How Move OS XP from Old to New HD?

In article , Nehmo
Sergheyev writes

snipped lots of difficulties

Do yourself a favour and do as Rod has suggested and use some drive
imaging software to copy the complete partition at a lower level that
Windows XP cannot interfere with.

You can get hold of a thirty-day trial of 'Image for Windows' from here,
which should hopefully do the job:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

It actually runs from within Windows XP and seems to work just fine.

If your new drive hasn't been partitioned yet and is not being picked up
by XP then you're going to have to do that first, though. This can be
done from within windows itself, though I forget exactly where.
Something in control panel to do with 'admin tools' and 'management',
but the exact area eludes me. I'm writing this from within win98, so am
unable to double-check. If windows XP does see the new drive then all
you need to do is format it (if not done already) and then go ahead with
the image copying process. Job done. Take out old drive and put in new
as Master device and you're away.

One potential problem may be to do with product activation now seeing a
new device. I say potential as I haven't copied XP home, only XP pro
before so I'm not sure what may happen.
--
Peter Ives
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"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message ...
Windows XP Home (SP1)
I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using
NTFS, which had the OS and everything else on it.
I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model
6Y080P0,
which has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the
back)
as a slave. It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and
Online
using NTFS.
The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor
guy on the phone said I could use that to move the OS, but
I'm not clear how. It has a copy function, but then how do I
get the computer to know the OS is now on E instead of C?

- Rod Speed -
Its better to just copy it from the original drive to the new
one and boot with just the new one plugged in on the first
boot after the copy. XP will then see that as the C drive.

You can connect the original drive again after thats been done.

I havent tried doing the copy with MaxBlast.
I have done it with both ghost and drive image.

There is also now www.xxclone.com but I havent tried that
either.
.The crucial bit is to only have the new
drive plugged in on the first boot after the copy.

- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it
- Nehmo -
It didn't work.
MaxBlast seemed to copy all (except a few unnecessary) files. I shut
down unplugged the old drive Restarted a message displayed:
Operating System Not Found

- Rod Speed -
Works fine with drive image and ghost.

- Nehmo -
I suspect the problem is not with the copy
program. MaxBlast seemed to do the job,

Dunno, when it says 'Operating System Not Found',
clearly not everything necessary to boot the drive has
got copied to the new drive. Presumably MaxBlast
doesnt understand what needs to be copied.

and I don't see copying as an overly complicated operation.

Its a bit more subtle than it looks when copying everything
on a physical drive that is necessary to boot off the drive.

I think maybe I should reset the jumpers and follow the rest
of the instructions in an article I found on the Maxtor site.

Shouldnt be necessary with a properly designed program
when drive image and ghost can manage it fine.

I copied article in its entirety under the link below,
but the first paragraph of it might be relevant since
I currently have the new drive jumper-configured as slave:

"1. Install the new drive as a slave to the Master boot drive.
If the new drive is as a slave on the same cable as the Master boot
drive then you should set both drives' jumpers to Cable Select."

Thats just one possible approach, using cable select. And
you need to be using a cable select cable for that to work too.

From that paragraph, it appears a drive can be a slave without
being configured as a slave with the jumpers. It apparently directs
you to configure both drives, new and old, as Cable Select.

Cable select is an alternative approach to jumpering one
drive as master and the other as slave. Both will work fine
and the cable select approach must have a cable select cable.

You probably do have a cable select cable if its an 80 wire cable.

Further on in the Answer, the directions are to.
"2. Confirm that the new hard drive is installed
and detected by the system BIOS"

I'm not sure how to do that.

Basically if they both get listed on the black bios
boot screen at boot time, that has been achieved.

I understand the system BIOS is something that comes up when
you start, but I'm not clear how to instruct it to do anything.

You normally hit the Del key when thats mentioned on the
black bios screen at boot time and you can edit the bios
settings in there. You dont normally need to do anything
special with a new drive, the drive type entrys should be
set to AUTO and thats the default with modern systems.

I also don't understand what they mean by
"3. Boot your system from the MaxBlaxt 3 CD."
How would I do that?

If you have a MaxBlast CD, and you may not if you have
downloaded MaxBlast from their web site, you just put the
CD in the cdrom drive, and set the bios to boot from the CD.

I notice in 10, the directions neglect to tell you to connect
the old drive to anything, but I believe they mean for you
to connect the gray (slave position) connector to it.

Yes, the middle connector if you are using cable select.

