Cloned Additonal Hard Drive Not Recognized

All that you said is the same data that I previously got sometime back from
WD's website except I also found that for a 10 pin Single (Neutral Position)
to use Jumper 4 and 6. Leaving the 10 pin blank is also for the Single
(Standard Installation).

By 1 and 2 jumper positions I was referring to the Cable Select.

What you said is true and I am sorry to have confused you.

ColTom2


"BR549" wrote in message
...
"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I am so delighted to see you answering my question, as you were the one
back in Feb 2008 that answered my original questions when I purchased this
HDD. Your reply then was the most informative and provided me with the
much
needed info. In fact, it was you who alerted me about it being imperative
to
shutdown immediately after completion of clone and remove backup HDD. I
still have a lot to learn about HDD's as you can probably tell.

1. My current system boots fine and I ran an analysis last night with
Spinrite and no problems were detected. I have it connected to the end of
IDE cable with jumper in the no 4 and 6 position..

2. Yes the disk cloning process completed with no problems even though I
did get some kind of sector problem notice. Using Acronis it shutdown the
computer upon completion of clone. The cloned drive was detected as Drive
"F" which was my next available letter. However, I forgot to remove the
HDD
as you advised me to do so.

3. I just assume that the problem that I currently have was caused by not
removing the HDD upon completion of clone, as I have cloned it previously
with no problems using both WD and Acronis software.

4. I tried to use Spinrite to check this HDD, but could not get Spinrite
to
work even though it's a bootable CD, as you probably know. As I recall
Spinrite did identify the HDD in BIOS, but the HDD did not show up
otherwise
where I could select it to run a repair or analysis. As I mentioned in my
original post the HDD does not show up in Disk Management.

5. I have tried connecting it using cable select method as Primary Slave
with the jumpers in position 1 and 2 on both HD's. Also tried connecting
it
as Primary Master with jumper in 4 and 6 position. I don't know what a
PATA
HDD is, but as I recall it's a SATA HDD.

6. My other two computers are laptops so I do not have a source to connect
this HDD. However, I do have an adapter kit for connecting USB 2.0 to
SATA/IDE cable and plan to do so later today. I will reply back to you the
results, as I now wonder if I am getting power to this HDD.

I am hoping that I can find a solution and I am most delighted to have
you
back assisting me. I know if anyone can resolve this you can.

Thanks,

Tom

Tom, I guess Anna understands what your talking about but for the benefit of
myself and others that may be trying to follow this post I would like you to
clarify what you stated about the positions of the jumpers on this WD PATA
hard drive. You refer to positions 1 and 2 and then positions 4 and 6. I
have no idea what you are talking about. That particular WD drive has a 10
pin connector between the power and data cable. It consists of 2 rows of 5
pins and they are labelled right to left, 1 thru 9 on the top and 2 thru 10
on the bottom. Jumpers are placed connecting the upper and lower set of
pins. Jumpering pins 1 and 2 together (2 pins closest to the power plug) is
the Cable Select jumper position. Single drive by itself has no jumpers
installed and would normally be a master only installed at the end of the
cable. Master with a slave attached is jumpered pins 5 to 6, the slave
drive would be jumpered pins 3 to 4. This information was obtained on the
WD website. So would you clarify what you mean by positions 1 and 2 or 4
and 6.
Thanks

Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave. Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom

"Anna" wrote in message
...

"Anna" wrote in message ...
Tom:
The WD links I provided above will allow you to download and create a
*bootable* floppy disk and/or a *bootable* CD on which will be installed
the
WD HDD diagnostic utility program. So you'll be using one or the other (I
believe your Sony desktop PC is equipped with a floppy disk drive as well
as
an optical drive) to boot to the floppy or CD while your "problem" HDD is
connected in the system. It would be a good idea to temporarily disconnect
your primary HDD (and any other storage device) at this time.

Please understand that this WD diagnostic utility will only report if the
disk is defective. It is *not* designed as a data recovery program. Do the
Quick test and if that checks out OK do the Extended test.

