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Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:37:23 -0500, Paul wrote:
How is that possible ? You'd need a pretty new power supply, to not have the floppy connector. Or maybe a very old one. "Molex 4-pin LP4 & Floppy Drive 4-pin SP4 Female Adapter Converter Y Cable" The closest I could find to a classical one, is a Molex that goes to two SP4 connectors. https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go.../dp/B0002J1KW6 Normally, you'd buy a Molex that goes to another Molex plus a Floppy SP4. And I'm not seeing any of those for sale. ******* This site has pictures of power connectors if you need them. Might take a while to load on your dialup connection. http://www.playtool.com/pages/psucon...onnectors.html ******* I would check to make sure one of the wire looms isn't all wound up in an elastic and hiding the floppy power connection. Paul You're right. It was well hidden. That computer came with one of those mini card readers. For SD, MMC, whatever they are all called.... I think that thing was put where a floppy drive would go. That thing had 4 slots, and was using 4 drive letters, sandwiched in between hard drives and CD. That annoyed the **** out of me, so I unplugged it almost as soon as I bought the computer. (The only mini cards I use are SD from my camera, and I have a USB adaptor for that). Anyhow, the power plug for a floppy drive was crammed above that stupid mini card thing. Since I dont plan ot ever use that thing, I may remove it and put my floppy drive in that slot. By the way, it's been a long time since I installed a floppy drive. The cable is straight on one end and has a set of twisted wires on the other end. Am I correct that the twisted end goes to the floppy drive? (Or will it work either way)? |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:42:19 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: If you have two connectors, you can almost certainly have four (E)IDE drives: each IDE cable can support two devices, either master and slave (determined by the position - usually absence or presence - of a link on the drives themselves), or cable select. (Master/slave is the commonest in my experience.) There is only one IDE connector on the motherbd. One of them goes to the CD drive. There are two SATA connectors too. Those go to the hard drives. But I plan to clone two IDE drives by unplugging the SATA drives. Thats why I cant plug in two IDE drives and a CD drive. |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:37:23 -0500, Paul wrote: How is that possible ? You'd need a pretty new power supply, to not have the floppy connector. Or maybe a very old one. "Molex 4-pin LP4 & Floppy Drive 4-pin SP4 Female Adapter Converter Y Cable" The closest I could find to a classical one, is a Molex that goes to two SP4 connectors. https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go.../dp/B0002J1KW6 Normally, you'd buy a Molex that goes to another Molex plus a Floppy SP4. And I'm not seeing any of those for sale. ******* This site has pictures of power connectors if you need them. Might take a while to load on your dialup connection. http://www.playtool.com/pages/psucon...onnectors.html ******* I would check to make sure one of the wire looms isn't all wound up in an elastic and hiding the floppy power connection. Paul You're right. It was well hidden. That computer came with one of those mini card readers. For SD, MMC, whatever they are all called.... I think that thing was put where a floppy drive would go. That thing had 4 slots, and was using 4 drive letters, sandwiched in between hard drives and CD. That annoyed the **** out of me, so I unplugged it almost as soon as I bought the computer. (The only mini cards I use are SD from my camera, and I have a USB adaptor for that). Anyhow, the power plug for a floppy drive was crammed above that stupid mini card thing. Since I dont plan ot ever use that thing, I may remove it and put my floppy drive in that slot. By the way, it's been a long time since I installed a floppy drive. The cable is straight on one end and has a set of twisted wires on the other end. Am I correct that the twisted end goes to the floppy drive? (Or will it work either way)? The twisted end is the floppy end. The twist is presumably for drive selection, but maybe Wikipedia has a reference on that. X------------------X--twist--X mobo FloppyA The cable has a red mark indicating pin 1. The drive casing has a triangle marking pin 1 stamped in the metal. You need a strong work light, and your wits about you, not to miss these "hints printed in metal". It was the same thing when I got my first optical drive to install, I entirely missed the beautiful legend printed in the metal, which identified everything. Some drive cables have the alignment tab, but it's quite common for installers to get it wrong, and rotate the cable 180 degrees. If the cable is rotated on the floppy end, the LED on the floppy will come on, the heads will stay selected. That's how you know it's inserted wrong on the floppy end. There is no damage to the floppy, if it's inserted wrong. I can't say what happens if you insert cable wrong in FloppyA and right in FloppyB, whether messing up one of the two connectors in a dual floppy setup, has as happy a set of symptoms. The motherboard end, the cable should have a "blocked pin". Using a flashlight, examine the floppy connector on the motherboard for a missing pin. The motherboard connector should have a dot or triangle near the pin 1 end. The alignment (Blocked) pin should prevent the motherboard end from being inserted incorrectly. And sometimes the motherboard end has an alignment tab, which makes it real easy to figure out. There are hints. You need a lot of light. The symbols needed, are in the general area, so keep looking for hints. But the floppy cable is just about the worst design in the machine, in terms of keying. As far as I'm concerned they could have used the alignment tabs that prevent reversal, on all the connectors. ******* Just because a machine has one IDE (for two HDD), and two SATA cables (for two more HDD), doesn't mean you're limited. There are SATA to IDE and IDE to SATA dongles of various sorts. I own an IDE to SATA, for my IDE motherboards, so I can connect a SATA drive to them. I don't have a SATA to IDE drive one, it's missing from my collection. I had a great brand picked out and everything, but no retailer in Canada carried it. Some of the good ones, went out of production seven years ago. But, there are still a few for sale today. There are a number of different designs - some are even "bidirectional" designs. And it's the usual thing, some fit the device end, some are designed to be plugged into the motherboard end. I was limited to shopping in Canada, by the Customs & Excise scam the courier companies were carrying out. No company wants to deal with Postal Mail shipments