Sending a word file via email, etc.

On 5/12/2020 11:45 AM, micky wrote:

4) And finally, why did they stop putting the name of the program you're
in in the upper left corner of the screen? It is so annoying to get on
my brother's computer by Team Viewer and not know what programs he's
using. They move Help/About too, so I can't find out that way. What's
wrong with those people? Even on my own computer, when some webbrowser
stawrts on its own, I don't know which one it is!


They? If by "they," you mean Microsoft, it has nothing to do with
Microsoft. It's the particular that does or doesn't do this.



--
Ken

On 5/12/2020 2:01 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| I just said No, but later I looked at Word 2007 and it has options to
| send as email, email pdf, email xps, internet Fax?, and to bluetooth.
|

You can send from Word, in which case the recipient
gets an HTML email full of nonsense HTML that probably
won't look right except in Outlook.

You can also just attach a DOC or DOCX, like you would
any other file.

Or you can be civilized and send plain text. It drives me
crazy when people send me a DOC or DOCX just to send
2 paragraphs of text. Then I have to fire up Libre Office,
take out the text, paste it into Notepad, save it, and
delete the ridiculously bloated DOC(X) file.
If it's supposed to be lawyer's stationery then save it to
PDF. If it's text then send text. The only reason to ever
send DOC(X) would be some kind of school paper or essay
that's being sent for editing.


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?


--
Ken

On 5/13/2020 7:43 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/12/2020 11:45 AM, micky wrote:

4) And finally, why did they stop putting the name of the program you're
in in the upper left corner of the screen? It is so annoying to get on
my brother's computer by Team Viewer and not know what programs he's
using. They move Help/About too, so I can't find out that way. What's
wrong with those people? Even on my own computer, when some webbrowser
stawrts on its own, I don't know which one it is!


They? If by "they," you mean Microsoft, it has nothing to do with
Microsoft. It's the particular that does or doesn't do this.



Sorry, I omitted a word - "...particular *program* that does or doesn't
do this."


--
Ken

On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.


--
Ken

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:18:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.

True but, in my experience, Malware Bytes is over the top and it
occasionally stops attachments that I want to receive.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

On 13/05/2020 15:56, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/12/2020 2:01 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| I just said No, but later I looked at Word 2007 and it has options to
| send as email, email pdf, email xps, internet Fax?, and to bluetooth.
|

Â*Â* You can send from Word, in which case the recipient
gets an HTML email full of nonsense HTML that probably
won't look right except in Outlook.

Â*Â* You can also just attach a DOC or DOCX, like you would
any other file.

Â*Â* Or you can be civilized and send plain text. It drives me
crazy when people send me a DOC or DOCX just to send
2 paragraphs of text. Then I have to fire up Libre Office,
take out the text, paste it into Notepad, save it, and
delete the ridiculously bloated DOC(X) file.
Â*Â* If it's supposed to be lawyer's stationery then save it to
PDF. If it's text then send text. The only reason to ever
send DOC(X) would be some kind of school paper or essay
that's being sent for editing.


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

How do people share files with you? Also the vector of delivering files
doesn't change the need for anti-malware software.

micky wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
micky wrote:
My brother asked me this question.

When you've written something in Word or some other word
processor, is there a one- or two-step way to email it to
someone?

he uses gmail from a webbrowser,

So, since he has a google account, he could use google docs as his word

Thanks for the suggestion but this is my brother. He could do lots of
things but he's 80 years old, doesn't like computers, and he wants to do
what I'm trying to enable him to do.

Well; you haven't made it crystal clear what we are working w/ here. It
would be useful to know if his OS is Win10 or some other Win. It would
be useful to know which word processor he is using.

It is somewhat useful to know that he is 80 & doesn't like computers,
whatever that means. I had a friend who was over 80 and he preferred to
compose his email in html and he wasn't particularly interested in my
personal preference of plaintext. It was important to him that during
his composition he could underline or bold or colorize his text. It was
immaterial to him that I would generally be rendering whatever he
created into plaintext without those features.

I would assume that your brother feels the same way about his text
formatting. I would further assume that for some reason he doesn't like
the smart compose word processor function of gmail as opposed to some
other unknown word processor's user interface. It is possible the 'word
processor' he prefers is something as modest as WordPad.

Personally, if I were wanting the 'simplest' user interface possible
while using a computer I didn't like, I would choose plaintext over a
word processor. And I would prefer some other user interface for my
plaintext composition to that of gmail's.

processor and it has a 'send as email attachment' function. One step.

Otherwise, if he prefers to use some other word processor, then he could
save the file and use gmail webmail to attach it to an email. Two steps.

