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Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:18:09 -0500, Paul wrote:
The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. This does look to be thge best way to clone these drives. I dont even want to attempt to do it with a CD, because I've been thru trying to configure CD drives and Hard drives on the same cable, and it naver worked. Not to mention I only have connectors for TWO IDEs and would need THREE. On top of that, I will do anything to avoid burning CDs. Thats generally another nightmare, especially if they need to be bootable. I'll have to drive to town and see if I can download it at a WIFI, but it sure seems like the file is borked, and I'm not willing to drive 10 miles for nothing. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? wget http://www.domain.com/file.zip This got 404 Error The page you requested no longer exists or is temporarily unavailable. That puts "file.zip" in your current working directory plus it give you a progress bar to watch the download. ******* The one in here is fairly small. If I get the gnuwin32 one, that has bigger files for some reason. 2,265,402 bytes (this is the WinXP windows update fetcher package) https://web.archive.org/web/20140605...offline921.zip And this thing quit early too, and left me with a useless 300K file. Inside the ZIP file, in wsusoffline\bin\ you will find wget.exe 233984 bytes. You can then try that on the annoying NGINX server at dslreports. Paul |
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:18:09 -0500, Paul wrote: The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. This does look to be thge best way to clone these drives. I dont even want to attempt to do it with a CD, because I've been thru trying to configure CD drives and Hard drives on the same cable, and it naver worked. Not to mention I only have connectors for TWO IDEs and would need THREE. On top of that, I will do anything to avoid burning CDs. Thats generally another nightmare, especially if they need to be bootable. I'll have to drive to town and see if I can download it at a WIFI, but it sure seems like the file is borked, and I'm not willing to drive 10 miles for nothing. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? wget http://www.domain.com/file.zip This got 404 Error The page you requested no longer exists or is temporarily unavailable. That puts "file.zip" in your current working directory plus it give you a progress bar to watch the download. ******* The one in here is fairly small. If I get the gnuwin32 one, that has bigger files for some reason. 2,265,402 bytes (this is the WinXP windows update fetcher package) https://web.archive.org/web/20140605...offline921.zip And this thing quit early too, and left me with a useless 300K file. Inside the ZIP file, in wsusoffline\bin\ you will find wget.exe 233984 bytes. You can then try that on the annoying NGINX server at dslreports. Paul The first command was an example of how to use wget. I don't know the original source of the 233984 byte version of wget.exe. It appears my copy came from a wsusoffline download. One "official" source, the file is larger than that by quite a bit. WGET is just an alternative to using a browser for fetching an HTTP protocol download. It even got its own article in Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget "Robustness Wget has been designed for robustness over slow or unstable network connections. If a download does not complete due to a network problem, Wget will automatically try to continue the download from where it left off, and repeat this until the whole file has been retrieved. It was one of the first clients to make use of the then-new "Range" HTTP header to support this feature. " As for the download itself, I didn't have a problem fetching it here with a browser. Or with wget. This is a picture of the command prompt window while wget runs. (Picture looks similar to the Wikipedia article, so don't waste your time.) https://s1.postimg.org/9hsctv95xr/wget_in_action.gif Some browsers have retry capability, which means if a file transfer stops (due to dialup disease), you try the transfer again, and the original file is just added to, until the transfer is complete. The server has to support the protocol. It amounts to supporting a "block range" option, and may be part of supporting the opening of multiple IP connections to download a file. ******* I analyzed that file. 7ZIP is having trouble with it. The Windows ZIP built-in says the file is corrupted. The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted I could tell by looking at the end of the file with a hex editor, that something wasn't quite right. 7ZIP reports Headers Error: GHOST_BOOTx.IMA There are two 1440K .ima entries in there, corresponding to two floppy diskette images. The first .ima extracts OK with 7ZIP, but the second doesn't. It's possible, when you run the "GHOST_BOOTx.exe" file, that it will do a better job. I don't know if I have two actual blank floppies to use for that :-) Anyway, don't be surprised if this exercise is nothing but a PITA. That's what the analysis says so far, but I don't want to spoil your fun. Good luck, Mr.Philips. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds... Paul |
