Since the aumha article points out that: a) "WININIT.INI is used to complete Windows and program installation steps that cannot be completed while Windows is running" b) "During the boot process, Windows checks to see if there is a WININIT.INI file and, if it finds one, executes its instructions." c) and specifies that Windows XP will execute such a file, if it exists (assumedly to maintain backwards compatibility) I was just curious if anyone happened to know where in the boot process that execution was performed. Whether it was before or after the logon process. -- Rick Simon Include "spam(trap)key" somewhere in the body of any email to avoid spam filters. |
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From: "Rick"
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in | : So let me modify my NEVER answer to practically NEVER. Interpreting .INI files is an old construct that was used in Win9x/ME and and to a lesser degree in NT v3.5x and NT4 and thus *may* have some left over functionality in subsequent OS'. However for the most part, .INI files are no longer interpreted by the OS. | Yes, I'm aware of how .ini files have been used going back through Win3.x. Notice in the aumha article it states... "In Windows 2000 and XP, the WININIT.INI file, if existing, will be executed. However it is usually replaced by the “PendingFileRenameOperations” sub-key in the Registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager." This shows that for backwards compatibility Win2k and WinXP may interpret WININIT.INI but has been really replaced by Registry functionality. | I'm also aware of how wininit.ini is just a hangover and there are other, | preferred methods of doing the same thing. According to the aumha article | however, even though it is not the preferred method, Win XP will execute | the instructions in a wininit.ini file if one is found. This will not affect Robin's problem as the message "INFECTION: DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ROBIN BIGNALL\COOKIES\INDEX.DAT COULD NOT BE REMOVED. FILE IS NO LONGER EXISTENT" occurs "before the logon screen" and would not be generated by such a process. This is presumed to be a security tool/utility in action. | And this is where my original question comes in. Just where in the boot | process does wininit.ini get processed? Since the aumha article points out | that: | a) "WININIT.INI is used to complete Windows and program installation steps | that cannot be completed while Windows is running" | b) "During the boot process, Windows checks to see if there is a | WININIT.INI file and, if it finds one, executes its instructions." | c) and specifies that Windows XP will execute such a file, if it exists | (assumedly to maintain backwards compatibility) | I was just curious if anyone happened to know where in the boot process | that execution was performed. Whether it was before or after the logon | process. Rick I think you have a good point in that if the WININIT.INI file is found by the OS it will do a a file move/delete function "before the logon screen" which is 100% relevant to Robin's problem. However, this is a silent function. No screen displays and certainly not "INFECTION:...". Since you know this INI file and its directives, maybe you could create a test and see what it does. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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Robin Bignall wrote: [snip] John, Andy, thanks for the suggestions. I have checked autoruns. In fact, A-squared contains a very useful feature called Hijackfree which gives detailed information on what's present in 5 categories: processes, ports, autoruns, services and others. I don't see anything amiss. PCButts emailed me to make the sensible suggestion of checking the runonce registry entries. They're empty. The weird thing is where the message is coming from, since no executable on my system disk contains the string "infection". Dl and instal a free anti-virus program like Avira AntiVir and install it. Disable or uninstall your present anti-virus program (A-squared) Uninstall your anti-malware programs and install the free version of MalwareBytes AntiMalware. Use it to scan frequently. See if you have the same problem. If not, install each of the programs you uninstalled or disabled one at a time to see if you can find out which one causes the problem. I don't think you ever said you installed and ran the free version of MBAM (MalwareBytes Anti-Malware) and the free version of SAS (SuperAntiSpyware). If you didn't (this is a damn long thread) please do it. Buffalo |
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In alt.privacy.spyware, Buffalo wrote:
Disable or uninstall your present anti-virus program (A-squared) A² (A-Squared) is an anti-spyware program, not an anti-virus program. There should be no conflict with anything, assuming of course you don't set full-time scanners in action. http://www.emsisoft.com/en/ (pay) http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ (free) -- -bts -Friends don't let friends drive Windows |
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: In alt.privacy.spyware, Buffalo wrote: Disable or uninstall your present anti-virus program (A-squared) A² (A-Squared) is an anti-spyware program, not an anti-virus program. There should be no conflict with anything, assuming of course you don't set full-time scanners in action. http://www.emsisoft.com/en/ (pay) http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ (free) Right you are. Sorry. I now realize that Robin uses Kaspersky. Ok, Robin, disable or uninstall Kaspersky and use the free version of Avira AntiVir temporarily.\ Since even Lipman can't nail it, please post back on what program is causing the message. Thanks, Buffalo |
