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#16
June 7th 20, 06:42 PM
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 12:13:34 +0100, Apd wrote:
You had to change charset to UTF-8 to do that. My plain-text editor won't handle it as you can see. Far preferable to use only ASCII in newsgroup posts. I use '-' or '*' for bullet points, e.g: - one - two - three * one * two * three Hi Apd, I agree with you that normal ASCII characters are best... - And I agree that "common" bullet items may be dash, star, dot, or oh. Mostly I have problems when I cut-and-paste from web articles - Where I have longstanding issues with cutting & pasting of "curly" quotes Pasting of so-called "smart quotes" have come up before in our newsgroup - Which also includes the special "long dash" web sites love to use. Given I often cut and paste verbatim quotes, particularly on Apple ngs - Even Apple MacRumors uses a "special" character when they write 'iPhone' Rest assured, we've covered this exact topic many times... - Where there are variables on my side, the server side, & on your side Where, you'll note, my posts are highly detailed, and well researched - Such that I'm doing a _lot_ of editing (where the power of vi is good!) Such that, I agree, the "common" ASCII characters are best on Usenet - If what we want is all our characters to show up as we typed them. I don't know of you, but your response seems to be that of an adult - Hence I will respond to you differently than I did to Roger Blake The worthless pieces of **** like Roger Blake is, don't deserve an adult response simply because they have no intention of _ever_ being an adult on Usenet; they are only on Usenet for their own amusement - which is easily shown by the fact they can't add value to any post on Usenet. Given the worthless pieces of **** like Roger Blake post purely for their amusement, I don't, as a rule, respond to them when they don't attack me; and when they attack me, I simply instantly defend myself. In summary, ignore the *worthless pieces of **** like Roger Blake*... - Unless they directly attack me or directly ruin a thread I author. Moving on, here's a cut and paste of a conversation I had with Marek Novotny, years ago, that I found in my logs on the topic. ------- this is a direct cut and paste of a conversation --------- Get the current diagraph of an unprintable ASCII character: ga (remember this as 'get ascii') Find diagraph of bullet which is decimal 149: :/\%d149return Replace it with something else: :s/\%d149/:/g Special characters: E Bullet is Decimal 149, Hex 95, Octal 225 https://practicaltypography.com/stra...ly-quotes.html Thanks Marek, that vim syntax worked to replace smartquote digraphs. :diagraphs I know how to do a search & replace but I had entered in the backslash thinking that the backslash was needed to delimit the percent sign which I also had thought was needed! This is a normal search and replace for multiple items: :%s/[x,y]/z/g = search for x and/or y, and replace all with z Given the "ga" get ascii command tells me the following decimal values: '66' smartquote is decimal 147 (aka %d147) '99' smartquote is decimal 148 (aka %d148) This worked for entering the curly quote digraphs: :%s/\%d147/"/g == replaces all '66' curly quotes with straight quotes :%s/\%d148/"/g == replaces all '99' curly quotes with straight quotes And this worked for entering the curly quote digraphs: :%s/[control+q+147,control+q+148]/"/g == for Windows :%s/[control+v+147,control+v+148]/"/g == for Linux But this did not work: :%s/[\%d147,\%d148]/"/g == fails to replace for every line of the file I didn't realize the digraph percent sign was not always needed! :%s/[\d147,\d148]/"/g REFERENCE: o Does anyone know the vi command to replace curly quotes with straight quotes? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/SMDe13pqCOk/6wWdM0LWAQAJ -- On Usenet, we each use a newsreader, newserver, and editor of our choice. 