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Ghost 2003:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip Paul wrote: It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read". The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. The file is 1310 kbytes. On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec. 1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you 1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file. Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error: idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed' This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do with using wget to retrieve an https url. wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while. |
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Ghost 2003: http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip Paul wrote: It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read". The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. The file is 1310 kbytes. On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec. 1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you 1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file. Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error: idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed' This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do with using wget to retrieve an https url. wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while. When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The copy of wget in the wsusoffline download, doesn't use a separate iconv.dll like the gnuwin32 version does. You might test that and see if you get a similar error. For some reason, the wsusoffline version is a lot smaller than the current gnuwin32 downloads one. And I can't tell the history of these things, because the files don't contain metadata to mark them. There's nothing magic about the wget, and this is just an experiment to see if another transfer agent will give any different kind of result. Paul |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:17:05 -0500, Some Guy wrote:
Ghost 2003: http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip Paul wrote: It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read". The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. The file is 1310 kbytes. On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec. 1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you 1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file. Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error: idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed' This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do with using wget to retrieve an https url. wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while. I never connect at 56k. If I get 44K I'm lucky. Most of the time I get around 30K. There is about one mile of old copper cable coming to my house from the pedestal along the road, and the wire coming ot the pedestal is probably also real old. When you live in a rural area, these old wires were only meant to be used for voice telephone. I did get that Ghost zipfile though. I just took my laptop to a WIFI and it took seconds. Now that I got it, I am wondering what to do with it. Inside is a .EXE file. Do I need to run that and make a floppy, or what? I hesitate to run stuff like that, not knowing what to expect. At the WIFI I looked up wget. After getting thru all the bogus websites trying ot get me to download some other ****, I did find a legitimate copy of it and downloaded it. However, in the process I ran across a few forums that said that it no longer works, and even some website that said to download some other file to correct the errors it's giving. That pretty much threw up a red flag as far as even trying it. |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 11:40:42 -0500, Paul wrote:
Some Guy wrote: Ghost 2003: http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip Paul wrote: It looks like you are saying that you downloaded the Ghost zipfile. Is that correct? It is refusing to download for me. It starts downloading and fails after about 10 seconds, saying "source could not be read". The file is 1.3mb. It will take a half hour on my dialup, but I can usually DL files of that size without problems. The file is 1310 kbytes. On a 56kbit dial-up connection, your throughput should be 5.5 kbyte/sec. 1310 / 5.5 = 238 seconds. That's about 4 minutes. Shouldn't take you 1/2 hour to download a 1.3 megabyte file. Firefox 2.0.0.20 can download the above zip file with no problem. Do you have a copy of "wget.exe" ? Odd thing I'm finding about wget lately. I've got 2 versions of it on my win-98 computer. Both of them are giving me this error: idn_decode failed (9): 'System iconv failed' This is not a host-ip DNS resolution failure, and this has nothing to do with using wget to retrieve an https url. wget used to work, but I haven't used it in a while. When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The copy of wget in the wsusoffline download, doesn't use a separate iconv.dll like the gnuwin32 version does. You might test that and see if you get a similar error. For some reason, the wsusoffline version is a lot smaller than the current gnuwin32 downloads one. And I can't tell the history of these things, because the files don't contain metadata to mark them. There's nothing magic about the wget, and this is just an experiment to see if another transfer agent will give any different kind of result. Paul I just bought Norton Ghost 2003 on ebay for $10 shipped. Complete with the manual and box. I'm sure all this crap online is corrupted intentionally because it's pirated commercial software, even if it is nearly abandoned. Back in the 90s, a person could get any commercial software on the web, but that is no longer the case. I dont even try to get that stuff anymore. THen again, I dont need any software. I have everything I need. But this Ghost is one thing I always wanted and needed. Now I will have a legal copy. I bought Partition Magic on ebay too and that gets used very often. I have no intention of ever using any Windows newer than XP anyhow. I use my XP and my Win98 and that is all I will ever need. By the time XP no longer connects to the internet, I wont be using the internet, because the entire internet is going to be Facebook, and I will require someone to pay me at least $250,000 before I even get a FB account. And I dont expect anyone to pay me.... |