After reading these instructions, I'm thinking maybe I can change the
jumpers on both old and new drives to Cable Select turn off computer
change the positions of the drives on the ribbon (IDE interface cable)
to new HD on black as master and old HD on grey as slave then restart.

Yes, you can do that.

Do you think trying this procedure is dangerous in any way?

Nope. It isnt likely to make any difference to the copy tho.

BTW, Ron, I notice you post a lot on the subject of HDs.
Do you do something with HDs for a living?

I may well have been doing that since before you were even born |-)

And not just HDs either.

http://www.ericseven.com?id=1262 quote
This article explains how to copy the operating system from
an existing boot drive to a new drive using MaxBlast 3

Answer:
1. Install the new drive as a slave to the Master boot drive.
If the new drive is as a slave on the same cable as the Master
boot drive then you should set both drives' jumpers to Cable Select.

That is just plain wrong. That isnt necessary
and it needs to be a cable select cable too.

If you are using an Ultra ATA PCI adapter please make
sure that both hard drives are connected to the adapter card.

Thats not necessary either.

2. Confirm that the new hard drive is
installed and detected by the system BIOS.

Adding a new drive may require BIOS configuration, refer to
your system manual for BIOS settings to Auto-detect the new drive.

Thats wrong too. Its better to ensure that the drive type is set to AUTO.

The system BIOS will not detect drives that are connected to an
Ultra ATA PCI card. The Ultra ATA PCI card uses its own BIOS
and should display the drives that are connected to it during boot.

3. Boot your system from the MaxBlast 3 CD or floppy.
You may need to change your BIOS settings to boot to the CD or floppy.

4. If the drive is not formatted or partitioned Maxblast 3
will notify you that it has found a new hard drive.
Click yes to continue.

5. Follow the on-screen prompts to
step through the installation process.

6. Stop at "Choose An Installation Method"
Select the "Install drive as a new boot drive" option.
This procedure prompts the copy process.

7. Select "Advanced Installation" Method.
Here you can specify the partition size.

8. Follow the on-screen prompts to step
through the installation process.

9. Shutdown the computer.
When MaxBlast 3 is finished copying the data to your new boot drive,
remove any CDs or floppies, and perform a normal shutdown. (Power Off)

10. Unplug the ATA cable from both the new and old drives,
then re-connect the new drive as Primary Master.

He did get that bit right, that its important to have only
the new drive connected on the first boot after the copy.

Cable Note: The black connector is always master.
The grey connector is always slave.
The blue connector always connects
to motherboard or add-in UDMA controller.

ONLY if cable select is used.

11. Power the system on.
At the Windows desktop, double click the My Computer icon.
The newly installed boot drive will appear as drive letter C.

12. The old hard drive can now be used for additional storage. /quote

But you obviously have to plug it back in first before you can do that.
No hard drive works very well when its not even plugged in.

Whoops, meant to say try using www.xxclone.com
if you dont have ghost or drive image instead of
bothering with cable select.

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message ...
Windows XP Home (SP1)
I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using
NTFS, which had the OS and everything else on it.
I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model
6Y080P0,
which has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the
back)
as a slave. It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and
Online
using NTFS.
The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor
guy on the phone said I could use that to move the OS, but
I'm not clear how. It has a copy function, but then how do I
get the computer to know the OS is now on E instead of C?

- Rod Speed -
Its better to just copy it from the original drive to the new
one and boot with just the new one plugged in on the first
boot after the copy. XP will then see that as the C drive.

You can connect the original drive again after thats been done.

I havent tried doing the copy with MaxBlast.
I have done it with both ghost and drive image.

There is also now www.xxclone.com but I havent tried that
either.
.The crucial bit is to only have the new
drive plugged in on the first boot after the copy.

- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it
- Nehmo -
It didn't work.
MaxBlast seemed to copy all (except a few unnecessary) files. I shut
down unplugged the old drive Restarted a message displayed:
Operating System Not Found

- Rod Speed -
Works fine with drive image and ghost.

- Nehmo -
I suspect the problem is not with the copy program. MaxBlast seemed to
do the job, and I don't see copying as an overly complicated operation.
I think maybe I should reset the jumpers and follow the rest of the
instructions in an article I found on the Maxtor site. I copied article
in its entirety under the link below, but the first paragraph of it
might be relevant since I currently have the new drive jumper-configured
as slave:

"1. Install the new drive as a slave to the Master boot drive.
If the new drive is as a slave on the same cable as the Master boot
drive then you should set both drives' jumpers to Cable Select."