Did you ever try connecting the disk on your secondary IDE channel as I
suggested?
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

Thanks so much for your timely reply.

I will create the WD Diagnostic Utility bootable CD and give it a try as
you have suggested. The reason that I have doubts are it says in the
instructions for use "You will see the following options:
a.. SELECT DRIVE - Always choose this option first, as it determines
which
drive you will be working on."
If no drive is identified how can I use this utility?

No I have not tried connecting the disk on my secondary IDE channel
because I meant to ask you about this and forgot, Do you mean by this
connecting the HDD to the middle IDE connector instead of the connector on
the end? I am unfamiliar with the term "secondary IDE" so if you could
explain I would appreciate.

Last is something that I just thought about and I don't know if it makes
any difference or not. In the past I have always used the adapter kit with
laptop HHD's and when I connected the WD HHD this time I did not use a
jumper. I did not know what position, if required, to place the jumper. So
if this could possibly make a difference please advise me accordingly.

Thanks again,

Tom

Tom:
I guess I should have pointed the following out in my last post but I
thought you would be familiar with the boot priority order, i.e., the
motherboard's BIOS setting that allows the user to inform the system which
device should be booted to first, then second, etc. etc.

So it's possible for the user to "instruct" the system to *first* attempt a
boot to a bootable floppy disk (assuming the system is equipped with a
floppy disk drive) or to a bootable CD (DVD) *before* attempting a boot to a
HDD.

In some PCs (it can differ from system to system) the system has been set up
by the manufacturer so that when the system is powered-on and proceeds
through the bootup process, if it detects a bootable CD (DVD) has been
installed the system will automatically boot to that CD (DVD) without any
user intervention.

In other cases the user must select an option to boot from the bootable CD
(DVD) since the system defaults to a boot from a HDD. Hopefully your User
Manual will indicate the process for setting the boot priority order.
Presumably, when the SELECT DRIVE option you mention is accessed you will
have a choice of which device to boot from first. Should this be the case
where you will be using a bootable CD to boot to, you would select your
optical drive as first in boot priority order.

I suppose it goes without saying that only your problem HDD should be
installed/connected at this time - no other storage devices.

In any event setting the boot priority order is not a complicated task and
your User Manual should be informative re this procedure.

As to my suggestion re connecting the "problem" HDD to a secondary IDE
channel...

Again, I was under the impression you were familiar with the "innards" of
your desktop machine and therefore needed no further details re that
process. Anyway, I was presuming that your Sony motherboard was equipped
with two IDE channels - primary & secondary to which devices such as your
HDDs and optical drive(s) are connected. I believe you indicated your
"problem" HDD had been connected on the primary IDE channel as a slave to
your boot HDD. I thought it might be worthwhile to connect it to your
secondary IDE channel (either as master or slave on that channel) to
determine if that connection resolves the problem. It's a long-shot but
sometimes worth a try.

In any event perhaps at this point-in-time it might be best to put that
suggestion aside. For one thing it's possible (although unlikely) that your
Sony motherboard came equipped with only a single IDE channel. And you'll
need another IDE data (ribbon) cable to make the connection. And the process
can be a bit complicated with some Sony motherboards due to their
(frequently) non-standard configuration.

So hold off on that and first use the WD HDD diagnostic utility to determine
if you might simply be dealing with a defective HDD.
Anna

Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave. Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom

"Anna" wrote in message
...

"Anna" wrote in message ...
Tom:
The WD links I provided above will allow you to download and create a
*bootable* floppy disk and/or a *bootable* CD on which will be installed
the
WD HDD diagnostic utility program. So you'll be using one or the other (I
believe your Sony desktop PC is equipped with a floppy disk drive as well
as
an optical drive) to boot to the floppy or CD while your "problem" HDD is
connected in the system. It would be a good idea to temporarily disconnect
your primary HDD (and any other storage device) at this time.

Please understand that this WD diagnostic utility will only report if the
disk is defective. It is *not* designed as a data recovery program. Do the
Quick test and if that checks out OK do the Extended test.

