BitMeter2, Help!! Yellow

In article , Andy Burns
wrote:


BTW, my grandmother was more familiar with paint (subtractive color
mixing) where yellow IS a primary color.

What I remember of poster paints at primary school, is that all mixtures
tend towards brown

that's why printers are cmyk, not cmy (although canon tried that once).

On 08/09/2018 12:20 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:

BTW, my grandmother was more familiar with paint (subtractive color
mixing) where yellow IS a primary color.

What I remember of poster paints at primary school, is that all mixtures
tend towards brown

I noticed that too, although I called it "dirty gray" rather than brown.

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Dictionary, 1764

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:21 +0100,
Unsteadyken wrote:

In article , NONONOmisc07
says...
But what does YELLOW mean?

Go to settings; Appearance: colours: and it is explained that Yellow
indicates Overlap, which is the colour used to draw the parts of the
main graph where upload and download bars overlap

You're right.

I guess I can't fault them for not putting Yellow in Help. Everyone
hates to write the Help file.

But it's strange. For the first week, all I had was green and red and
maybe a tiny bit of yellow. Then it switched to yellow and red and no
green, and it's been that way ever since. Maybe that means no
interruption in my internet -- checking that was the second reason I got
this. (In the past there have been 10 second, 30 second and about 3
minute interruptions, in DSL, fairly frequently for no apparent reason,
though it could be Verizon or it could be something about the wiring
I've put in. The wiring is buried by papers, boxes, clothes etc. and I
won't know what's wierd about it until I clean up. But I don't touch
these things and now matter how bad it is, it's still strange that the
connection comes and goes. Also there is sometimes hum on he phone
lilne. Long periods of no hum, someetimes a little hum, or more hum,
and sometimes so much hum neither of us can hear the other. Even though
I don't touch the wires. I think maybe the guy in the townhouse next
door does something and a coil of wire in my phone line picks it up, if
there actually is a coil -- I forget. )

But it's a very impressive program, especially for free (If I use it
more than a little, I'll send him some money.)

So far I'm up to 23 gigs this month so 5 gigs from the phone will only
last 6 days. Still plenty.

Thanks, and thanks Andy and Paul.

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:21 +0100,
Unsteadyken wrote:

In article , NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com says...
But what does YELLOW mean?

Go to settings; Appearance: colours: and it is explained that Yellow
indicates Overlap, which is the colour used to draw the parts of the
main graph where upload and download bars overlap

You're right.

I guess I can't fault them for not putting Yellow in Help. Everyone
hates to write the Help file.

But it's strange. For the first week, all I had was green and red and
maybe a tiny bit of yellow. Then it switched to yellow and red and no
green, and it's been that way ever since. Maybe that means no
interruption in my internet -- checking that was the second reason I got
this. (In the past there have been 10 second, 30 second and about 3
minute interruptions, in DSL, fairly frequently for no apparent reason,
though it could be Verizon or it could be something about the wiring
I've put in. The wiring is buried by papers, boxes, clothes etc. and I
won't know what's wierd about it until I clean up. But I don't touch
these things and now matter how bad it is, it's still strange that the
connection comes and goes. Also there is sometimes hum on he phone
lilne. Long periods of no hum, someetimes a little hum, or more hum,
and sometimes so much hum neither of us can hear the other. Even though
I don't touch the wires. I think maybe the guy in the townhouse next
door does something and a coil of wire in my phone line picks it up, if
there actually is a coil -- I forget. )

But it's a very impressive program, especially for free (If I use it
more than a little, I'll send him some money.)

So far I'm up to 23 gigs this month so 5 gigs from the phone will only
last 6 days. Still plenty.

Thanks, and thanks Andy and Paul.

They should be able to buzz out the line from
their end (using automation from their end).
This works for a certain set of failure conditions.

At my house, I removed the wires leading to the
"network" of existing wires, then routed a four wire
cable from the basement demarc, to the room with the phone
and modem. And that improved both the POTS characteristics
and also the ADSL characteristics. (Initially I did that,
when my 56K dialup modem would only connect at 33K on
downloads. There was a corroded baseboard telephone connector.)

It can easily be the house part of the wiring
at fault.

I've since switched to VOIP to save money, so there's no
dial tone on the line and the line is termed a "dry line".
As it only has ADSL on it. The ADSL starts at 26KHz in
this diagram, making it "above" hearing range if the
signal got into a phone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...uency_plan.svg

If any frequency bin is impaired, the other frequency bins
still work.

On some ADSL modems, the DMT utility telnets into the modem
and collects statistics. And that allows you to see whether
any frequency bins are impaired. The higher the SNR margin,
the fewer errors in the transmission, but also the
data rate cap can be set too low, in an attempt to
manifest a "really good" SNR margin. People used to collect
those graphs, for the purpose of contacting Tech Support
and having the cap raised a bit. For example, it was popular
where I live, to be paying for 5Mbit/sec ADSL, and only receive
3Mbit/sec ADSL, with the line artificially dialed down
"for my protection". If I were to access DMT and show them there
was plenty of SNR margin, then they might raise it to 4Mbit/sec
from 3Mbit/sec.

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessub...250db1d6f4.jpg

DMT software might appear to come in "many versions",
like DMT7, DMT8, DMT9. But in fact those exist for
separate manufacturers. So maybe version 8 is for
Thompson ADSL modems.

If I were to upgrade the firmware on my modem,
a newer firmware actually removed the DMT feature,
so I'd no longer be able to draw that graph.

Even dialup modems collect the same (frequency bin)
data. Just over a different range of frequencies
and bins. Dialup modem data becomes available after
the session ends, and you deliver the correct command
to the modem to get the data values. You then draw
your own graph (there isn't usually a tool for
the purpose).

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 9 Aug 2018 12:15:21 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 08/08/2018 04:27 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

what does YELLOW mean?

The overlap of green and red?

I think we covered that in the 2nd grade and it doesn't work that way.

it's software, it can obey the rules for mixing pigments, or the rules
for mixing light (where red+green does equal yellow), or it could invent
its own rules and have flashing cyan/magenta for the overlap if it
wanted to.

It could, although that would be less obvious than yelllow being a mix
of red and green.

BTW, my grandmother was more familiar with paint (subtractive color
mixing) where yellow IS a primary color.

Your grandmother and I would probably get along fine.