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June 7th 20, 08:16 PM
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On 2020-06-07 10:13 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:24:50 +0100, wasbit wrote: I prefer . rather than ?. Far less intrusive to the eye. Hi wasbit, You are an adult, unlike Roger Blake, so an adult conversation is possible with you, where you'll note I respond differently to adults (like you, occam, Paul, etc.) than to worthless pieces of ****, like Roger Blake is. My terse response to the known *worthless piece of **** Roger Blake* was simply to re-affirm he has _never_ once in his entire life _ever_ added any value to any post or thread on this newsgroup, which is easily shown in the record. Note I ignore these worthless pieces of **** in other threads. o They only get responses from me when they directly respond to me. Those always utterly worthless pieces of **** like Roger Blake (Rene Lamontagne, Char Jackson, Cybe(r) Wizard, et al.) aside... To your point, you'll note I try to organize my posts such that there are "bullet points", where people can complain about the shape, size, or color of those bullets, but it's like someone spending hours on a powerpoint presentation, and the only thing "some" people can comment on is the shape or size of the bullet point itself. Regarding the period (aka "full stop" in Br-English) as a bullet point, I feel it would work as well, for sure, but it doesn't seem "better" to me. To be clear, we've discussed this in the past, where the trolls have a field day with punctuation (since, as stated, they can't ever add topical value anyway), and yet, those same trolls complain when I change privacy headers (which means they "think" in doublespeak but don't realize it). Nonetheless, I am well aware of specific bullet point characters, but it must be made known that I don't even use a newsreader, per se. My newsreader is simply a bunch of scripts (that Marek Novotny, among others, helped write many years ago), where the "front end" is simply "vi" on Linux and "vim" on Windows. The "back end" is telnet, and the middle is a bunch of dictionary lookups. o The point is that the "fancy" bullets don't work in my setup. Or, you could just use a bullet point: • That's a bullet. :-)
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#18
June 7th 20, 08:17 PM
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On 2020-06-07 10:22 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:45:49 +0100, wasbit wrote: • = Alt 7 ◘ = Alt 8 ○ = Alt 9 ◙ = Alt 10 Hi wasbit, You're an actual adult, unlike the worthless piece of **** Roger Blake . So my response to you will be quite different than to Roger Blake. To the worthless pieces of ****, I simply ignore them in other threads . I only defend from the worthless pieces of **** when they attack me. Nonetheless, I repeat, we've been through this before (multiple times). . I am very well aware of special bullet-point characters. I don't know _how_ those bullet-point characters will show up after my scripts are done with them, as I even have problems with 'curly' quotes. Here's your list, cut and pasted, exactly as you posted it: o • = Alt 7 o ◘ = Alt 8 o ○ = Alt 9 o ◙ = Alt 10 While I've stated this many times over the years, it needs to be made known that I don't even use a newsreader, per se. My newsreader is simply a bunch of scripts (that Marek Novotny, among others, helped write many years ago, originally when I was UNIX, and then it was ported to CentOS, and then to Ubuntu, and finally, to Windows), where the "front end" is simply "vi" on Linux and "vim" on Windows. The "back end" is a ton of Marek's vpn-based scripts, where the final outout is a simple telnet to the newssserver (in some cases, as in gmane, it's a sendmail request), while the middle part, including nyms, headers, killfiles, etc., are simply a bunch of dictionary lookups. The point is that the "fancy" bullets don't work in my setup. . I will only know how _your_ bullets work - after I see this in vim. And your inability to move on to a better solution should make everyone else suffer?
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#19
June 8th 20, 09:50 AM
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"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
... On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 12:13:34 +0100, Apd wrote: You had to change charset to UTF-8 to do that. My plain-text editor won't handle it as you can see. Far preferable to use only ASCII in newsgroup posts. I use '-' or '*' for bullet points, e.g: - one - two - three * one * two * three Hi Apd, I agree with you that normal ASCII characters are best... - And I agree that "common" bullet items may be dash, star, dot, or oh. Mostly I have problems when I cut-and-paste from web articles - Where I have longstanding issues with cutting & pasting of "curly" quotes Pasting of so-called "smart quotes" have come up before in our newsgroup - Which also includes the special "long dash" web sites love to use. Given I often cut and paste verbatim quotes, particularly on Apple ngs Moving on, here's a cut and paste of a conversation I had with Marek Novotny, years ago, that I found in my logs on the topic. ------- this is a direct cut and paste of a conversation --------- I'd bet that most of the time you Copy & Paste not cut & paste. There might not be a difference in the paste but there is with the source. -- Regards wasbit
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#20
June 8th 20, 12:32 PM
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"Arlen Holder" wrote:
Hi Apd, I agree with you that normal ASCII characters are best... - And I agree that "common" bullet items may be dash, star, dot, or oh. Mostly I have problems when I cut-and-paste from web articles - Where I have longstanding issues with cutting & pasting of "curly" quotes Pasting of so-called "smart quotes" have come up before in our newsgroup - Which also includes the special "long dash" web sites love to use. Given I often cut and paste verbatim quotes, particularly on Apple ngs - Even Apple MacRumors uses a "special" character when they write 'iPhone' I'm using an old version of OE and despite it's well-known failings it's good with some things. One of them is automatic "correction" of those begin-and-end quotes, often seen with Apple news clients, to the single character ASCII version. I don't know of you, but your response seems to be that of an adult - Hence I will respond to you differently than I did to Roger Blake I don't post much in the Win10 group because I don't use Win10. Win2k is good enough for my computing needs and rock solid. Failing that, I use XP or Win7. I like to keep an eye on Microsoft's latest botch-up of the NT platform in case I decide to use it one day which seems unlikely so far.