Did you ever try connecting the disk on your secondary IDE channel as I
suggested?
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

Thanks so much for your timely reply.

I will create the WD Diagnostic Utility bootable CD and give it a try as
you have suggested. The reason that I have doubts are it says in the
instructions for use "You will see the following options:
a.. SELECT DRIVE - Always choose this option first, as it determines
which
drive you will be working on."
If no drive is identified how can I use this utility?

No I have not tried connecting the disk on my secondary IDE channel
because I meant to ask you about this and forgot, Do you mean by this
connecting the HDD to the middle IDE connector instead of the connector on
the end? I am unfamiliar with the term "secondary IDE" so if you could
explain I would appreciate.

Last is something that I just thought about and I don't know if it makes
any difference or not. In the past I have always used the adapter kit with
laptop HHD's and when I connected the WD HHD this time I did not use a
jumper. I did not know what position, if required, to place the jumper. So
if this could possibly make a difference please advise me accordingly.

Thanks again,

Tom

Tom:
I guess I should have pointed the following out in my last post but I
thought you would be familiar with the boot priority order, i.e., the
motherboard's BIOS setting that allows the user to inform the system which
device should be booted to first, then second, etc. etc.

So it's possible for the user to "instruct" the system to *first* attempt a
boot to a bootable floppy disk (assuming the system is equipped with a
floppy disk drive) or to a bootable CD (DVD) *before* attempting a boot to a
HDD.

In some PCs (it can differ from system to system) the system has been set up
by the manufacturer so that when the system is powered-on and proceeds
through the bootup process, if it detects a bootable CD (DVD) has been
installed the system will automatically boot to that CD (DVD) without any
user intervention.

In other cases the user must select an option to boot from the bootable CD
(DVD) since the system defaults to a boot from a HDD. Hopefully your User
Manual will indicate the process for setting the boot priority order.
Presumably, when the SELECT DRIVE option you mention is accessed you will
have a choice of which device to boot from first. Should this be the case
where you will be using a bootable CD to boot to, you would select your
optical drive as first in boot priority order.

I suppose it goes without saying that only your problem HDD should be
installed/connected at this time - no other storage devices.

In any event setting the boot priority order is not a complicated task and
your User Manual should be informative re this procedure.

As to my suggestion re connecting the "problem" HDD to a secondary IDE
channel...

Again, I was under the impression you were familiar with the "innards" of
your desktop machine and therefore needed no further details re that
process. Anyway, I was presuming that your Sony motherboard was equipped
with two IDE channels - primary & secondary to which devices such as your
HDDs and optical drive(s) are connected. I believe you indicated your
"problem" HDD had been connected on the primary IDE channel as a slave to
your boot HDD. I thought it might be worthwhile to connect it to your
secondary IDE channel (either as master or slave on that channel) to
determine if that connection resolves the problem. It's a long-shot but
sometimes worth a try.

In any event perhaps at this point-in-time it might be best to put that
suggestion aside. For one thing it's possible (although unlikely) that your
Sony motherboard came equipped with only a single IDE channel. And you'll
need another IDE data (ribbon) cable to make the connection. And the process
can be a bit complicated with some Sony motherboards due to their
(frequently) non-standard configuration.

So hold off on that and first use the WD HDD diagnostic utility to determine
if you might simply be dealing with a defective HDD.
Anna

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I ran the WD HDD Diagnostic Utility or tried to run I should say. I ran
the Extended Test and really don't believe that it ran, as I got a screen
with a lot of data on it almost immediately...
(SNIP)
So it's looks as if I have a defective HDD that is not repairable. I
suppose the question now that I have foremost is what caused the problem
of
cloning this HHD. It's hard to believe that just by not disconnecting as I
should have that it ruined the HDD, but now it looks as if this was the
case.

Anyway I certainly want to thank you for all your time and effort and say
how much I appreciated all that you did. My plans now are to buy another
HHD
and try the cloning once again. Here is an alternate email address for me
that you can contact me direct. It's not my main or regular address, but
one
that I use for public use. I would love to have you
contact me where I would have your address in the future....just in case.
I
will reply with my main email address back to you if you do so.

