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  #16  
Old October 3rd 06, 02:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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ballelars wrote:
Bruce, this is good information. However, how does one get to know which
changes are to be made in the registry using regedit?


Generally, by carefully following the instructions provided in relevant
Knowledge Base Articles, etc. It's a learning process.


At present my Help and Support, and my System restore etc. do not function -
could this be due to registry problems?



Possibly. If I remember correctly, when WinXP was first released,
there was one registry "cleaner" whose use invariably caused this very
problem. Can't remember the name of it, though.... Don't even know if
it's still on the market.


When I click Help in the popup start menu I get a message that Windows
cannot find 'helpctr.exe' - I have located it to
C:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpctr.exe - so why can't Windows find
it there?


That makes it sounds like your Path Statement is screwed up, and
lacking the normal entries for WinXP's system folders. Therefoe, WinXP
doesn't know how to find the applications.

It should look something like this:

%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\Sy stem32\Wbem

To edit the Path, right-click My Computer Properties Advanced
Environmental Variables. In the System Variables windows, highlight
"Path" and click the Edit button.


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  #17  
Old October 3rd 06, 03:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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BobN wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:01:03 -0700, ballelars wrote:

Bruce, this is good information. However, how does one get to know which
changes are to be made in the registry using regedit?

At present my Help and Support, and my System restore etc. do not function -
could this be due to registry problems?

When I click Help in the popup start menu I get a message that Windows
cannot find 'helpctr.exe' - I have located it to
C:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpctr.exe - so why can't Windows find
it there?

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

Flowerlady wrote:
How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.

Why do you think you need to clean your registry?

What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some
program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be
fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is
rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after
backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are
causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will
do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry
entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an
automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.



--

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell


Forget regedit. That is the worst advice that can be given to a computer
user. Not one person in 100 can safely use regedit for exactly the reason
you mention. What exactly do you do? There are several free registry
cleaners availble. Install and run. You do not have to do anything. Take
a look at the results. Then you can post with further questions.




Are you deliberately trying to destroy someone's computer? If a
computer user lacks the knowledge and experience to maintain his/her
registry by him/herself, then he/she also lacks the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
  #18  
Old October 3rd 06, 09:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
ballelars
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Hi Bruce - that's exactly how the path looks when I check it - som the
problem must lie elsewhere. Rest assured: I am NOT going to make further
cleansing of my registry.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

ballelars wrote:
Bruce, this is good information. However, how does one get to know which
changes are to be made in the registry using regedit?


Generally, by carefully following the instructions provided in relevant
Knowledge Base Articles, etc. It's a learning process.


At present my Help and Support, and my System restore etc. do not function -
could this be due to registry problems?



Possibly. If I remember correctly, when WinXP was first released,
there was one registry "cleaner" whose use invariably caused this very
problem. Can't remember the name of it, though.... Don't even know if
it's still on the market.


When I click Help in the popup start menu I get a message that Windows
cannot find 'helpctr.exe' - I have located it to
C:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpctr.exe - so why can't Windows find
it there?


That makes it sounds like your Path Statement is screwed up, and
lacking the normal entries for WinXP's system folders. Therefoe, WinXP
doesn't know how to find the applications.

It should look something like this:

%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\Sy stem32\Wbem

To edit the Path, right-click My Computer Properties Advanced
Environmental Variables. In the System Variables windows, highlight
"Path" and click the Edit button.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

  #19  
Old October 3rd 06, 07:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BobN
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:12:39 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote:

BobN wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:01:03 -0700, ballelars wrote:

Bruce, this is good information. However, how does one get to know which
changes are to be made in the registry using regedit?

At present my Help and Support, and my System restore etc. do not function -
could this be due to registry problems?

When I click Help in the popup start menu I get a message that Windows
cannot find 'helpctr.exe' - I have located it to
C:\windows\pchealth\helpctr\binaries\helpctr.exe - so why can't Windows find
it there?

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

Flowerlady wrote:
How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.

Why do you think you need to clean your registry?

What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some
program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be
fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is
rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after
backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are
causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will
do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry
entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an
automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell


Forget regedit. That is the worst advice that can be given to a computer
user. Not one person in 100 can safely use regedit for exactly the reason
you mention. What exactly do you do? There are several free registry
cleaners availble. Install and run. You do not have to do anything. Take
a look at the results. Then you can post with further questions.




Are you deliberately trying to destroy someone's computer? If a
computer user lacks the knowledge and experience to maintain his/her
registry by him/herself, then he/she also lacks the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner


With help from you, the problem will never be solved. The many millions of
us, yes millions, who use registry cleaners fortunately are not dependant
upon people like you who provide no solutions to solving registry problems.
Registry cleaners are a better solution than doing nothing or using
regedit.
  #20  
Old October 4th 06, 02:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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BobN wrote:


With help from you, the problem will never be solved. The many millions of
us, yes millions, who use registry cleaners fortunately are not dependant
upon people like you who provide no solutions to solving registry problems.