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#21
June 8th 20, 03:30 PM
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 09:50:42 +0100, wasbit wrote:
I'd bet that most of the time you Copy & Paste not cut & paste. There might not be a difference in the paste but there is with the source. Hi wasbit, You're an adult, so you can comprehend a detailed nuanced response. THANK YOU for purposefully helpfully correcting my terminology! * I mean that sincerely, as I'm happy to correct an unknowing gaffe I agree with you that it was a faux pas of mine to say 'cut & paste'! * I use "copy" and then "paste", mostly from web sites Many web sites use "funky" characters which my "copy & paste" grabs * For example, the "long dash", the wonky curly (aka smart) quotes, etc. I can fix them in post editing, and I often do, but just as often, I miss an umlaut or non-Ascii "glyphs", so to speak (diagraphs?)... I'm not sure the term actually, as I'm not into tech pubs; everything from me is plain ASCII. Two things to edify you (and interested readers) on this topic: 1. In testing the suggested characters, the asterisk doesn't work well as a bullet item, but the dot (.), dash (-), or oh (o) do seem to work. * This asterisk will work on all systems * *But this one may have issues on some* 2. I never really know, ahead of time, which characters _you_ will see, as it's a combination of my script-based system, any given news server, and your news server, and then your news reader. For example, here is a direct "copy and paste" of this table: https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~zben/Web/CharSet/htmlchars.html no-break space = non-breaking space inverted exclamation mark ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ cent sign ¢ ¢ ¢ ¢ pound sign £ £ £ £ currency sign ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ yen sign = yuan sign ¥ ¥ ¥ ¥ broken bar = broken vertical bar ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ section sign § § § § diaeresis = spacing diaeresis ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ copyright sign © © © © feminine ordinal indicator ª ª ª ª left-pointing double angle quotation mark « « « « not sign = discretionary hyphen ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ soft hyphen = discretionary hyphen ­ registered sign = registered trade mark sign ® ® ® ® macron = spacing macron = overline ¯ ¯ ¯ ¯ degree sign ° ° ° ° plus-minus sign = plus-or-minus sign ± ± ± ± superscript two = superscript digit two ² ² ² ² superscript three = superscript digit three ³ ³ ³ ³ acute accent = spacing acute ´ ´ ´ ´ micro sign µ µ µ µ pilcrow sign = paragraph sign ¶ ¶ ¶ ¶ middle dot = Georgian comma · · · · cedilla = spacing cedilla ¸ ¸ ¸ ¸ superscript one = superscript digit one ¹ ¹ ¹ ¹ masculine ordinal indicator º º º º right-pointing double angle quotation mark » » » » vulgar fraction one quarter ¼ ¼ ¼ ¼ vulgar fraction one half ½ ½ ½ ½ vulgar fraction three quarters ¾ ¾ ¾ ¾ inverted question mark ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ latin capital letter A with grave À À À À latin capital letter A with acute Á Á Á Á latin capital letter A with circumflex     latin capital letter A with tilde à à à à latin capital letter A with diaeresis Ä Ä Ä Ä latin capital letter A with ring above Å Å Å Å latin capital letter AE Æ Æ Æ Æ latin capital letter C with cedilla Ç Ç Ç Ç latin capital letter E with grave È È È È latin capital letter E with acute É É É É latin capital letter E with circumflex Ê Ê Ê Ê latin capital letter E with diaeresis Ë Ë Ë Ë latin capital letter I with grave Ì Ì Ì Ì latin capital letter I with acute Í Í Í Í latin