Thanks so much!

Tom


Tom:
It's hard to imagine that a disk-cloning operation that went awry caused a
disk to become defective. It's just possible it was nothing more than a bad,
sad coincidence in that the disk had become defective shortly before you
undertook the disk-cloning operation or possibly shortly thereafter. I don't
suppose we'll ever know.

Anyway, good luck with the new HDD. At least you'll have a current warranty
covering the disk.

Please forgive me if I do not communicate with you via email. It's just a
personal preference on my part that I rarely depart from. I'll be glad to
offer any help to you (and others) via this and similar newsgroups should I
believe I'm competent to do so and have the time to do so.
Anna

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I ran the WD HDD Diagnostic Utility or tried to run I should say. I ran
the Extended Test and really don't believe that it ran, as I got a screen
with a lot of data on it almost immediately...
(SNIP)
So it's looks as if I have a defective HDD that is not repairable. I
suppose the question now that I have foremost is what caused the problem
of
cloning this HHD. It's hard to believe that just by not disconnecting as I
should have that it ruined the HDD, but now it looks as if this was the
case.

Anyway I certainly want to thank you for all your time and effort and say
how much I appreciated all that you did. My plans now are to buy another
HHD
and try the cloning once again. Here is an alternate email address for me
that you can contact me direct. It's not my main or regular address, but
one
that I use for public use. I would love to have you
contact me where I would have your address in the future....just in case.
I
will reply with my main email address back to you if you do so.

Thanks so much!

Tom


Tom:
It's hard to imagine that a disk-cloning operation that went awry caused a
disk to become defective. It's just possible it was nothing more than a bad,
sad coincidence in that the disk had become defective shortly before you
undertook the disk-cloning operation or possibly shortly thereafter. I don't
suppose we'll ever know.

Anyway, good luck with the new HDD. At least you'll have a current warranty
covering the disk.

Please forgive me if I do not communicate with you via email. It's just a
personal preference on my part that I rarely depart from. I'll be glad to
offer any help to you (and others) via this and similar newsgroups should I
believe I'm competent to do so and have the time to do so.
Anna

ColTom2 wrote:
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave. Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


In terms of ribbon cables, you fill the end position first. If you only
have one hard drive to connect, it goes on the end connector. When you have
two drives, you fill both positions.

If you had a single drive and connected it to the middle connector, you'd
adversely affect signal integrity, and virtually everything transferred on
the cable would be corrupted.

So regardless of connector color, you fill from the end first.

Mobo --------------X--------X
|
Master ("Master Only")
Cable Select (CS)

Mobo --------------X--------X
| |
Slave Master ("Master with Slave")
Master Slave
CS CS

Those diagrams give some jumper options. The ones in quotes are for
Western Digital, and they choose to be different. With the two drives
in place, there are three ways of jumpering, depending on your personal
preference. Manufacturers use Cable Select, to enable easy assembly
of their computers - with CS, the staff don't have to touch the jumpers.
CS works with 80 wire cables. Not all 40 wire cables support CS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_select#Cable_select

Paul

ColTom2 wrote:
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave. Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


In terms of ribbon cables, you fill the end position first. If you only
have one hard drive to connect, it goes on the end connector. When you have
two drives, you fill both positions.

If you had a single drive and connected it to the middle connector, you'd
adversely affect signal integrity, and virtually everything transferred on
the cable would be corrupted.

So regardless of connector color, you fill from the end first.

Mobo --------------X--------X
|
Master ("Master Only")
Cable Select (CS)

Mobo --------------X--------X
| |
Slave Master ("Master with Slave")
Master Slave
CS CS

Those diagrams give some jumper options. The ones in quotes are for
Western Digital, and they choose to be different. With the two drives
in place, there are three ways of jumpering, depending on your personal
preference. Manufacturers use Cable Select, to enable easy assembly
of their computers - with CS, the staff don't have to touch the jumpers.
CS works with 80 wire cables. Not all 40 wire cables support CS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_select#Cable_select

Paul

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave.
Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also
what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data (ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave. So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS. However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave.
Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also
what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data (ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave. So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS. However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna

Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom







"Anna" wrote in message
...