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From: "Buffalo"
| Right you are. Sorry. | I now realize that Robin uses Kaspersky. | Ok, Robin, disable or uninstall Kaspersky and use the free version of Avira | AntiVir temporarily.\ | Since even Lipman can't nail it, please post back on what program is causing | the message. | Thanks, | Buffalo Robin has already indicated NUMEROUS anti malware scans have been performewd with nothing being found. We do NOT know what security program is generating this message. That is the problem. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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David H. Lipman wrote: From: "Buffalo" Right you are. Sorry. I now realize that Robin uses Kaspersky. Ok, Robin, disable or uninstall Kaspersky and use the free version of Avira AntiVir temporarily.\ Since even Lipman can't nail it, please post back on what program is causing the message. Thanks, Buffalo Robin has already indicated NUMEROUS anti malware scans have been performewd with nothing being found. We do NOT know what security program is generating this message. That is the problem. That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo |
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:59:57 -0700, "Buffalo"
wrote: David H. Lipman wrote: From: "Buffalo" Right you are. Sorry. I now realize that Robin uses Kaspersky. Ok, Robin, disable or uninstall Kaspersky and use the free version of Avira AntiVir temporarily.\ Since even Lipman can't nail it, please post back on what program is causing the message. Thanks, Buffalo Robin has already indicated NUMEROUS anti malware scans have been performewd with nothing being found. We do NOT know what security program is generating this message. That is the problem. That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo Just to save you reading back in the thread, I have SAS Pro, which is not free, and MBAM, which is. I also run ActiveScan 2, which was recommended, together with Kaspersky, by AumHa. I don't intend to through the process of uninstalling Kaspersky. -- Robin (BrE) Herts, England |
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Robin Bignall wrote: [snip] That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo Just to save you reading back in the thread, I have SAS Pro, which is not free, and MBAM, which is. I also run ActiveScan 2, which was recommended, together with Kaspersky, by AumHa. I don't intend to through the process of uninstalling Kaspersky. OK, missed that point. If you disable Kaspersky and just use the free Avira AntiVir and no message comes up, perhaps it is Kaspersky doing it. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the trouble overall. Buffalo PS: If you ever find out what it is, please post back. |
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:27:55 -0700, "Buffalo"
wrote: Robin Bignall wrote: [snip] That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo Just to save you reading back in the thread, I have SAS Pro, which is not free, and MBAM, which is. I also run ActiveScan 2, which was recommended, together with Kaspersky, by AumHa. I don't intend to through the process of uninstalling Kaspersky. OK, missed that point. If you disable Kaspersky and just use the free Avira AntiVir and no message comes up, perhaps it is Kaspersky doing it. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the trouble overall. Buffalo PS: If you ever find out what it is, please post back. I certainly will. -- Robin (BrE) Herts, England |
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:13:51 +0000, Robin Bignall
wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:27:55 -0700, "Buffalo" wrote: Robin Bignall wrote: [snip] That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo Just to save you reading back in the thread, I have SAS Pro, which is not free, and MBAM, which is. I also run ActiveScan 2, which was recommended, together with Kaspersky, by AumHa. I don't intend to through the process of uninstalling Kaspersky. OK, missed that point. If you disable Kaspersky and just use the free Avira AntiVir and no message comes up, perhaps it is Kaspersky doing it. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the trouble overall. Buffalo PS: If you ever find out what it is, please post back. I certainly will. I'm running Avira now. -- Robin (BrE) Herts, England |
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:41:55 +0000, Robin Bignall
wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:13:51 +0000, Robin Bignall wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:27:55 -0700, "Buffalo" wrote: Robin Bignall wrote: [snip] That is why I recommended that he disable or uninstall his anti-virus and anti-malware programs and install Avira AntiVir and free MBAM and hopefully the free SAS. ( I don't think he ever said that he tried them both) If the above doesn't change things, then that would indicate a different security program causing the problem. Buffalo Just to save you reading back in the thread, I have SAS Pro, which is not free, and MBAM, which is. I also run ActiveScan 2, which was recommended, together with Kaspersky, by AumHa. I don't intend to through the process of uninstalling Kaspersky. OK, missed that point. If you disable Kaspersky and just use the free Avira AntiVir and no message comes up, perhaps it is Kaspersky doing it. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the trouble overall. Buffalo PS: If you ever find out what it is, please post back. I certainly will. I'm running Avira now. And it found nothing. -- Robin (BrE) Herts, England |
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