How is telling the OP to learn to safely edit the registry *not*
providing a lasting solution?


Registry cleaners are a better solution than doing nothing or using
regedit.



Well, I will admit that I do derive a steady, comfortable income
repairing the machines on which those alleged "millions" have foolishly
used registry cleaners. So, from that point of view, I guess one could
say that they're "good."


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  #21  
Old October 4th 06, 02:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BobN
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:01:47 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote:

BobN wrote:


With help from you, the problem will never be solved. The many millions of
us, yes millions, who use registry cleaners fortunately are not dependant
upon people like you who provide no solutions to solving registry problems.



How is telling the OP to learn to safely edit the registry *not*
providing a lasting solution?


Did you tell him exactly HOW to "learn to safely edit the registry?"

Registry cleaners are a better solution than doing nothing or using
regedit.



Well, I will admit that I do derive a steady, comfortable income
repairing the machines on which those alleged "millions" have foolishly
used registry cleaners. So, from that point of view, I guess one could
say that they're "good."


Sure you do.
  #22  
Old October 5th 06, 05:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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BobN wrote:

Did you tell him exactly HOW to "learn to safely edit the registry?"


Yes, in fact.


Sure you do.



Yes, I do. In fact, if I had less of a conscience, I'd advice people
to use registry cleaners; they're that good a revenue generator. (In
fact, that's the only reason I can imagine any experienced technician
ever advising their use to the average user.)


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
  #23  
Old October 5th 06, 07:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Edward W. Thompson
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
BobN wrote:

Did you tell him exactly HOW to "learn to safely edit the registry?"


Yes, in fact.


Sure you do.



Yes, I do. In fact, if I had less of a conscience, I'd advice people to
use registry cleaners; they're that good a revenue generator. (In fact,
that's the only reason I can imagine any experienced technician ever
advising their use to the average user.)


--

Bruce Chambers

snip

Although you are correct that the benefits of running a Registry Cleaner in
WINXP are doubtful, I certainly do not agree with you over your blanket
statements that suggest they will damage the Registry in a catastrophic way
to leave the machine 'unbootable'. You make this statement at regular
intervals but as far as I know, have not offered any evidence other than 'in
your experience'. It appears that other peoples opinion differ.
Individual cases prove nothing. I have had one case where a particular
program required an empty key that the 'Cleaner' I used would recommend to
delete. That was hardly catastrophic as the OS certainly was not damaged
and once that 'problem' was known it was simple to avoid.
If you can cite a specific case, say Product X when run on WINXP Home will
result in the following problem with the OS then your criticisms will have
credibility. That is please cite a problem caused by a Registry Cleaner
that results in damage to the OS and can be replicated on otherr machines.
Better still please provide the names of Registry Cleaner programs that when
installed on a machine with only WINXP installed will damage the Registry to
the extent the machine will no longer boot or remain functional. We will
agree that the Registry Cleaner will no doubt suggest removal of a large
number of Registry entries but maybe expereinec has shown these entries are
not required anyway.


  #24  
Old October 5th 06, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BobN
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:04:05 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote:

BobN wrote:

Did you tell him exactly HOW to "learn to safely edit the registry?"


Yes, in fact.


Sure you do.



Yes, I do. In fact, if I had less of a conscience, I'd advice people
to use registry cleaners; they're that good a revenue generator. (In
fact, that's the only reason I can imagine any experienced technician
ever advising their use to the average user.)


Your presumptive arrogance has become more than tedious. Since you do not
use these programs, what gives you the right to say anything about them?
Literally millions of people use these programs without ill effect. Your
canned cant about using regedit is ridiculous for the vast majority of
users. They would be much better off and safer to use registry cleaners
that have been used for many years.
  #25  
Old October 6th 06, 02:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Edward W. Thompson wrote:


Although you are correct that the benefits of running a Registry Cleaner in
WINXP are doubtful, I certainly do not agree with you over your blanket
statements that suggest they will damage the Registry in a catastrophic way
to leave the machine 'unbootable'.



I've never made such a blanket claim. They won't always leave the
machine unbootable, but they sometimes do. They don't always cause a
problem at all. But, because they provide absolutely *NO* bwenefit, why
take the chance?


You make this statement at regular
intervals ....



Because the question is asked frequently...


but as far as I know, have not offered any evidence other than 'in
your experience'.



What better evidense is there then years of first-hand observation?


It appears that other peoples opinion differ.



A very few people, yes, and they're free to express their opinions.
(Although I will submit that I've never met an experienced,
knowledgeable technician who recommends that the average user use
registry "cleaners.")


Individual cases prove nothing. I have had one case where a particular
program required an empty key that the 'Cleaner' I used would recommend to
delete. That was hardly catastrophic as the OS certainly was not damaged
and once that 'problem' was known it was simple to avoid.