Not the way I've been counting. Switch to browswer, open new tab, open
gmail.com, start email, click on paper clip, navigate to desired
attachment. 5 or 6 steps. If Affixa works, I'll soon know how many
steps that is but I expect it's one or two.

Well; it is *ONLY* one or two steps if someone else is going to
download, install, and configure Affixa for him. If he is already in
his word processor and also already in gmail, one could subtract some of
your steps above. I suspect that he reads someone's email and he wants
to reply to it using some word processor, so it is a matter of task
switching.

Affixa requires Win7 up, NET 3.5 up, and installation and configuration.
It opens and starts gmail starts an email composition w/ the
attachment, because it makes itself be the default email agent.

It also isn't yet clear to me how the 'preference' for gmail works. It
is one thing to want to use gmail to receive mail but not compose in it.
But it is yet another thing to want to use gmail as a mechanism to
send a missive which one has composed elsewhere.

We haven't addressed the issue here of the 'structure' of his
compositions. For example, if *I* were going to be using gmail to reply
to someone's email I had received in gmail, I would want to be putting
my replies into the context of their mail to me in plaintext.

So, I would be rendering any html mail into plaintext by gmail's option,
then copying that and pasting it into another text editor which I prefer
over gmail's. Then I would be editing my replies inline and then
c&p/ing that back into gmail to send.

But still, thanks.

Well; you have your ideas about how he should do it, but those ideas may
be springing from your own ideas rather than what might suit him best if
he had some options which you haven't thought of yet.



--
Mike Easter

On 5/13/2020 11:40 AM, Chris wrote:
On 13/05/2020 15:56, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/12/2020 2:01 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| I just said No, but later I looked at Word 2007 and it has options to
| send as email, email pdf, email xps, internet Fax?, and to bluetooth.
|

Â*Â* You can send from Word, in which case the recipient
gets an HTML email full of nonsense HTML that probably
won't look right except in Outlook.

Â*Â* You can also just attach a DOC or DOCX, like you would
any other file.

Â*Â* Or you can be civilized and send plain text. It drives me
crazy when people send me a DOC or DOCX just to send
2 paragraphs of text. Then I have to fire up Libre Office,
take out the text, paste it into Notepad, save it, and
delete the ridiculously bloated DOC(X) file.
Â*Â* If it's supposed to be lawyer's stationery then save it to
PDF. If it's text then send text. The only reason to ever
send DOC(X) would be some kind of school paper or essay
that's being sent for editing.


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

How do people share files with you?


Again except for the few people I mentioned, they don't. I don't want
them to.

Also the vector of delivering files
doesn't change the need for anti-malware software.


Right.



--
Ken

"Ken Blake" wrote

| With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
| with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
| e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
| knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?
|
That's another good point. Though I don't worry
so much with MSO files because I don't have MSO.
And I have a script to convert DOC to TXT. But with
DOCX it's too much trouble to use anything but
Libre Office.

For someone who has MSO it could be a very risky
thing to do.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 18:31:28 +0100, Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:18:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

The recipient in this case knows it's coming and actually asked for it.

I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.

True but, in my experience, Malware Bytes is over the top and it
occasionally stops attachments that I want to receive.

Is there a way to get a stopped attachment anyhow?

I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.

Steve

On Wed, 13 May 2020 22:52:09 -0400, micky
wrote:

I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.

No, they don't. I think you used the 30-day free trial of the Pro version,
so after that expires there should be a way to go back to the free version.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 07:59:45 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 7:43 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/12/2020 11:45 AM, micky wrote:

4) And finally, why did they stop putting the name of the program you're
in in the upper left corner of the screen? It is so annoying to get on
my brother's computer by Team Viewer and not know what programs he's
using. They move Help/About too, so I can't find out that way. What's
wrong with those people? Even on my own computer, when some webbrowser
stawrts on its own, I don't know which one it is!


They? If by "they," you mean Microsoft, it has nothing to do with
Microsoft. It's the particular that does or doesn't do this.



Sorry, I omitted a word - "...particular *program* that does or doesn't
do this."

Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
when I don't know what program I'm in.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 18:31:28 +0100, Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

snip
I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.


Nope. It reverts to an on demand scanner rather than resident & is still
free.

--
Regards
wasbit

On Wed, 13 May 2020 22:52:09 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 18:31:28 +0100, Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:18:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

The recipient in this case knows it's coming and actually asked for it.

I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.

True but, in my experience, Malware Bytes is over the top and it
occasionally stops attachments that I want to receive.

Is there a way to get a stopped attachment anyhow?


Yes.

I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.


That's correct but I think it's worth it.


--
http://www.npsnn.com