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave.
Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also
what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data (ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave. So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS. However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna

Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom







"Anna" wrote in message
...

"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

I have ordered a new WD HHD the same as I currently have (WD2500BB 250
GB).

I think that the existing HD should be identified as the Primary Master
and the new HHD to be cloned should be identified as the Primary Slave.
Just
to be sure please tell me where the Jumper pins should be on both. Also
what
position on the IDE cable should each HHD be i.e. Middle or End.

The reason that I ask the cable position is that I have read where the
middle connector is black and the end connector is gray at the WD website.
However, the IDE cable in my Sony the connector cables are just opposite.
The black connector is in the middle and the end connector is gray. What
difference does it make as to the color rather than the location?

I just want to be sure that I have the new HHD properly connected for
Automatic cloning with Acronis.

I know that I have asked a lot of you in this and the preceding postings.

Thanks,

Tom


Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data (ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave. So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS. However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna

Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data
(ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data
to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave.
So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS.
However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They
behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some
reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting
the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom


Tom:
First of all it's not unusual for a system to abort the boot process when it
detects a connected defective HDD, even if the latter is the secondary, and
not the boot drive in the system and all connected HDDs have been properly
jumpered/connected. We have experienced this a number of times in the
PATA-IDE environment. I would guess that was at the root of the
failure-to-boot problem you previously experienced.

Keeping in mind that we're talking about a Cable Select jumper configuration
in the following...

Let's assume you have two non-defective HDDs (as you will have shortly); one
HDD serving at the boot drive, the other connected as the secondary HDD.
And, of course, your BIOS HDD boot priority order would reflect a first boot
to the bootable HDD. Standard operating procedure, right?

You *could* (in most cases) use the middle connector on the IDE data cable
to connect the boot drive and the end connector to the secondary HDD. In
most (but not *all*) cases the system will boot & function without problems
and the secondary HDD will be detected & functional in all respects. The PC
user would not detect anything amiss.

What has happened re the preceding scenario is that the boot drive is, in
effect, connected to the system as a Slave, and the secondary HDD is the
Master. As I've indicated, in most cases there will be no adverse effect on
the system performance-wise.

But for a variety of reasons which we need not go into now, this is not good
practice. Simply stated it is *always* wise to connect your PATA boot drive
as Master (on the primary IDE channel) and your secondary HDD as Slave to
the Master. So this would entail connecting the boot drive to the end
connector of the IDE data cable and the secondary HDD to the middle
connector of that data cable. Again, we're talking about a CS configuration.
Anna

Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data
(ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data
to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave.
So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS.
However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They
behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some
reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting
the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom


Tom:
First of all it's not unusual for a system to abort the boot process when it
detects a connected defective HDD, even if the latter is the secondary, and
not the boot drive in the system and all connected HDDs have been properly
jumpered/connected. We have experienced this a number of times in the
PATA-IDE environment. I would guess that was at the root of the
failure-to-boot problem you previously experienced.

Keeping in mind that we're talking about a Cable Select jumper configuration
in the following...

Let's assume you have two non-defective HDDs (as you will have shortly); one
HDD serving at the boot drive, the other connected as the secondary HDD.
And, of course, your BIOS HDD boot priority order would reflect a first boot
to the bootable HDD. Standard operating procedure, right?

You *could* (in most cases) use the middle connector on the IDE data cable
to connect the boot drive and the end connector to the secondary HDD. In
most (but not *all*) cases the system will boot & function without problems
and the secondary HDD will be detected & functional in all respects. The PC
user would not detect anything amiss.

What has happened re the preceding scenario is that the boot drive is, in
effect, connected to the system as a Slave, and the secondary HDD is the
Master. As I've indicated, in most cases there will be no adverse effect on
the system performance-wise.