Ah! One (worthless, by your own description) example of a registry
cleaner causing a problem, which fortunately wasn't catastrophic.
What's your point, then, if "individual cases prove nothing?"


If you can cite a specific case, say Product X when run on WINXP Home will
result in the following problem with the OS then your criticisms will have
credibility. That is please cite a problem caused by a Registry Cleaner
that results in damage to the OS and can be replicated on otherr machines.
Better still please provide the names of Registry Cleaner programs that when
installed on a machine with only WINXP installed will damage the Registry to
the extent the machine will no longer boot or remain functional. We will
agree that the Registry Cleaner will no doubt suggest removal of a large
number of Registry entries but maybe expereinec has shown these entries are
not required anyway.



I never claimed that every registry cleaner caused problems,
catastrophic or otherwise, every single time. That's your
misinterpretation. I simply warn people that the potential for trouble
is there, and not worth the risk, as registry cleaners are no better
than snake oil. If you want a list of registry cleaners that do
absolutely no good, and have the potential for causing harm to the OS,
use Google; I've better things to do then copy the list for you.


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  #26  
Old October 6th 06, 01:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
axm
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Mr Bruce:
Your advise to avoid Registry Cleaner software is sound, especially for
people who are not initiated in the mysteries of the Windows XP
registry. I suggest people wanting to use registry cleaner software
first run regedit, look up all the huge data stored there, then decide
for themselves if they would like to invite a stranger do the cleanup.
Probably if they find the stranger having proper credentials, they may
just decide to let him do his job. You may just leave your contact
number floating around for them to make the next call.
Actually, if a person is not in the habit of installing and
uninstalling programs, he doesn't need a registry cleaner. But if he
does test software and discard them in quick succession, then probably
he knows how to safely run a registry cleaner.
What they will really benefit from is when they install a good and free
anti-virus program like Avast! that will prevent all sorts of malacious
websites from installing rogue programs on the system - that will in
turn need registry cleaners after they are removed.

  #27  
Old May 12th 08, 09:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Flowerlady" wrote:

How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.
--
Flowerlady

  #28  
Old May 12th 08, 11:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Kayman[_6_]
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 01:11:01 -0700, farshid wrote:

"Flowerlady" wrote:

How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.


AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Note the comments from Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning ERUNT.

This should clean up yor OS:

CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls, application
MRUs, etc. ...
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck "Windows Defender".

Download David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV.EXE from the URL:
http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
English:
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/...irus-for-free/

To use this utility, perform the following...
Execute; Multi_AV.exe {Note: You must use the default folder C:\AV-CLS}
Choose; Unzip
Choose; Close

Execute; C:\AV-CLS\StartMenu.BAT
{or Double-click on 'Start Menu' in C:\AV-CLS}

NOTE: You may have to disable your software FireWall or allow WGET.EXE to
go through your FireWall to allow it to download the needed AV vendor
related files.

C:\AV-CLS\StartMenu.BAT -- {or Double-click on 'Start Menu' in C:\AV-CLS}
This will bring up the initial menu of choices and should be executed in
Normal Mode.
This way all the components can be downloaded from each AV vendor's web
site.
The choices are; Sophos, Trend, McAfee, Kaspersky, Exit this menu and
Reboot the PC.

You can choose to go to each menu item and just download the needed files
or you can download the files and perform a scan in Normal Mode. Once you
have downloaded the files needed for each scanner you want to use, you
should reboot the PC into Safe Mode [F8 key during boot] and re-run the
menu again and choose which scanner you want to run in Safe
Mode. It is suggested to run the scanners in both Safe Mode and Normal
Mode.

When the menu is displayed hitting 'H' or 'h' will bring up a more
comprehensive PDF help file.

Additional Instructions:
http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm
  #29  
Old May 12th 08, 01:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Tony Meloche[_4_]
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"Flowerlady" wrote:

How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.
--
Flowerlady



As a good general rule - you don't. If there is some bit or piece
command of an uninstalled program in the Registry that you KNOW is
causing a specific problem (doubtful) use Regedit to find all references
to it, and delete each one manually. But it's very rare to even have to
do that. Think of it this way:

You "deleted" a blouse from your clothes closet, but a button from the
blouse is still on the top shelf of your closest. It is hurting
*nothing*, it is taking up almost *zero* space - ignore it. The
difference is, if you do throw that button out, you can't hurt anything.
If you go looking for stray buttons - or use a program to find the
stray buttons - in the Registry, you can very easily hurt a lot of
things (even hose your computer).

Don't mess with "Registry Cleaners"

Tony


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Old May 12th 08, 09:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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microsoft recommends
this one and i as well:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm

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"Flowerlady" wrote:

How do I do a registry cleanup? I seem to have bits and pieces of old
programs, that have been uninstalled, in my pc. I would like to clean it up.
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