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When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The page where I got the ghost link from is this: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will have the current (real-time) date and time. The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread): http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806 bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing). And it won't unpack. It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command line, assuming wget has that ability). So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD And then click on the ghost download link in the first post. |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:23:32 -0500, Some Guy wrote:
Paul wrote: When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The page where I got the ghost link from is this: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will have the current (real-time) date and time. The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread): http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806 bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing). And it won't unpack. It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command line, assuming wget has that ability). So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD And then click on the ghost download link in the first post. Good grief.... If it's that complicated and confusing, I'm glad I spent the $10 to buy it. By the time I got this thing downloaded I would have spent at least $10 for headache medication...... Actually I think I did get a usable download, at least the zipfile opens, but after I open it, I had no clue what to do with the .EXE inside of it. I'm hoping the CD in my purchased copy will allow me to create a bootable floppy. I'll be doing that using a different computer which has a CD drive, and a USB floppy drive. I cant run a CD drive on the computer I intend to use to clone the hard drives. I need both IDE connectors for drives. There wont be one available for a CD drive. I'm sure one I get this in the mail, I will figure it out from the manual included with it. |
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Some Guy wrote:
Paul wrote: When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The page where I got the ghost link from is this: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will have the current (real-time) date and time. The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread): http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806 bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing). And it won't unpack. It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command line, assuming wget has that ability). So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD And then click on the ghost download link in the first post. In this example, there's no referer, and the correct size results. An attempt to do this with WGET on the same platform, gives the "smaller" (1,339,806 bytes) file. paul@mint ~ $ http GET http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip --output out.zip paul@mint ~ $ ls -al total 1320 -rw-r--r-- 1 paul paul 1340942 Nov 12 01:53 out.zip paul@mint ~ $ I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly by the NGINX server. And logically, even though the files are different sizes, when unpacked, they have the same GHOST_BOOTx.exe (1,397,111 bytes) inside the ZIP file. Whatever horrid mutilation is happening, it hasn't affected the payload. Other than that, I haven't been able to figure out what the crap at the beginning and the end of the file means. It's an encapsulation, but what is it ? ******* Using either the proper sized or the smaller ZIP, you can extract the EXE inside it. The 1,397,111 byte GHOST_BOOTx.exe is a self extracting ZIP. At hex offset 0x2121C of that EXE, you will find 50 4B 03 04 (PK/3/4). Which is the start of the archive. That means everything before that address, is the SFX program for self-extraction (on run). Near the end of the EXE file, in the "trailer" area, at 0x155142 you will find that address value in reverse order "1C 12 02". OK, now if you remove the SFX portion, the executable at the beginning of the file, it's still a ZIP. What I did, was remove everything from 0x0 up to 0x2121C. The result is a file that now starts with 50 4B 03 04 (PK/3/4). You want to have the PK from 0x2121C kept in the file. In the trailer area, where it says "1C 12 02", replace that with "00 00 00". That's because, with the SFX removed from the beginning, the archive now starts at zero, instead of starting at 0x2121C. If you don't correct the offset stored in the trailer, that causes another error. Save the file. Now, when you feed that to a modern ZIP utility, it sees *one* IMA file (floppy diskette) inside, with good CRC. paul@mint ~ $ unzip -t snip3.bin Archive: snip3.bin testing: GHOST_BOOTx.IMA OK No errors detected in compressed data of snip3.bin. paul@mint ~ $ file