But for a variety of reasons which we need not go into now, this is not good
practice. Simply stated it is *always* wise to connect your PATA boot drive
as Master (on the primary IDE channel) and your secondary HDD as Slave to
the Master. So this would entail connecting the boot drive to the end
connector of the IDE data cable and the secondary HDD to the middle
connector of that data cable. Again, we're talking about a CS configuration.
Anna

Hi Anna:

When I use Cable Select and connect my current OS HDD, which I assume is
my bootable HDD, to the IDE cable end position it appears in my BIOS as the
Primary Slave with the other HDD connected in the middle. My BIOS for some
reason always detects the Primary Master in the middle position when two
HDD's are connected.

The only way to connect my OS HDD as the Primary Master when two HDD's are
connected is to put it in the middle position according to the BIOS.

When using Cable Select if I put the OS HHD at the end of cable and the
new HDD in the middle my BIOS will indicate the OS HHD as Primary Slave. The
way that I have identified the HHD is by their serial number that appears in
the BIOS. The boot drive is my current OS HDD isn't it? I assume that it is.

Again I can't get the HDD connected to the end position when two HHD's are
connected to appear as Primary Master using Cable Select.

It is wrong for HDD's to appear as I have described isn't it or am I
missing something? If so is there anything that I can do to correct?

Hopefully I have explained my current situation and what I am faced with.
I just don't want to ruin a new HHD....

Tom

P.S. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but as I mentioned
before, the end connector is gray and not black and the middle connector is
black not gray as they are outlined in WD instructions, For some reason on
this Sony computer the IDE cable connectors are not color coded properly for
their position.



"Anna" wrote in message
...

Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data
(ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data
to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave.
So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS.
However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They
behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some
reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting
the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom


Tom:
First of all it's not unusual for a system to abort the boot process when it
detects a connected defective HDD, even if the latter is the secondary, and
not the boot drive in the system and all connected HDDs have been properly
jumpered/connected. We have experienced this a number of times in the
PATA-IDE environment. I would guess that was at the root of the
failure-to-boot problem you previously experienced.

Keeping in mind that we're talking about a Cable Select jumper configuration
in the following...

Let's assume you have two non-defective HDDs (as you will have shortly); one
HDD serving at the boot drive, the other connected as the secondary HDD.
And, of course, your BIOS HDD boot priority order would reflect a first boot
to the bootable HDD. Standard operating procedure, right?

You *could* (in most cases) use the middle connector on the IDE data cable
to connect the boot drive and the end connector to the secondary HDD. In
most (but not *all*) cases the system will boot & function without problems
and the secondary HDD will be detected & functional in all respects. The PC
user would not detect anything amiss.

What has happened re the preceding scenario is that the boot drive is, in
effect, connected to the system as a Slave, and the secondary HDD is the
Master. As I've indicated, in most cases there will be no adverse effect on
the system performance-wise.

But for a variety of reasons which we need not go into now, this is not good
practice. Simply stated it is *always* wise to connect your PATA boot drive
as Master (on the primary IDE channel) and your secondary HDD as Slave to
the Master. So this would entail connecting the boot drive to the end
connector of the IDE data cable and the secondary HDD to the middle
connector of that data cable. Again, we're talking about a CS configuration.
Anna

Hi Anna:

When I use Cable Select and connect my current OS HDD, which I assume is
my bootable HDD, to the IDE cable end position it appears in my BIOS as the
Primary Slave with the other HDD connected in the middle. My BIOS for some
reason always detects the Primary Master in the middle position when two
HDD's are connected.

The only way to connect my OS HDD as the Primary Master when two HDD's are
connected is to put it in the middle position according to the BIOS.

When using Cable Select if I put the OS HHD at the end of cable and the
new HDD in the middle my BIOS will indicate the OS HHD as Primary Slave. The
way that I have identified the HHD is by their serial number that appears in
the BIOS. The boot drive is my current OS HDD isn't it? I assume that it is.