capital letter I with circumflex Î Î Î Î latin capital letter I with diaeresis Ï Ï Ï Ï latin capital letter ETH Ð Ð Ð Ð latin capital letter N with tilde Ñ Ñ Ñ Ñ latin capital letter O with grave Ò Ò Ò Ò latin capital letter O with acute Ó Ó Ó Ó latin capital letter O with circumflex Ô Ô Ô Ô latin capital letter O with tilde Õ Õ Õ Õ latin capital letter O with diaeresis Ö Ö Ö Ö multiplication sign × × × × latin capital letter O with stroke Ø Ø Ø Ø latin capital letter U with grave Ù Ù Ù Ù latin capital letter U with acute Ú Ú Ú Ú latin capital letter U with circumflex Û Û Û Û latin capital letter U with diaeresis Ü Ü Ü Ü latin capital letter Y with acute Ý Ý Ý Ý latin capital letter THORN Þ Þ Þ Þ latin small letter sharp s = ess-zed ß ß ß ß latin small letter a with grave à * à * latin small letter a with acute á á á á latin small letter a with circumflex â â â â latin small letter a with tilde ã ã ã ã latin small letter a with diaeresis ä ä ä ä latin small letter a with ring above å å å å latin small letter ae æ æ æ æ latin small letter c with cedilla ç ç ç ç latin small letter e with grave è è è è latin small letter e with acute é é é é latin small letter e with circumflex ê ê ê ê latin small letter e with diaeresis ë ë ë ë latin small letter i with grave ì ì ì ì latin small letter i with acute í * í * latin small letter i with circumflex î î î î latin small letter i with diaeresis ï ï ï ï latin small letter eth ð ð ð ð latin small letter n with tilde ñ ñ ñ ñ latin small letter o with grave ò ò ò ò latin small letter o with acute ó ó ó ó latin small letter o with circumflex ô ô ô ô latin small letter o with tilde õ õ õ õ latin small letter o with diaeresis ö ö ö ö division sign ÷ ÷ ÷ ÷ latin small letter o with stroke ø ø ø ø latin small letter u with grave ù ù ù ù latin small letter u with acute ú ú ú ú latin small letter u with circumflex û û û û latin small letter u with diaeresis ü ü ü ü latin small letter y with acute ý ý ý ý latin small letter thorn with þ þ þ þ latin small letter y with diaeresis ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ latin small f with hook = function ƒ ƒ ƒ ƒ greek capital letter alpha Α Α Α Α greek capital letter beta Β Β Β Β greek capital letter gamma Γ Γ Γ Γ greek capital letter delta Δ Δ Δ Δ greek capital letter epsilon Ε Ε Ε Ε greek capital letter zeta Ζ Ζ Ζ Ζ greek capital letter eta Η Η Η Η greek capital letter theta Θ Θ Θ Θ greek capital letter iota Ι Ι Ι Ι greek capital letter kappa Κ Κ Κ Κ greek capital letter lambda Λ Λ Λ Λ greek capital letter mu Μ Μ Μ Μ greek capital letter nu Ν Ν Ν Ν greek capital letter xi Ξ Ξ Ξ Ξ greek capital letter omicron Ο Ο Ο Ο greek capital letter pi Π * Π * greek capital letter rho Ρ Ρ Ρ Ρ greek capital letter sigma Σ Σ Σ Σ greek capital letter tau Τ Τ Τ Τ greek capital letter upsilon Υ Υ Υ Υ greek capital letter phi Φ Φ Φ Φ greek capital letter chi Χ Χ Χ Χ greek capital letter psi Ψ Ψ Ψ Ψ greek capital letter omega Ω Ω Ω Ω greek small letter alpha α α α α greek small letter beta β β β β greek small letter gamma γ γ γ γ greek small letter delta δ δ δ δ greek small letter epsilon ε ε ε ε greek small letter zeta ζ ζ ζ ζ greek small letter eta η η η η greek small letter theta θ θ θ θ greek small letter iota ι ι ι ι greek small letter kappa κ κ κ κ greek small letter lambda λ λ λ λ greek small letter mu μ μ μ μ greek small letter nu ν ν ν ν greek small letter xi ξ ξ ξ ξ greek small letter omicron ο ο ο ο greek small letter pi π π π π greek small letter rho ρ ρ ρ ρ greek small letter final sigma ς ς ς ς greek small letter sigma σ σ σ σ greek small letter tau τ τ τ τ greek small letter upsilon υ υ υ υ greek small letter phi φ φ φ φ greek small letter chi χ χ χ χ greek small letter psi ψ ψ ψ ψ greek small letter omega ω ω ω ω greek small letter theta symbol ϑ ϑ ϑ ϑ greek upsilon with hook symbol ϒ ϒ ϒ ϒ greek pi symbol ϖ ϖ ϖ ϖ bullet = black small circle • • • • horizontal ellipsis = three dot leader … … … … prime = minutes = feet ′ ′ ′ ′ double prime = seconds = inches ″ ″ ″ ″ overline = spacing overscore ‾ ‾ ‾ ‾ fraction slash ⁄ ⁄ ⁄ ⁄ script capital P = power set ℘ ℘ ℘ ℘ blackletter capital I = imaginary part ℑ ℑ ℑ ℑ blackletter capital R = real part symbol ℜ ℜ ℜ ℜ trade mark sign ™ ™ ™ ™ alef symbol = first transfinite cardinal ℵ ℵ ℵ ℵ leftwards arrow ← ← ← ← upwards arrow ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ rightwards arrow → → → → downwards arrow ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ left right arrow ↔ ↔ ↔ ↔ downwards arrow with corner leftwards ↵ ↵ ↵ ↵ leftwards double arrow ⇐ ⇐ ⇐ ⇐ upwards double arrow ⇑ ⇑ ⇑ ⇑ rightwards double arrow ⇒ ⇒ ⇒ ⇒ downwards double arrow ⇓ ⇓ ⇓ ⇓ left right double arrow ⇔ ⇔ ⇔ ⇔ for all ∀ ∀ ∀ ∀ partial differential ∂ ∂ ∂ ∂ there exists ∃ ∃ ∃ ∃ empty set = null set = diameter ∅ ∅ ∅ ∅ nabla = backward difference ∇ ∇ ∇ ∇ element of ∈ ∈ ∈ ∈ not an element of ∉ ∉ ∉ ∉ contains as member ∋ ∋ ∋ ∋ n-ary product = product sign ∏ ∏ ∏ ∏ n-ary sumation ∑ ∑ ∑ ∑ minus sign − − − − asterisk operator ∗ ∗ ∗ ∗ square root = radical sign √ √ √ √ proportional to ∝ ∝ ∝ ∝ infinity ∞ ∞ ∞ ∞ angle ∠ * ∠ * logical and = wedge ∧ ∧ ∧ ∧ logical or = vee ∨ ∨ ∨ ∨ intersection = cap ∩ ∩ ∩ ∩ union = cup ∪ ∪ ∪ ∪ integral ∫ ∫ ∫ ∫ therefore ∴ ∴ ∴ ∴ tilde operator = varies with = similar to ∼ ∼ ∼ ∼ approximately equal to ≅ ≅ ≅ ≅ almost equal to = asymptotic to ≈ ≈ ≈ ≈ not equal to ≠ * ≠ * identical to ≡ ≡ ≡ ≡ less-than or equal to ≤ ≤ ≤ ≤ greater-than or equal to ≥ ≥ ≥ ≥ subset of ⊂ ⊂ ⊂ ⊂ superset of ⊃ ⊃ ⊃ ⊃ not a subset of ⊄ ⊄ ⊄ ⊄ subset of or equal to ⊆ ⊆ ⊆ ⊆ superset of or equal to ⊇ ⊇ ⊇ ⊇ circled plus = direct sum ⊕ ⊕ ⊕ ⊕ circled times = vector product ⊗ ⊗ ⊗ ⊗ up tack = orthogonal to = perpendicular ⊥ ⊥ ⊥ ⊥ dot operator ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ left ceiling = apl upstile ⌈ ⌈ ⌈ ⌈ right ceiling ⌉ ⌉ ⌉ ⌉ left floor = apl downstile ⌊ ⌊ ⌊ ⌊ right floor ⌋ ⌋ ⌋ ⌋ left-pointing angle bracket = bra ⟨ ⟨ 〈 〈 right-pointing angle bracket = ket ⟩ ⟩ 〉 〉 lozenge ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊ black spade suit ♠ * ♠ * black club suit = shamrock ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣ black heart suit = valentine ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ black diamond suit ♦ ♦ ♦ ♦ quotation mark = APL quote " " " " ampersand & & & & less-than sign < < greater-than sign > > latin capital ligature OE Œ Œ Œ Œ latin small ligature oe œ œ œ œ latin capital letter S with caron Š * Š * latin small letter s with caron š š š š latin capital letter Y with diaeresis Ÿ Ÿ Ÿ Ÿ modifier letter circumflex accent ˆ ˆ ˆ ˆ small tilde ˜ ˜ ˜ ˜ en space   em space   thin space   zero width non-joiner ‌ * * * zero width joiner ‍ * * * left-to-right mark ‎ right-to-left mark ‏ en dash – – – – em dash — — — — left single quotation mark ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ right single quotation mark ’ ’ ’ ’ single low-9 quotation mark ‚ ‚ ‚ ‚ left double quotation mark “ “ “ “ right double quotation mark ” ” ” ” double low-9 quotation mark „ „ „ „ dagger † * † * double dagger ‡ ‡ ‡ ‡ per mille sign ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ single left-pointing angle quotation mark ‹ ‹ ‹ ‹ single right-pointing angle quotation mark › › › › euro sign € € € € -- Usenet works best when adults post with purposefully helpful intentions.
