Computer won't boot up after installing new RAM

**Lil' Dave** · June 29th 09, 02:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into the
motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into the RAM
slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off to be
aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM
module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to comprehend.
Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power up
and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Lil' Dave** · June 29th 09, 02:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into the
motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into the RAM
slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off to be
aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM
module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to comprehend.
Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power up
and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

JS · June 29th 09, 03:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into the
motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into the RAM
slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off to be
aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM
module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to
comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

JS · June 29th 09, 03:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into the
motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into the RAM
slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off to be
aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM
module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to
comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Gerry** · June 29th 09, 03:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

JS / Dave

Perhaps he created an extra notch to make it fit G.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug
into the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they
plug into the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The
slot is one off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong
type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR
memory is beyond my ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can
read the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way
to enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know
in BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove
the power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change
the After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back
to
the main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot
up.I tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am
using old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may
or may not be the case with the older sockets 478
motherboards. The solution is to only install one memory stick
and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the
second memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i
am having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with
the new RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able
to use the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP
8X, 2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying
to only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell
me if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory
Frequency For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L
, 2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought
please tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That
is why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You
said it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if
this is the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours, if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this
appears to be a case of the wrong memory for your PC
and I would expect it will fail within a short period
of time is you are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM
computer took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago
when i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and
fans are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series
GA-8IPE1000 Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Gerry** · June 29th 09, 03:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

JS / Dave

Perhaps he created an extra notch to make it fit G.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug
into the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they
plug into the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The
slot is one off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong
type. How you plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR
memory is beyond my ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can
read the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way
to enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know
in BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove
the power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change
the After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back
to
the main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot
up.I tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am
using old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may
or may not be the case with the older sockets 478
motherboards. The solution is to only install one memory stick
and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the
second memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i
am having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with
the new RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able
to use the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP
8X, 2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying
to only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell
me if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory
Frequency For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L
, 2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought
please tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That
is why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You
said it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if
this is the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours, if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this
appears to be a case of the wrong memory for your PC
and I would expect it will fail within a short period
of time is you are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM
computer took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago
when i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and
fans are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series
GA-8IPE1000 Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**M.I.5¾** · June 30th 09, 08:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

"Mr. Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:11:01 -0700, Pool
wrote:

Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB wanted to upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer took around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all working but no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and nothing on the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when i started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans are working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came with the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000 Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

Why ask here? Your problem is related to pure hardware and has
nothing to do with XP (read the group title).

Ignore our resident ****wit.

Your question is entirely welcome in a *hardware* forum, which the group
title clearly states that this is.

**Lil' Dave** · June 30th 09, 11:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he never
installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off
to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a
DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to
comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Lil' Dave** · June 30th 09, 11:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he never
installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one off
to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug a
DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability to
comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

JS · June 30th 09, 01:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug
a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability
to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

JS · June 30th 09, 01:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you plug
a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my ability
to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS
using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer

PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should
look for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i
have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the
BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power
up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may
not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad. Install
only your Kingston memory before you start the test.
Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to be
a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would expect
it will fail within a short period of time is you are even
able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Brian A.** · June 30th 09, 08:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

Somethings truly awry, in one of his responses he wrote:
quote
here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please tell me if it is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
/quote

Notice the box states PC2-6400 and the module states PC-3200. Now the
question becomes: Is the module one that was an installed original? Isn't
the CT = to Crucial Tehnology? Although companies can/do make mistakes I
couldn't see Crucial sending modules in a box labeled different from the
contents, not to mention they also have the module info on a sticker on the
anti-static back the module is shipped in.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you
plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my
ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read
the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in
BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or
may not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to
be a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would
expect it will fail within a short period of time is you
are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Brian A.** · June 30th 09, 08:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

Somethings truly awry, in one of his responses he wrote:
quote
here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please tell me if it is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
/quote

Notice the box states PC2-6400 and the module states PC-3200. Now the
question becomes: Is the module one that was an installed original? Isn't
the CT = to Crucial Tehnology? Although companies can/do make mistakes I
couldn't see Crucial sending modules in a box labeled different from the
contents, not to mention they also have the module info on a sticker on the
anti-static back the module is shipped in.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message ...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you
plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my
ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read
the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in
BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or
may not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to
be a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would
expect it will fail within a short period of time is you
are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Lil' Dave** · July 1st 09, 01:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

http://www.crucial.com/search/search...1GD64SH08BL-5T

Apparently, either the wrong number or OP can't read small print.

Here's RAM for the OP's motherboard per Crucial:
http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...el=GA-8IPE1000

Crucial does sell "seconds" to PC hardware retailers but not in box.

"Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
...
Somethings truly awry, in one of his responses he wrote:
quote
here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please tell me if it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
/quote

Notice the box states PC2-6400 and the module states PC-3200. Now the
question becomes: Is the module one that was an installed original? Isn't
the CT = to Crucial Tehnology? Although companies can/do make mistakes I
couldn't see Crucial sending modules in a box labeled different from the
contents, not to mention they also have the module info on a sticker on
the anti-static back the module is shipped in.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you
plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my
ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read
the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way
to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in
BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove
the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change
the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot
up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or
may not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP
8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell
me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You
said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to
be a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would
expect it will fail within a short period of time is you
are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago
when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and
fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

**Lil' Dave** · July 1st 09, 01:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

http://www.crucial.com/search/search...1GD64SH08BL-5T

Apparently, either the wrong number or OP can't read small print.

Here's RAM for the OP's motherboard per Crucial:
http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...el=GA-8IPE1000

Crucial does sell "seconds" to PC hardware retailers but not in box.

"Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
...
Somethings truly awry, in one of his responses he wrote:
quote
here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please tell me if it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
/quote

Notice the box states PC2-6400 and the module states PC-3200. Now the
question becomes: Is the module one that was an installed original? Isn't
the CT = to Crucial Tehnology? Although companies can/do make mistakes I
couldn't see Crucial sending modules in a box labeled different from the
contents, not to mention they also have the module info on a sticker on
the anti-static back the module is shipped in.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

You will note the OP post of 6/27/09 10:17PM

"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"

In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.

The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
If that's the case, and the Kingston RAM the OP purchased is DDR2, he
never installed that RAM. Is it safe to make that assumption as well?

If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
I agree Dave,

A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.

From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
DDR and DDR2 RAM modules are physically different where they plug into
the motherboard RAM slots. Both have small notch where they plug into
the RAM slot. They differ by this slot arrangement. The slot is one
off to be aligned in the RAM slot if using the wrong type. How you
plug a DDR2 RAM module into a slot meant for DDR memory is beyond my
ability to comprehend. Can anyone clarify?

--
Dave

"JS" @ wrote in message
...
You correct Gerry, I missed it.
The Kingston memory is 240 pin and as the manual states
the motherboard uses 184 pin memory.DDR and he purchased
DDR2 memory not DDR as stated in his original post.

What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
JS

FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in
the motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read
the manual in my earlier post.

--

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JS wrote:
If the Power Supply fan is making uncommon noises
then yes replace it with a unit that at least equal to the
wattage rating on the power supply sticker. Look for
the number of 12V rails and the wattage for each rail.

If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.

Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.

But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3

How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way
to
enter BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in
BIOS using 256MB RAM which is installed to be able to use the
computer PC Health Status

VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK

Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM

Frequency / Voltage Control

CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V

Advanced Chipest Features

Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us

When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything

Please tell me what i shall i do next.

If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i
should look for inorder to be sure it will work with the
motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because
lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again

It's sound more and more like M.I.T settings
in your BIOS. What you need to do is only insert
one memory stick, boot and see if you can immediately enter
the BIOS. Do this by "Powering ON the computer and
pressing Del key several time to immediately will allow
you to enter BIOS setup.

If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit
the BIOS. Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove
the
power cord wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory
stick.Power up and if
see if all is well.

If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC
Health" status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)

Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick
ratings. (Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change
the

After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM

Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW

Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked
normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot
up.I
tried booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using
old RAM.Is it a
RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.

"JS" wrote:

There is a Elixir Part number, see the web site link below
and use there part numbering scheme, when you post back
the actual part number then I can do a better comparison.
http://www.elixir-memory.com/sup_name_rul_2.asp

Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket
775 motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or
may not be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.

The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi Everyone

Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am
having.

I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found

Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100

Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the
new
RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to
use
the
computer.

Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3
PC3200U-30330 New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L
Series FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP
8X,
2004 GT Edition

Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478

I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to
only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell
me
if the
above
specifications are compatible i would be very much
appreciated.Thanks
again

"JS" wrote:

Kingston Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000/GA-8IPE1000-L Recommended
Memory:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...submit1=Search

Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...00D2N6/1G&id=1

Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor

Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency
For [Auto]

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi JS

I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same
time.Now i
only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only
install
one
Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I
wrote you
the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago

The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L ,
2004 GT
Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x

Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478

Hope that helps.Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please
tell me
if
it
is
compatible with the motherboard i have

Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM

On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T

Thanks again

"Pool" wrote:

Hi JS

I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is
why i
don't
know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You
said
it could
be
a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this
is
the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old
ones
both
have
same
bus 400.Help me please.

"JS" wrote:

Try running Memtest86+, this runs from a boot disk or CD
and should eliminate or confirm if your ram is bad.
Install only your Kingston memory before you start the
test. Let it run for as long as you can, 2,4,6,8 or more
hours,
if no errors by then your ram is OK, but this appears to
be a case of the wrong memory for your PC and I would
expect it will fail within a short period of time is you
are even able
to
boot from the memtest CD or floppy.
See: http://www.memtest.org/

Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM

Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

"Pool" wrote in message
...
Hi

Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB
wanted
to
upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer
took
around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all
working
but
no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and
nothing
on
the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago
when
i
started
computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and
fans
are
working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.

I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came
with
the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.

Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power
supply
problem.Please
help me solve this problem.

Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of
Kingston
1GB
DDR
PC-3200

Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ

Computer specification

Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000
Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x

Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500

Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Any help would be very much appreciated

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