Hard-drive corruption question

Stop error 0x00000024 on ntfs.sys. This was in a desktop computer with ms
office and the usual programs. I tried booting it in the computer it came
from. All other tests were in another computer. It is a Western Digital
IDE drive and was working for two years before the sudden crash when a new
AGP video card was installed. Yes it is recognized in BIOS.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
You have not posted a complete copy of the Stop Error Report. Please do so
making it clear where the drive is located when the Stop Error report is
generated,

What function did this drive serve before you started your changes? I am
not sure that taking a bootable hard drive from one computer and putting
it in another computer can be expected to boot.. In the second computer it
can only be expected to be accessible for the purpose of working with data
files.

What is the drive make and model? What type of cabling is being used to
connect the drive to the motherboard?

Is the hard drive recognised by the BIOS?


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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M Skabialka wrote:
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each
time the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen,
and BSOD shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot
disk (like the diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs
disk (including the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded
an ntfs reader which in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files
are still intact, but I don't know how to view the file system and
replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to
ntfs? The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so
I can't copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

Stop error 0x00000024 on ntfs.sys. This was in a desktop computer with ms
office and the usual programs. I tried booting it in the computer it came
from. All other tests were in another computer. It is a Western Digital
IDE drive and was working for two years before the sudden crash when a new
AGP video card was installed. Yes it is recognized in BIOS.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
You have not posted a complete copy of the Stop Error Report. Please do so
making it clear where the drive is located when the Stop Error report is
generated,

What function did this drive serve before you started your changes? I am
not sure that taking a bootable hard drive from one computer and putting
it in another computer can be expected to boot.. In the second computer it
can only be expected to be accessible for the purpose of working with data
files.

What is the drive make and model? What type of cabling is being used to
connect the drive to the motherboard?

Is the hard drive recognised by the BIOS?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


M Skabialka wrote:
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each
time the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen,
and BSOD shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot
disk (like the diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs
disk (including the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded
an ntfs reader which in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files
are still intact, but I don't know how to view the file system and
replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to
ntfs? The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so
I can't copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you might
try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Are you trying to boot from the drive? If so the problem is probably
that the boot sector on the drive is not the correct one for your Systems
BIOS and you will need to run a repair installation using your OS
installation disk or possibly running repair from an F8 boot.

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time
the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD
shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the
diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including
the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader
which in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact,
but I don't know how to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys
without booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to
ntfs? The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I
can't copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you might
try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Are you trying to boot from the drive? If so the problem is probably
that the boot sector on the drive is not the correct one for your Systems
BIOS and you will need to run a repair installation using your OS
installation disk or possibly running repair from an F8 boot.

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time
the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD
shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the
diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including
the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader
which in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact,
but I don't know how to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys
without booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to
ntfs? The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I
can't copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

I've googled this and seen a lot of articles about knoppix with a bunch of
alien commands (I'm a DOS - Vista user only)
Where do you get it from, and does it comes with any help on how to use it?
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have knoppix running in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


"Harry" wrote in message
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On May 27, 9:31 am, "M Skabialka" wrote:

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy
from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

google "enable ntfs write" ....
will give you knoppix.
u need to try it yourself.

I've googled this and seen a lot of articles about knoppix with a bunch of
alien commands (I'm a DOS - Vista user only)
Where do you get it from, and does it comes with any help on how to use it?
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have knoppix running in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


"Harry" wrote in message
...
On May 27, 9:31 am, "M Skabialka" wrote:

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy
from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

google "enable ntfs write" ....
will give you knoppix.
u need to try it yourself.

M Skabialka wrote:
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive
as "slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered
as master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't
automatically make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have
to be in the correct position.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the
list of "bootable" devices.

Use a partition editor (such as PartEd) to remove the bootable flag on
the problem hard drive.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

***Note: SystemRescueCD is Linux based.

M Skabialka wrote:
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive
as "slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered
as master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't
automatically make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have
to be in the correct position.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the
list of "bootable" devices.

Use a partition editor (such as PartEd) to remove the bootable flag on
the problem hard drive.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

***Note: SystemRescueCD is Linux based.

I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any utilities
for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any help - I tried
that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have Linux in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


"Markmckee601" wrote in message
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Harry wrote:

I can only assume that you have ran only the short/quick test using the
diagnostics from the manufacturer as most of them require write access
to the drive.

In my experience if i have any problems like you have mentioned i would
either boot to a live cd of linux or boot to UBCD (Ultimate Boot CD).
This rules out an OS issue and you can also check the hard drive and the
ntfs filesystem.

To check the hard drive using UBCD there is a nice utility called
Salvation but there are others as well.

Here's a link
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

If you can't access the NTFS partition using Windows i would try a live
cd version of linux or you can install linux on a usb pendrive, i have
found that it can mount pretty much anything you throw at it including
NTFS partitions.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

Hope this helps.

Comptia A+ Certified

I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any utilities
for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any help - I tried
that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have Linux in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


"Markmckee601" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote:

I can only assume that you have ran only the short/quick test using the
diagnostics from the manufacturer as most of them require write access
to the drive.

In my experience if i have any problems like you have mentioned i would
either boot to a live cd of linux or boot to UBCD (Ultimate Boot CD).
This rules out an OS issue and you can also check the hard drive and the
ntfs filesystem.

To check the hard drive using UBCD there is a nice utility called
Salvation but there are others as well.

Here's a link
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

If you can't access the NTFS partition using Windows i would try a live
cd version of linux or you can install linux on a usb pendrive, i have
found that it can mount pretty much anything you throw at it including
NTFS partitions.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

Hope this helps.

Comptia A+ Certified

I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and got
my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard video. The
drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB.
In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and got
my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard video. The
drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB.
In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

"propman" wrote in message
...

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.


A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

I'll look at this...

SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open

"propman" wrote in message
...

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.


A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

I'll look at this...

SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open

Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.