From that paragraph, it appears a drive can be a slave without being
configured as a slave with the jumpers. It apparently directs you to
configure both drives, new and old, as Cable Select.

Further on in the Answer, the directions are to.
"2. Confirm that the new hard drive is installed and detected by the
system BIOS"

I'm not sure how to do that. I understand the system BIOS is something
that comes up when you start, but I'm not clear how to instruct it to do
anything.

I also don't understand what they mean by
"3. Boot your system from the MaxBlaxt 3 CD."
How would I do that?

I notice in 10, the directions neglect to tell you to connect the old
drive to anything, but I believe they mean for you to connect the gray
(slave position) connector to it.

After reading these instructions, I'm thinking maybe I can change the
jumpers on both old and new drives to Cable Select turn off computer
change the positions of the drives on the ribbon (IDE interface cable)
to new HD on black as master and old HD on grey as slave then restart.
Do you think trying this procedure is dangerous in any way?



BTW, Ron, I notice you post a lot on the subject of HDs. Do you do
something with HDs for a living?

http://www.ericseven.com?id=1262 quote
This article explains how to copy the operating system from an existing
boot drive to a new drive using MaxBlast 3

Answer:
1. Install the new drive as a slave to the Master boot drive.
If the new drive is as a slave on the same cable as the Master boot
drive then you should set both drives' jumpers to Cable Select.

If you are using an Ultra ATA PCI adapter please make sure that both
hard drives are connected to the adapter card.

2. Confirm that the new hard drive is installed and detected by the
system BIOS.
Adding a new drive may require BIOS configuration, refer to your system
manual for BIOS settings to Auto-detect the new drive.

The system BIOS will not detect drives that are connected to an Ultra
ATA PCI card. The Ultra ATA PCI card uses its own BIOS and should
display the drives that are connected to it during boot.

3. Boot your system from the MaxBlast 3 CD or floppy.
You may need to change your BIOS settings to boot to the CD or floppy.

4. If the drive is not formatted or partitioned Maxblast 3 will notify
you that it has found a new hard drive.
Click yes to continue.

5. Follow the on-screen prompts to step through the installation
process.

6. Stop at "Choose An Installation Method"
Select the "Install drive as a new boot drive" option. This procedure
prompts the copy process.

7. Select "Advanced Installation" Method.
Here you can specify the partition size.

8. Follow the on-screen prompts to step through the installation
process.

9. Shutdown the computer.
When MaxBlast 3 is finished copying the data to your new boot drive,
remove any CDs or floppies, and perform a normal shutdown. (Power Off)

10. Unplug the ATA cable from both the new and old drives, then
re-connect the new drive as Primary Master.

Cable Note: The black connector is always master.
The grey connector is always slave.
The blue connector always connects to motherboard
or add-in UDMA controller.

11. Power the system on.
At the Windows desktop, double click the My Computer icon. The newly
installed boot drive will appear as drive letter C.

12. The old hard drive can now be used for additional storage. /quote


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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************

"Copy of an XP system from one volume to another volume as another bootable
XP system."
http://perso.numericable.fr/~gjullien/copy_xp.htm
"Main difficulty:
Each disk has a signature (written on the disk) and each volume has an
identifier (written on the volume, specific to the disk and the volume). The
registry assigns letters to identifiers (at install or when a new disk is
added)."

You may need to Fdisk /mbr the new drive. Don't let XP see that new drive
until you have booted from the Maxblast cd and copied over your old OS
installation.

I'm multi-booting from a pci raid controller. New mobo and new raid drives =
big pain dealing with XP. And don't get me started on a rant about
activation....

HTH

Dave H.
======

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is now
on E instead of C?

I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.

So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?


--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************

Dave H wrote in message
...

"Copy of an XP system from one volume to
another volume as another bootable XP system."
http://perso.numericable.fr/~gjullien/copy_xp.htm

"Main difficulty:
Each disk has a signature (written on the disk) and each volume has an
identifier (written on the volume, specific to the disk and the volume). The
registry assigns letters to identifiers (at install or when a new disk is added)."

That isnt in fact a problem if you ensure that only the copy can
be seen by XP on the first boot after the copy has been made.

XP will see that the identifier has changed
and will say its detected new hardware and
will just ask for a reboot and that will work fine.

You can then put the original drive back in the
system again and XP handles that fine too.

You may need to Fdisk /mbr the new drive.

Nope. And fdisk /mbr doesnt have
any effect on the identifier anyway.