snip3.bin snip3.bin: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract paul@mint ~ $ The same file from 7ZIP in Windows, shows only one IMA and no header errors. L:\snip3.bin\ size packed modified CRC GHOST_BOOTx.IMA 1474560 1261251 2003-01-10 22:06 5D725E63 And that CRC value, you can see it in reverse order down near the end of the file. Before the trailer starts. ******* As for the floppy itself, it doesn't have a copy of Ghost on it. But, a puzzle for you. When you "winimage" something, it works at the sector level. Notice that the floppy must have been filled with relatively random data, because the compressed archive saved hardly any space at all. That means there *could* be deleted files, sitting on the floppy. A good technician, would have zeroed the white space on the floppy, before winimaging, as this would make the archive significantly smaller. By winimaging the raw floppy, without doing any hygiene, means there could be "interesting things" on there. And maybe, that's what the person who posted that, had in mind :-) You never know. I've had enough fun for now. Paul |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:23:32 -0500, Some Guy wrote: Paul wrote: When you unpack the above GHOST_BOOTx.zip file, are you finding it corrupted ? There seems to be a problem unpacking the second floppy image. The file might have been truncated. The page where I got the ghost link from is this: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD The first post gives a direct link to the file. If you click on the link and download it, you get a file with 1,340,942 bytes and it will have the current (real-time) date and time. The direct link is this (this is what I posted earlier in this thread): http://www.dslreports.com/r0/downloa...HOST_BOOTx.zip I now see that if you try to download this file using wget, or by directly entering it into a browser, you get a file with 1,339,806 bytes, and it has a date of 1/11/2004 (at least that's what I'm seeing). And it won't unpack. It might be that the dslreports server is not giving the entire file unless your http file request includes this as the referrer url: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD wget won't give any referrer URL (unless you specifiy one on the command line, assuming wget has that ability). So in other words, you need to access this page using any browser: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r562...ppy-for-BootCD And then click on the ghost download link in the first post. Good grief.... If it's that complicated and confusing, I'm glad I spent the $10 to buy it. By the time I got this thing downloaded I would have spent at least $10 for headache medication...... Actually I think I did get a usable download, at least the zipfile opens, but after I open it, I had no clue what to do with the .EXE inside of it. I'm hoping the CD in my purchased copy will allow me to create a bootable floppy. I'll be doing that using a different computer which has a CD drive, and a USB floppy drive. I cant run a CD drive on the computer I intend to use to clone the hard drives. I need both IDE connectors for drives. There wont be one available for a CD drive. I'm sure one I get this in the mail, I will figure it out from the manual included with it. For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen... https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif There might have been files on the floppy that were deleted, just before the diskette was winimaged. In which case, after the floppy is written, you could run recuva or photorec or stuff of that sort, and see what "old" files were on that floppy. Just for fun of course. I don't really know what's on there. Paul |
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For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen... https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif There might have been files on the floppy that were deleted, just before the diskette was winimaged. In which case, after the floppy is written, you could run recuva or photorec or stuff of that sort, and see what "old" files were on that floppy. Just for fun of course. I don't really know what's on there. Paul Oh, my :-) Do I know human nature, or what. https://s8.postimg.org/uu1l1wekl/party_time.gif Paul |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:22:18 -0500, Paul wrote:
I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly by the NGINX server. Maybe you need to run PKZIPFIX on it. That has always been handy. None of the Windows ZIP programs have that sort of thing..... |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 03:06:11 -0500, Paul wrote:
For the EXE, double-click it, stick a blank floppy in the floppy drive, and there should be a winimage screen... https://s8.postimg.org/7xor5c1id/click_that_EXE.gif Ok, I clicked on it on my lastop and I got that same view. There is no floppy drive on that laptop though. I do have an external USB floppy drive, I wonder if that will work? (First I got to find that thing). Actually the only computer that has a floppy drive is my Windows 98 machine. I hope this EXE will run on Win98. I could also plug a floppy drive into my XP desktop. It has the connector for a floppy on the motherboard. Come to think of it, that tower has space to install a floppy drive. I should just put one in there permanently. I can see one problem though. That tower dont have the mini-molex plug that the floppy drive needs. Looks like another trip to ebay is needed. (What is the correct name for that plug adaptor?) |
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