Again I can't get the HDD connected to the end position when two HHD's are
connected to appear as Primary Master using Cable Select.

It is wrong for HDD's to appear as I have described isn't it or am I
missing something? If so is there anything that I can do to correct?

Hopefully I have explained my current situation and what I am faced with.
I just don't want to ruin a new HHD....

Tom

P.S. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but as I mentioned
before, the end connector is gray and not black and the middle connector is
black not gray as they are outlined in WD instructions, For some reason on
this Sony computer the IDE cable connectors are not color coded properly for
their position.



"Anna" wrote in message
...

Tom:
It's probably best to use the Cable Select jumper position for both HDDs.
Don't be concerned with the color of the connectors on the IDE data
(ribbon)
cable. As you suspect, it's their position that's important.

The HDD connected to the *end* connector will serve as Primary Master.
Presumably you'll connect your current HDD containing the OS and all data
to
that connector.

The HDD connected to the *middle* connector will serve as Primary Slave.
So
you'll be connecting your new HDD to that connector.

You probably know this already but in case not, here's the link to the
jumper settings for your HDDs...
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....reated=#jumper
As you will note the setting for CS are jumper positions 1 & 2.

I should mention that on some systems - usually containing a very old
motherboard - we experienced a number of systems that balked at drives
connected (jumpered) CS although (supposedly) they technically met the
specifications for accommodating that jumpered configuration. So the user
was forced to use the Master/Slave jumper positions rather than CS.
However
as I recall we never ran into that problem with Sony machines. They
behaved
very properly in that respect.
Anna


"ColTom2" wrote in message
...
Hi Anna:

As soon as my new HDD comes in hopefully sometime this week I will post
back. As I am not all sure what some of my notes indicate, which are
contrary to what you have indicated.

When I connect two HDD's using Cable Select and check the BIOS location
the Primary Master is in the Middle connection and the Primary Slave is at
the End connection.

I just double checked what I said above to be sure I was correct. I
connected the good HDD to the end position and the bad HDD to the middle
position and hit F2 to check the BIOS before boot up. The BIOS did not
detect either drive, Master or Slave. I suppose the reason being was that
the bad HDD was in the middle connection, which in my system for some
reason
is the Master instead of Slave, and it could not go further in detecting
the
good HDD at the end connection. Thank goodness when I disconnected the bad
HDD and with the good HDD connected at the end position everything
afterwards booted fine.

Anyway I wanted to advise you of this ASAP in case you had any prior
comments about the above.

Thanks again,

Tom


Tom:
First of all it's not unusual for a system to abort the boot process when it
detects a connected defective HDD, even if the latter is the secondary, and
not the boot drive in the system and all connected HDDs have been properly
jumpered/connected. We have experienced this a number of times in the
PATA-IDE environment. I would guess that was at the root of the
failure-to-boot problem you previously experienced.

Keeping in mind that we're talking about a Cable Select jumper configuration
in the following...

Let's assume you have two non-defective HDDs (as you will have shortly); one
HDD serving at the boot drive, the other connected as the secondary HDD.
And, of course, your BIOS HDD boot priority order would reflect a first boot
to the bootable HDD. Standard operating procedure, right?

You *could* (in most cases) use the middle connector on the IDE data cable
to connect the boot drive and the end connector to the secondary HDD. In
most (but not *all*) cases the system will boot & function without problems
and the secondary HDD will be detected & functional in all respects. The PC
user would not detect anything amiss.

What has happened re the preceding scenario is that the boot drive is, in
effect, connected to the system as a Slave, and the secondary HDD is the
Master. As I've indicated, in most cases there will be no adverse effect on
the system performance-wise.

But for a variety of reasons which we need not go into now, this is not good
practice. Simply stated it is *always* wise to connect your PATA boot drive
as Master (on the primary IDE channel) and your secondary HDD as Slave to
the Master. So this would entail connecting the boot drive to the end
connector of the IDE data cable and the secondary HDD to the middle
connector of that data cable. Again, we're talking about a CS configuration.
Anna