Don't let XP see that new drive until you have booted from
the Maxblast cd and copied over your old OS installation.

Thats fine too, the crucial bit is to not let XP see both the copy
and the original on the first boot after the copy has been made.

I'm multi-booting from a pci raid controller.
New mobo and new raid drives = big pain dealing with XP.
And don't get me started on a rant about activation....

There is no activation problem when changing the boot drive.



"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is now
on E instead of C?

I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.

So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?


--
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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:15:33 -0500 J.Clarke wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 09:15:07 GMT
"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote:

Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a
slave. It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using
NTFS. I named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to
it. So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the
phone said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It
has a copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS
is now on E instead of C?

You don't, once you copy it you make the new drive "C". Trying to move
the OS from one drive letter to another is an exercise in futility--you
_can_ do it but by the time you've found all the various places where
you have to change the drive letter you'll find that you might as
well just have reinstalled from scratch.

Not really (though if you have a simple PC setup - sure, reinstall OS
and MS-Office).

I have upwards of 30 programs installed and had no interest in
starting from scratch. used a program called COA2 - "Change of
Address". Changed the registry. Then I still had to clean up some
things on disk - but it all worked in the end. Though it certainly
won't work in all cases, it sure worked for me.

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"Rod Speed" wrote:
You may need to Fdisk /mbr the new drive.

Nope. And fdisk /mbr doesnt have
any effect on the identifier anyway.

In fact, it does. The seemingly similar "fixmbr" from the XP recovery
console has no effect, but "fdisk /mbr" from DOS/Win9x does. The Disk ID
sits in the MBR at offset 443-446 (decimal). XP's "fixmbr" replaces the
first 442 bytes of the MBR, while Win9x's "fdisk /mbr" replaces 446 bytes
(270 bytes of executable code, 78 bytes in error messages, and 98 bytes
filled with zeroes). The NT/2000/XP "fixmbr" command replaces the MBR boot
code but stops short of overwriting the four bytes of the Disk ID that sits
between the boot code and the partition table. The DOS/Win9x "fdisk /mbr"
command will replace the boot code and zero the Disk ID (albeit,
unintentionally). Thus, the "fdisk /mbr" command can be used to advantage to
force XP to regenerate a new Disk ID and reassign drive letters.

Did you follow steps 1 thru 6 on pg 23 and 24?
http://maxtor.com/en/documentation/i...tion_guide.pdf

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
- Nehmo -
Windows XP Home (SP1)
I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0
,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a
slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to
it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the
phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has
a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is
now
on E instead of C?

- tomcas -
It will ask you.

- Nehmo -
It didn't. I already described what happened in another post in this
thread, but everybody doesn't read every post, and I really want to get
this question answered, so here it is again:

I shut down unplugged the ribbon (IDE interface cable) from the old
drive restarted after the usual box that appeared that lists some
things about the computer (what is this box called, incidentally?) a
message appeared: No Operating System Found. (I'm not sure if that was
the exact wording.)

- Nehmo -
I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.
So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?

- tomcas -
I'd use the maxblast. Read and print the readme file if you need to.
Avoid
using thier formater and overlay if possible.

- Nehmo -
There's no readme file, but after you choose a model number, it prepares
detailed.htm , titled MaxBlast 3 Custom Installation Manual [1]. This
doesn't cover my problem. There is also the help file. And in there is
this:

"When copying from partition to partition, if the destination partition
is a primary partition, Drive-To-Drive copy will make the partition
bootable. This allows you to migrate your operating system to a new
drive even if the drive was not partitioned using MaxBlast 3."
I didn't need to use the formatter or overlay. Actually, I didn't see
those option. Anyway I erlier used the "quick format" form XP's Computer
Management when I installed the new drive.

[1] I noticed that one of the image files detailed.htm uses is a 468 KB
bitmap, newdrive.bmp . This easily could have been a jpg or a gif, using
much less space.


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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
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I'm much less knowledgeable techwise than most of the posters to this
thread, but I have moved/copied my XP Pro installation form one disk
to another several times (using Drive Image and/or Partition Magic)
both successfully and unsuccessfully. Just sharing my experience in
case it might help anyone.

I have noticed that the copy is more frequently successful when
copying from a higher numbered disk to a lower one. What I mean is
that I have 3 Hard Drives in my system and when I attempt to copy XP
from Disk 0 to Disk 1 or 2, it usually will not boot afterward. Yet
going the other direction (copying XP from Disk 3 to Disk 2 or 1)
usually does work.

