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Resizing a partition
Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new
partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? |
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Dapper Dan wrote:
Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Thank you Ken. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with
NTFS. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Dapper Dan wrote:
Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so
hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos create a 25 GB partition for Backups create a 125 GB for future use Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Dapper Dan wrote:
With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Thanks for the quick feedback, Ken. I'll be guided accordingly. I'll
probably reduce from my originally intended 5 to 2 additional partitions only; one for all my data and the other for backups. And as I get into this, I'll probably figure out that it might be easier to image directly to a DVD rather than consolidate in one area and then save to DVD. Again thanks for your feedback and your guidance, it is certainly appreciated. Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Dapper Dan wrote:
Thanks for the quick feedback, Ken. I'll be guided accordingly. I'll probably reduce from my originally intended 5 to 2 additional partitions only; one for all my data and the other for backups. Good. I think that makes much more sense. And as I get into this, I'll probably figure out that it might be easier to image directly to a DVD rather than consolidate in one area and then save to DVD. OK, but again, if you save to DVD often enough, I don't have serious objection to what you're doing. Just think of those DVDs as your real backups, not the partition. Again thanks for your feedback and your guidance, it is certainly appreciated. You're always welcome. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Dan,
Please excuse me for dropping in on this so late but I thought I'd mention a few things that may help you. I'm in basic agreement with with Ken except that I believe your data and BU partitions should be on a second HDD and in FAT32. It is so much easier to get at these files using a DOS disk in case there is a need to do that. Fat32 is criticized a lot but it is quite dependable. I also like the idea of creating an image file of the system to another partition on a second physical HDD as well as the original HDD. Why? The answer is simple redundancy. I have a Desktop with two physical HDDs. There is a Windows partition, a Data partition, and a BU partition. The second HDD has the same setup except that the System and data partitions are hidden. Since I have so much space, keeping hidden partitions is no big deal, sort of a luxury, if you will. Every night, I use a simple backup program that creates a zipped BU of my entire data folder which contains all of my "critical" data - financial (Quicken, stocks, info), documents (word processing, pdf manuals, etc.), email, newsgroup files, etc. etc. These data files reside on the D drive of the first HDD and are backed up nightly to a folder on the second HDD. Remember the second HDD has three partitions but two are hidden, so windows sees only one extra partition, for a total of four (visible). I use BootItNG (Terrabyte Unlimited) regularly and used it to create all the partitions on both drives. I use Image For Windows (also Terrabyte)to create images before any major installation or even Windows Updates. The images of the Windows (system) partition and the image of the data partition are created to the second HDD partition (the 4th one seen by windows. Right after I create an image I make a copy to the third partition of the first HDD just for a quick safety valve. Also, BING will resize and partition non destructively. Lastly, I copy the image files to two separate external HDD drives where copies of my other desktop and a laptop images are stored. My data files are backed up nightly as I mentioned earlier, using incremental BUs - Sunday nights, I create FULL BU's of the data. On either Sunday night or Monday AM, the BUs are copied to the external drive. This is done with some simple DOS based batch files that run under Windows. I know Ken doesn't like images and BU's to other partitions but I believe his reason is that it's false security as he already noted what can happen to the system due to lightening or some other catastrophe. The fact is, however, that images made to other partitions are created very quickly and they can be copied very fast too. Most problems are not do to lightening but more due to bad installs, bad updates, an occasional virus, etc. I know this as I fix them all the time. My setup is good for me. It offers me all the protection that Ken speaks of, and again, I share his views for the most part but access to all of these files from other partitions and other HDD in DOS using Fat32 makes access very easy and no big deal with all the safety there is. One more thing, the reason I left the second HDD with the hidden partition was to restore an image of the OS and the Data in case the first HDD dies for whatever reason. I can restore from the BU partition on that drive, or from my external - bottom line is I'm back up and running within 15 minutes. I've only had to restore this way once when my first HDD did in fact die, just flat out passed away. Restored to the second one and up and running again after a cable swap and 15 minutes of time. We all agree, I think, that you need to have data and your OS partitions on an external, also be sure to use a data BU program to make backups of file data - don't rely on your image files for that. Hope this helps, just another point of view. Fred S Dapper Dan wrote: Thanks for the quick feedback, Ken. I'll be guided accordingly. I'll probably reduce from my originally intended 5 to 2 additional partitions only; one for all my data and the other for backups. And as I get into this, I'll probably figure out that it might be easier to image directly to a DVD rather than consolidate in one area and then save to DVD. Again thanks for your feedback and your guidance, it is certainly appreciated. Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message . .. Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message .. . Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Glad you dropped in Fred, it's always good to be exposed to another point of
view. I appreciate the time you took to describe your setup and the reasons for it. Actually I just finished repartitioning and did format NTFS, although I believe this can be changed easily enough. We're on opposite end of the totem pole on this one, although I'm leaning towards the middle. I have never backed up anything until getting this new computer but I would like to get into a regular routine in the future. So I appreciate your description and rationale for doing it your way. I'll keep a copy for future reference. Thanks again. Dan "Fred S *****" wrote in message ... Dan, Please excuse me for dropping in on this so late but I thought I'd mention a few things that may help you. I'm in basic agreement with with Ken except that I believe your data and BU partitions should be on a second HDD and in FAT32. It is so much easier to get at these files using a DOS disk in case there is a need to do that. Fat32 is criticized a lot but it is quite dependable. I also like the idea of creating an image file of the system to another partition on a second physical HDD as well as the original HDD. Why? The answer is simple redundancy. I have a Desktop with two physical HDDs. There is a Windows partition, a Data partition, and a BU partition. The second HDD has the same setup except that the System and data partitions are hidden. Since I have so much space, keeping hidden partitions is no big deal, sort of a luxury, if you will. Every night, I use a simple backup program that creates a zipped BU of my entire data folder which contains all of my "critical" data - financial (Quicken, stocks, info), documents (word processing, pdf manuals, etc.), email, newsgroup files, etc. etc. These data files reside on the D drive of the first HDD and are backed up nightly to a folder on the second HDD. Remember the second HDD has three partitions but two are hidden, so windows sees only one extra partition, for a total of four (visible). I use BootItNG (Terrabyte Unlimited) regularly and used it to create all the partitions on both drives. I use Image For Windows (also Terrabyte)to create images before any major installation or even Windows Updates. The images of the Windows (system) partition and the image of the data partition are created to the second HDD partition (the 4th one seen by windows. Right after I create an image I make a copy to the third partition of the first HDD just for a quick safety valve. Also, BING will resize and partition non destructively. Lastly, I copy the image files to two separate external HDD drives where copies of my other desktop and a laptop images are stored. My data files are backed up nightly as I mentioned earlier, using incremental BUs - Sunday nights, I create FULL BU's of the data. On either Sunday night or Monday AM, the BUs are copied to the external drive. This is done with some simple DOS based batch files that run under Windows. I know Ken doesn't like images and BU's to other partitions but I believe his reason is that it's false security as he already noted what can happen to the system due to lightening or some other catastrophe. The fact is, however, that images made to other partitions are created very quickly and they can be copied very fast too. Most problems are not do to lightening but more due to bad installs, bad updates, an occasional virus, etc. I know this as I fix them all the time. My setup is good for me. It offers me all the protection that Ken speaks of, and again, I share his views for the most part but access to all of these files from other partitions and other HDD in DOS using Fat32 makes access very easy and no big deal with all the safety there is. One more thing, the reason I left the second HDD with the hidden partition was to restore an image of the OS and the Data in case the first HDD dies for whatever reason. I can restore from the BU partition on that drive, or from my external - bottom line is I'm back up and running within 15 minutes. I've only had to restore this way once when my first HDD did in fact die, just flat out passed away. Restored to the second one and up and running again after a cable swap and 15 minutes of time. We all agree, I think, that you need to have data and your OS partitions on an external, also be sure to use a data BU program to make backups of file data - don't rely on your image files for that. Hope this helps, just another point of view. Fred S Dapper Dan wrote: Thanks for the quick feedback, Ken. I'll be guided accordingly. I'll probably reduce from my originally intended 5 to 2 additional partitions only; one for all my data and the other for backups. And as I get into this, I'll probably figure out that it might be easier to image directly to a DVD rather than consolidate in one area and then save to DVD. Again thanks for your feedback and your guidance, it is certainly appreciated. Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message . .. Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Dan,