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June 8th 20, 04:57 PM
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:32:44 +0100, Apd wrote:
I don't post much in the Win10 group because I don't use Win10. Win2k is good enough for my computing needs and rock solid. Failing that, I use XP or Win7. I like to keep an eye on Microsoft's latest botch-up of the NT platform in case I decide to use it one day which seems unlikely so far. Hi Apd, I could tell you were an adult, where what that means is that a logical & reasonable conversation can occur which contains nuances of detail, and natural differences of opinion or use models. To that end, thanks for patiently explaining your situation, as I too have old OS's lying about, e.g., I still have Vista and Windows 7 (on my hard drives and in Grub menus galore!) and, there's even an old WinXP 500MB RAM Dell laptop masquerading as a desktop simply because it's what I had connected to the scanner since birth. That old WinXP laptop came in handy, as it proved I could easily copy the EXACT accordion-style cascaded WinXP start menu over from WinXP to Windows 10 and it WORKED just fine (with minor corrections due to changes over time). Notice that I've had the same menu structure for ages, simply because we all do the _same_ things with our computers and phones, where we "browse" and we "edit", such that my hierarchy has remained almost the same for decades on _all_ my computers (mobile devices, desktops, or laptops). .. *Philosophy on a tutorial for setting up Windows in a well organized KISS philosophy* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1Gf59YRkaI8 While I use even shorter words, and I never use plurals, and I stick with lower-case, underscored if necessary, 8-character if possible names, here's a simplified description of, oh, say, just my "editor" hierarchy: https://i.postimg.cc/wMpGKBFF/winsearch05.jpg 1. Here's where I _save_ my downloaded freeware editor installers: C:\software\editors\{see list below} 2. Here's where I _install_ those editors, on each machine in turn: C:\apps\editors\{see list below} 3. Here's the _menu_ hierarchy (aka toolbar) pinned to the task menu: taskbar menu editors {see list below} etc. And here's a shortened list of the "editors" in that hierarchy: (bearing in mind an "editor" is treated the same as a "viewer") c:\ cd editors c:\ dir /b ... android ... audio ... cad ... calendar ... codec ... convert ... downloader ... epub ... hex ... icon ... passwd ... pic ... pspdf ... screenrec ... snapshot ... suite ... txt ... vector ... vid ... exif ... watermark As the a.c.f folks are well aware, there are _many_ ways to organize apps. o For example, here's just the first subdirectory in that list above https://i.postimg.cc/DfrNrqyN/winsearch06.jpg c:\ cd editors\android c:\ dir /b ... adb ... app ... cpu ... emu ... gra ... how ... ide ... jre ... mtp ... sdk ... sql ... vid I do similarly functionality based orgs for Android, as previously posted: https://i.postimg.cc/66nkNWg5/winsearch04.jpg My main point is that we all do the same things on our computers .. Where one of those things, is search.... To that end, these are my current freeware search apps for testing out: https://i.postimg.cc/zXpPM8hS/winsearch07.jpg c:\ cd database\search c:\ dir /b ... agentransack ... astrogrep ... auslogics ... copernic ... docfetcher ... everything ... exselo ... filesearchex ... fileseek ... googledesktop ... grepwin ... jetsearch ... lansearchpro ... launchy ... listary ... locate32 ... lookeen ... malich ... puggle ... quicksearch ... registryfinder ... searchmyfiles ... ultrasearch Any help adults can purposefully helpfully provide, is always welcome. o I trust adults on Usenet more than I trust many so-called reviews. -- The extremly high cost of freeware is in effort needed to find the best!
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