I can't explain it, but that's what I've noticed.

Larry

"Rod Speed" wrote in message ...
Dave H wrote in message
...

"Copy of an XP system from one volume to
another volume as another bootable XP system."
http://perso.numericable.fr/~gjullien/copy_xp.htm

"Main difficulty:
Each disk has a signature (written on the disk) and each volume has an
identifier (written on the volume, specific to the disk and the volume). The
registry assigns letters to identifiers (at install or when a new disk is added)."

That isnt in fact a problem if you ensure that only the copy can
be seen by XP on the first boot after the copy has been made.

XP will see that the identifier has changed
and will say its detected new hardware and
will just ask for a reboot and that will work fine.

You can then put the original drive back in the
system again and XP handles that fine too.

You may need to Fdisk /mbr the new drive.

Nope. And fdisk /mbr doesnt have
any effect on the identifier anyway.

Don't let XP see that new drive until you have booted from
the Maxblast cd and copied over your old OS installation.

Thats fine too, the crucial bit is to not let XP see both the copy
and the original on the first boot after the copy has been made.

I'm multi-booting from a pci raid controller.
New mobo and new raid drives = big pain dealing with XP.
And don't get me started on a rant about activation....

There is no activation problem when changing the boot drive.



"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
...
Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is now
on E instead of C?

I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.

So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?


--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************

- tomcas -
Did you follow steps 1 thru 6 on pg 23 and 24?

http://maxtor.com/en/documentation/i...tion_guide.pdf

- Nehmo -
I copied it below. [My comments in brackets.]

Page 23, Formatting the Hard Drive

Installing an Additional Storage Drive or Replacement Boot Drive
(Windows 98, Me, 2000, XP)
This section provides instructions for installing the hard drive in an
existing system as additional storage or as a replacement for a
currently
functioning boot drive. Depending on your preference, you can use the
Windows or DOS version of MaxBlast.

1. Choose one of the following options:
..
From the Windows desktop, insert the MaxBlast 3 CD
in the CD-ROM drive, and choose to install the Max-
Blast software for Windows.
..
Boot your system from the MaxBlast CD and choose
Setup Your Hard Disk.
You may need to change your
BIOS settings to boot from the CD. See page 19 for details.

[I would choose working form Windows rather than working form DOS
because I'm familiar with that environment.]

2. When the MaxBlast 3 program starts, follow the on-screen
prompts to step through the installation process. Choose
whether to install the drive as additional storage or as a new
boot drive.

3. Depending on your selection, do one of the following:

a.
Additional storage install: After the drive has been set up
as additional storage, double-click the My Computer
icon.
A new drive letter and icon should appear.

3 This new drive is now ready to use, and you do not need to
complete any further steps.

[I'm at this point already. But naturally, I want the new (and faster)
drive to house the OS.]

b.
Boot drive install: When MaxBlast is finished copying
data to your new boot drive, remove any CDs or
floppies, and perform a normal shutdown.
Continue to
the next step.

[I believe the copy process I already did places me here.]

4. Unplug the ATA cable from both the new and old drives.
Plug the black connector (master) on the ATA cable into
the new boot drive. Plug the grey connector (slave) into the
old drive.

5. Unless you are using the cable select jumper setting on both
drives, you will need to change the jumper settings on both
drives.
The new boot drive should be configured as master, and the
old drive should be configured as slave.

[So now I need to either change both HDs to Cable Select or New=Masere &
Old=Slave by using the jumper configurations. And I need to switch the
connections on the ATA cable to
Black {end} connector to New HD
Grey {middle} connector to Old HD
I have the connectors the opposite way now.]

6. Power the system on. At the Windows desktop, doubleclick
the My Computer icon.
The newly installed boot drive
will appear as drive letter C. The old hard drive can now be used for
additional storage.

Side Note: Switching the hard drives may
require changing the jumper settings
before reattaching the cables. To look
up the jumper settings for Maxtor
hard drives, see Figure 6 on page 9.
For other manufacturers' hard drives,
use the Hard Disk Information feature
of the MaxBlast software or visit the
manufacturer's web site.

[The old HD is a 15 GB Seagate. It's been spinning flawlessly and almost
continuously for years now. The slave jumper setting appears to be no
jumper, just as it is for Maxtor.]

Okay, I'm going to try it.


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Use Partition Magic 8. Select "Copy Partition" and expand it to the whole
disk. It will be done in one run. Then you just boot from the new disk and
everything works.

"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message
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Windows XP Home (SP1)

I originally had and still have a 15 GB HD, using NTFS,
which had the OS and everything else on it.

I just installed a Maxtor 80 GB DiamondMax Plus 9 Model 6Y080P0 ,which
has a 5 MB Buffer, configured (with the jumpers on the back) as a slave.
It shows up Computer Management as Healthy and Online using NTFS. I
named it Grape (E. I'm using fruit names nowadays.

Since the new drive is faster than the old, I want to move the OS to it.
So how do I go about doing that?

The new drive came with the MaxBlast 3 app. The Maxtor guy on the phone
said I could use that to move the OS, but I'm not clear how. It has a
copy function, but then how do I get the computer to know the OS is now
on E instead of C?

I didn't use MaxBlast to set up the drive. I just use Computer
Management.

So how do I move the OS from the old HD to the new?


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- tomcas -
Did you follow steps 1 thru 6 on pg 23 and 24?

http://maxtor.com/en/documentation/i...tion_guide.pdf

- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it.
- Nehmo -
Didn't work.
I assumed the copy from old HD to new HD I had previously done with
MaxBlast was the same as the copy it would do if I ran the program
again, so I just proceeded with the remaining steps.
I moved the jumpers to make the new drive master
I removed the jumper to make the old drive slave

I switched positions of the drives on the ATA cable to
Black {end} connector to New HD
Grey {middle} connector to Old HD

I first started without the old drive connected.
Windows XP began to start but stopped short and produced the Windows
Product Activation box saying there was a problem with WPA, error code
0x80090006 .

Just to make sure the disconnection of the old drive had nothing to do
with it, I tried again this time with both drives connected as described
above. The same error developed.

So I returned things back the way they we jumpers old=master,
new=slave ; ATA cable, black end to old , grey middle to new. Now things
work as befo the OS is still on the old HD.

My understanding of Win XP WPA is from http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm .
When I installed XP (up form ME) on this machine, I had already added a
NIC and some RAM. Now I'm trying to add a HD. So the only change in
hardware categories is the HD. That shouldn't be enough to trigger WPA
error.

I'll have to call Maxtor and maybe Microsoft tomorrow. It frustrates me
that these companies with global scope should have such narrow tech
support hours. The weekends and after-normal-business-hours should not
be dead time.

It's sure taking a long time just to get a new drive in.


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- Nehmo -
Okay, I'm going to try it

It didn't work.
MaxBlast seemed to copy all (except a few unnecessary) files. I shut
down unplugged the old drive Restarted a message displayed:
Operating System Not Found

I shut down re-plugged in the old drive restarted like normal
the
old drive is still the C drive.

- I'm Dan -
"Operating System Not Found" often means the partition was not set as
"active". Do you know if the new partition has been marked active in
its
partition table?

- Nehmo -
In XP's Computer Management Disk Management Top right window
Status Column the E drive, the new drive, is listed as Healthy
(Active) and the C drive, the old drive, is listed as Healthy (System).
In MaxBlast 3 there's no way, that I can see, of looking at a partition
to see whether it's active or not, but you can run the program to *set
up* the new drive up as a boot drive. I'm going to try running MaxBlast
again - but this time I'm going to run it using the set up operation
rather than the copy operation that I used last time.

- I'm Dan -
Check if MaxBlast has that as a menu option. If it
doesn't, download the freeware MbrWork from
http://www.bootitng.com/utilities.html. Boot from a floppy disk, run
mbrwork.exe and use its "Set a partition active" option.

BTW, MaxBlast doesn't remove C: from the old drive, it merely
duplicates it
on the new drive. The old drive will still think it's C: if you boot
from
it, so your last comment is normal.

- Nehmo -
I tried running MbrWork, but just after its DOS window appeared, an
alert labeled
MS-DOS Sub system said,
An application has attempted to access the hard drive, which can't be
supported. This may cause the application to function incorrectly. To
close the application press Close. There was also an Ignore button, but
it had the same effect as the Close button, closing MbrWork.

If running the MaxBlast setup operation doesn't work, I going to get a
copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.


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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.

- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again changing
the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions to
download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337216
|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I should
put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another. He explained
the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way. He
also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image. Then we got disconnected.
The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should boot with my Win XP
CD, go into the BIOS, and repair. In alternative, he suggested Ghost or
Drive Image.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs. I
gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else. I only
paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor couldn't have made too much off me.)
And the setup would have been easy if all I wanted was additional
storage. I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs
for.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.


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