You're welcome and congratulations on moving forward with steps to preserve your data - it truly is important if your data is important. As for strategy, there are many ways to go and at least you've set a direction - good for you. Take care, Fred Dapper Dan wrote: Glad you dropped in Fred, it's always good to be exposed to another point of view. I appreciate the time you took to describe your setup and the reasons for it. Actually I just finished repartitioning and did format NTFS, although I believe this can be changed easily enough. We're on opposite end of the totem pole on this one, although I'm leaning towards the middle. I have never backed up anything until getting this new computer but I would like to get into a regular routine in the future. So I appreciate your description and rationale for doing it your way. I'll keep a copy for future reference. Thanks again. Dan "Fred S *****" wrote in message ... Dan, Please excuse me for dropping in on this so late but I thought I'd mention a few things that may help you. I'm in basic agreement with with Ken except that I believe your data and BU partitions should be on a second HDD and in FAT32. It is so much easier to get at these files using a DOS disk in case there is a need to do that. Fat32 is criticized a lot but it is quite dependable. I also like the idea of creating an image file of the system to another partition on a second physical HDD as well as the original HDD. Why? The answer is simple redundancy. I have a Desktop with two physical HDDs. There is a Windows partition, a Data partition, and a BU partition. The second HDD has the same setup except that the System and data partitions are hidden. Since I have so much space, keeping hidden partitions is no big deal, sort of a luxury, if you will. Every night, I use a simple backup program that creates a zipped BU of my entire data folder which contains all of my "critical" data - financial (Quicken, stocks, info), documents (word processing, pdf manuals, etc.), email, newsgroup files, etc. etc. These data files reside on the D drive of the first HDD and are backed up nightly to a folder on the second HDD. Remember the second HDD has three partitions but two are hidden, so windows sees only one extra partition, for a total of four (visible). I use BootItNG (Terrabyte Unlimited) regularly and used it to create all the partitions on both drives. I use Image For Windows (also Terrabyte)to create images before any major installation or even Windows Updates. The images of the Windows (system) partition and the image of the data partition are created to the second HDD partition (the 4th one seen by windows. Right after I create an image I make a copy to the third partition of the first HDD just for a quick safety valve. Also, BING will resize and partition non destructively. Lastly, I copy the image files to two separate external HDD drives where copies of my other desktop and a laptop images are stored. My data files are backed up nightly as I mentioned earlier, using incremental BUs - Sunday nights, I create FULL BU's of the data. On either Sunday night or Monday AM, the BUs are copied to the external drive. This is done with some simple DOS based batch files that run under Windows. I know Ken doesn't like images and BU's to other partitions but I believe his reason is that it's false security as he already noted what can happen to the system due to lightening or some other catastrophe. The fact is, however, that images made to other partitions are created very quickly and they can be copied very fast too. Most problems are not do to lightening but more due to bad installs, bad updates, an occasional virus, etc. I know this as I fix them all the time. My setup is good for me. It offers me all the protection that Ken speaks of, and again, I share his views for the most part but access to all of these files from other partitions and other HDD in DOS using Fat32 makes access very easy and no big deal with all the safety there is. One more thing, the reason I left the second HDD with the hidden partition was to restore an image of the OS and the Data in case the first HDD dies for whatever reason. I can restore from the BU partition on that drive, or from my external - bottom line is I'm back up and running within 15 minutes. I've only had to restore this way once when my first HDD did in fact die, just flat out passed away. Restored to the second one and up and running again after a cable swap and 15 minutes of time. We all agree, I think, that you need to have data and your OS partitions on an external, also be sure to use a data BU program to make backups of file data - don't rely on your image files for that. Hope this helps, just another point of view. Fred S Dapper Dan wrote: Thanks for the quick feedback, Ken. I'll be guided accordingly. I'll probably reduce from my originally intended 5 to 2 additional partitions only; one for all my data and the other for backups. And as I get into this, I'll probably figure out that it might be easier to image directly to a DVD rather than consolidate in one area and then save to DVD. Again thanks for your feedback and your guidance, it is certainly appreciated. Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: With respect to the two last points you made, I am using BootItNG so hopefully it will be non destructively vbg. My recommendation is not to hope, but to play it safe by being sure you have an external backup of anything you can't afford to lose. Re point #2, I was planning on doing this only once and decided to cover a number of future uses. Thus my intention is ; to reduce the current C: from 225 to 25 GB OK. create a small partition for tmp, temp & swap Not a good idea. Putting the page file on a second partition move it to a location on the hard drive distant from the other frequently-used data on the drive. The result is that every time Windows needs to use the page file, the time to get to it and back from it is increased. Putting the page file on a second *physical* drive is a good idea, since it decreases head movement, but not to a second partition on a single drive. A good rule of thumb is that the page file should be on the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive. For almost everyone with a single drive, that's C:. However, if you have enough RAM, the page file will probably be used very little, and where it resides won't matter much. I still wouldn't put it on a separate partition because there is no advantage to doing so. Putting the temp folder on a second partition is also not a good idea. It unnecessarily restricts the space available for temp files, and can cause problems if you run out of space. There's also no advantage to doing this. create a 25 GB partition for all my data files & OE store OK. create a 25 GB partition for other uses, incl photos What is the point of separating photos from other kinds of data? My view is that your partitioning scheme should be chosen primarily to facilitate your backup scheme. Everything that you are going to back up at the same time should be in the same partition. Since my guess is that when you back up the other data you would also want to back up your photos, I would recommend keeping them together in a single partition. create a 25 GB partition for Backups I already told you my views on this. I wouldn't do it, but it's your choice. create a 125 GB for future use What kind of future uise might that be? More to the point, what kind of future use might require a separate partition? I guess I believe that you should set up your system for your current needs, not for future needs that might never materialize. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably have only two partitions: one for all your data, including photos, the other for everything else. And I'd buy one (or better two, so you can alternate use) external drives for backup. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup Dan "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message l... Dapper Dan wrote: Thank you Ken. You're welcome. Glad to help. If I can make it either, I assume I'm better to stay with NTFS. NTFS Is normally better. In my view almost the only reason to use FAT32 is that you're dual-booting to an older operating system that's not NTFS-aware. In this case, although Me is not NTFS-aware, it won't be accessing the drive locally; if it accesses it across a network connection, there's no problem. I understand re backups however I'm not sure I want to get too sophisticated. I thought it would be simpler to hold the backups on one drive Simpler, perhaps, but also considerably less secure. I think backup to a second partition is only slightly better than no backup at all. I've seen more than one person who entrusted his data to such a backup scheme and lost everything. and then occasionally burn to a DVD from there. The more often you burn a DVD, the better, of course.. Will rethink it. In the meantime, I plan on reducing a 225 GB partition to 25 GB and then creating 5 new partitions including a future use partition approximating 125 GB. Two points he 1. Are you aware that no version of Windows provides any way of changing the existing partition structure of the drive nondestructively? The only way to do what you want is with third-party software. Partition Magic is the best-known such program, but there are freeware/shareware alternatives. One such program is BootIt Next Generation. It's shareware, but comes with a free 30-day trial, so you should be able to do what you want within that 30 days. I haven't used it myself (because I've never needed to use *any* such program), but it comes highly recommended by several other MVPs here. Whatever software you use, make sure you have a good backup before beginning. Although there's no reason to expect a problem, things *can* go wrong. 2. Each to his own, but in my view, unless you have very special and unusual needs, five partitions is considerably too many. What do you plan to use each of those partitions for and what do you expect to accomplish by separating things five ways? -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Dapper Dan wrote: Planning on resizing a large existing partition and creating 5 new partitions, one of which will be to hold backups from this XP and a Win Me OS Laptop. When I format this particular partition, should it also be designated NTFS or do I need to make it Fat32? You can make it either. But I urge you to rethink your plan of backing up to a second partition on your only drive. I don't recommend backup to a second partition or even to a non-removable second hard drive because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes (if it's a second partition), severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer. In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site. My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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