today. They all want to use a courier. The courier wants to slap a brokerage fee onto the shipping, making it uneconomical for small shipments. Over the years, Canada has not raised the "small dollar" customs-free feature, and it's possibly still in the $20 range. If something arrives by Post for example, with a stated dollar value less than $20, there's no Customs & Excise stop for that. Canada Post just delivers that to your door. When I was a teenager, before Couriers, all the surplus electronics companies I used to deal with, they shipped Postal no problem at all. I used to do my own brokerage at the Customs & Excise building myself. Canada Post would send the parcel to Customs, a notice card would come in the mail, I'd head down and deal with a clerk at the counter. No scams back in those times... Actual honest dealing. Unheard of. Paul |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:22:04 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: Ah, when you said "I need both those connectors ..." I thought you meant on the board. I now see you mean on the (single) cable. Yes, I can get your inclination to use a floppy - and if that works, fine. I think you can put Macrium or Acronis on bootable USB sticks, but that motherboard probably won't boot from USB. (You can also get SATA CD/DVD drives - in fact, I think they're commonest these days.) Or temporarily connect both EIDE hard drives to another computer, and use that to do the cloning. Hang on though: You say "There is only one IDE connector on the motherbd. One of them goes to the CD drive." One of them? You have the CD drive and the HD connected to the motherboard - are they both on the same cable, going to one connector on the mobo? If they're each connected to a separate connector on the mobo, you can connect up to four EIDE objects - you just need cables with three connectors on them. (One for the mobo, two for the drives.) -- I thought I wasclear when I said THERE IS ONLY ONE IDE CONNECTOR ON THE MOTHERBOARD. That means I can use two devices. Yes, this computer will boot from a USB stick. I have a few sticks with older versions of Linux that I occasionally boot up. BUt I'll stick with Norton Ghost and a floppy. Easiest solution, and Acronis is said to be very complicated. I prefer simple!!! |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:06:33 -0500, Paul wrote:
The cable has a red mark indicating pin 1. The drive casing has a triangle marking pin 1 stamped in the metal. You need a strong work light, and your wits about you, not to miss these "hints printed in metal". It was the same thing when I got my first optical drive to install, I entirely missed the beautiful legend printed in the metal, which identified everything. Some drive cables have the alignment tab, but it's quite common for installers to get it wrong, and Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. They can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks. |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 09:17:49 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. They can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks. The twist determines which is drive A: and which drive B:; I don't remember for sure which connector is A and which B. The connector on the end (the one after the twist) is for drive A: (I tink). -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 09:17:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , writes: [] Both the cable and drive and mothervboard have an alignment tab. They can only be plugged in one way. However, I could put the twisted end on the MB side. But now I know it belongs on the drive end. Thanks. The twist determines which is drive A: and which drive B:; I don't remember for sure which connector is A and which B. The only floppy cable I have is a single. Only one connector. (not including the MOBO end). But I do remember the double ones on some of my real old computers. I may even have another one in one of the old computers in the garage tbat I still have. But I see no reason for two floppy drives these days. Back in the DOS days I had a 3.5 and 5.25 drive on the same computer. I know I'll never use a 5.25 drive again. Anyhow, this cable is for a single floppy drive and has that twist. I kind of wonder if I used a cable without a twist, would the ONLY drive become B: instead of A:? Its funny how stuff like this fades from time. I worked on lots of the old computers with single and double floppy drives, but that was 30 years ago.... THe last time I did anything with a floppy drive was maybe 10 years ago, when I replaced a bad drive, but that was just using the existing cables. One thing about floppy drives, they seem to go bad even if they are not used. I think it's all because of dust getting in them. Computers are notorious for sucking in dust. Every year I have to vacuum out mine. And every 3 years or so I open the power supply and blow it out with an air compressor, cuz them fans really get filthy. I think they should make air filters foir them! |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:22:18 -0500, Paul wrote: I compared the two files, and there is a weirdness at around every ~32KB of data in the ZIP. Almost as if maybe the file was being re-encoded on the fly by the NGINX server. Maybe you need to run PKZIPFIX on it. That has always been handy. None of the Windows ZIP programs have that sort of thing..... I miss the old days like PKWARE. V2.04g was the last version IIRC for DOS! I still use zip and unzip commands in Linux, UNIX, etc. though. -- Quote of the Week: "I go out of my way to avoid stepping on ants." --Terry McGovern, daughter of Senator George and Eleanor McGovern, subject of the book "Terry by her father" Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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.... I never connect at 56k. If I get 44K I'm lucky. Most of the time I get around 30K. There is about one mile of old copper cable coming to my house from the pedestal along the road, and the wire coming ot the pedestal is probably also real old. When you live in a rural area, these old wires were only meant to be used for voice telephone. Better than me. Mine were awful at home and college 30 minuts away. Connections were mostly at 26400. Lucky at 31200. It didn't matter where and how good my modems were. Average was about 3kBs for compressed datas in downloads. Also, I couldn't get DSL. I could get IDSL, but that was like 144 Kbs that costed over $100 IIRC back in the 2000s. And then Excite@Home with Adelphia came among. It sucked too until it became DOCSIS complaint and had a complete digital makeover. :/ -- Quote of the Week: "I go out of my way to avoid stepping on ants." --Terry McGovern, daughter of Senator George and Eleanor McGovern, subject of the book "Terry by her father" Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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