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  #31  
Old April 29th 04, 10:16 PM
jim
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"philo" wrote in message
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You may also want to look into running a repair installation after

switching
to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep programs and settings
while getting around the driver issue.
Bob


That seems to be the easiest solution.




I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes...
and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates


No, the two together take at least an hour.


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  #32  
Old April 29th 04, 10:17 PM
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"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
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jim wrote:

No, the most painless solution is the one I described in my opening

post if
all the details can be worked out.

I'm looking for folks who might want to contribute to fully describing

that
solutions as it appears to be nearly at hand.


Maybe you should take some suggestions from some folks who know what
they're doing.


I do know what I'm doing. I'm trying to find some real experts on the
issue. There seems to be a paucity of those here.

You keep saying /your/ solution is the easiest, 'most
painless' solution, when it obviously isn't.


Cluelessness abounds.

First, you mention swapping out the mobo, then you go on to explain that
you're really interested in putting the harddrive in a completely
different PC. Not the same thing is it?


WRONG, they are nearly equivalent operations logically.

You've been given some pretty painless solutions by the nice folks in
this group.


I invite anyone to read the whole thread.


  #33  
Old April 29th 04, 10:21 PM
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"Ron Martell" wrote in message
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"jim" wrote:

I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP

pro
system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the

following
conclusions.

XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not
just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and
re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it
would in 98SE.


Not true. Windows 95/98/Me required specific detailed steps in order
to *successfully* replace a motherboard.


Not true as so many posters have confirmed.

Usually this involved at
least manually deleting all relevant items from Device Manager or
(even better) deleting the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum key from the
registry. Otherwise there would be a proliferation of obsolete and
duplicated items in Device Manager which could adversely affect
performance.


Might so affect? The fact is that the move generally works.

The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is

a
function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo
BIOS. The second is the HD drivers.

I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix

these
issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be
tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems

to
be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html

My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on

any
XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at

a
later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right.

The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU
ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA
chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I
have this right so far?


Nope. Totally wrong. Can you fix a Ford with Chev parts?


Clueless. I did the research.

If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one
must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be
done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where

files
may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so

far?

Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and

chipsets
etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able

to
boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt
with?


See http://michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html for factual
information about how to do this in Windows XP.


That page is by one of the old foggie "can't be done" set. The article
impeaches itself early on with "Since the repair install in my opinion is an
absolute necessity when changing a motherboard or moving a hard drive with
XP installed, "

Check the URL in my opening post here by someone who is actually working the
issue I'm interested in:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html




  #34  
Old April 29th 04, 10:21 PM
-Cryogenic-©
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jim wrote:

Here's a thought, you arrogant halfwit, place the HDD up your ass
sideways. Don't come here asking for people to help you "on your terms".
You most certainly seem to know everything already anyway!

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  #35  
Old April 29th 04, 10:23 PM
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"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
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jim wrote:

Here's a thought, you arrogant halfwit, place the HDD up your ass
sideways. Don't come here asking for people to help you "on your terms".
You most certainly seem to know everything already anyway!


There's always a few trolls that can't let go of the old wive's tales
floating around.


  #36  
Old April 29th 04, 10:24 PM
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jim wrote:

There's always a few trolls that can't let go of the old wive's tales
floating around.


What's this got to do with your old lady? There's nothing floating
around here except your ego.

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  #37  
Old April 29th 04, 10:24 PM
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"jim" wrote:


That page is by one of the old foggie "can't be done" set. The article
impeaches itself early on with "Since the repair install in my opinion is an
absolute necessity when changing a motherboard or moving a hard drive with
XP installed, "

Check the URL in my opening post here by someone who is actually working the
issue I'm interested in:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html



You are of course free to do whatever you want with your own computer.

However postings in these newsgroups also serve as advice to others
regarding the issues discussed and I for one am not about to advocate
high risk procedures where safer alternatives exist.

The simple fact is that the approach you advocate will in many cases
result in computers being crashed/smashed/trashed because of the
hardware changes.

The "Repair Install" approach is well proven and is safe.


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  #38  
Old April 29th 04, 10:24 PM
-Cryogenic-©
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Ron Martell wrote:

The "Repair Install" approach is well proven and is safe.


He doesn't want that. He wants someone to hold his hand and do it /his/
way. If you don't he'll hide in the corner with his dead PCs and suck
his thumb.

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  #39  
Old April 29th 04, 10:25 PM
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jim wrote:
"philo" wrote in message
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You may also want to look into running a repair installation after
switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep
programs and settings while getting around the driver issue.
Bob


That seems to be the easiest solution.




I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes...
and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates


No, the two together take at least an hour.


Not for someone who knows how.
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  #40  
Old April 29th 04, 10:28 PM
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jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
jim wrote:

Here's a thought, you arrogant halfwit, place the HDD up your ass
sideways. Don't come here asking for people to help you "on your
terms". You most certainly seem to know everything already anyway!


There's always a few trolls that can't let go of the old wive's tales
floating around.


But he does have good advice for you. Why don't you take it?

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  #41  
Old April 29th 04, 10:31 PM
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relic wrote:
| jim wrote:
|| "philo" wrote in message
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|||| You may also want to look into running a repair installation after
|||| switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep
|||| programs and settings while getting around the driver issue.
|||| Bob
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|||| That seems to be the easiest solution.
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||| I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes...
||| and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates
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|| No, the two together take at least an hour.
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| Not for someone who knows how.

4 Minutes here.

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  #42  
Old April 29th 04, 10:31 PM
Lord Gazwad of Grantham
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-Cryogenic-© wrote:
| Ron Martell wrote:
|
|| The "Repair Install" approach is well proven and is safe.
|
| He doesn't want that. He wants someone to hold his hand and do it
| /his/ way. If you don't he'll hide in the corner with his dead PCs
| and suck his thumb.

Marginally more acceptable than shoving his thumb up his arse and pulling
out a disk drive.

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  #43  
Old April 30th 04, 12:44 AM
jim
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"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...
"jim" wrote:


That page is by one of the old foggie "can't be done" set. The article
impeaches itself early on with "Since the repair install in my opinion is

an
absolute necessity when changing a motherboard or moving a hard drive

with
XP installed, "

Check the URL in my opening post here by someone who is actually working

the
issue I'm interested in:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html



You are of course free to do whatever you want with your own computer.

However postings in these newsgroups also serve as advice to others
regarding the issues discussed and I for one am not about to advocate
high risk procedures where safer alternatives exist.

The simple fact is that the approach you advocate will in many cases
result in computers being crashed/smashed/trashed because of the
hardware changes.


Utter nonsense. What's being discussed trashes nothing. It work or it
doesn't. There are and have been a bunch of wackos running around saying
"it doesn't work so don't dare try it". The real message from these folks
is "I tried it once and couldn't make it work so don't dare show that it can
be done and expose for my short comings".

The "Repair Install" approach is well proven and is safe.


AND SLOW.


  #44  
Old April 30th 04, 12:45 AM
jim
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"relic" wrote in message
news
jim wrote:
"philo" wrote in message
...


You may also want to look into running a repair installation after
switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep
programs and settings while getting around the driver issue.
Bob


That seems to be the easiest solution.



I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes...
and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates


No, the two together take at least an hour.


Not for someone who knows how.

Wrong.

Why don't you contribute by having a look here and commenting:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html


  #45  
Old April 30th 04, 12:53 AM
jim
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"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...
"jim" wrote:


That page is by one of the old foggie "can't be done" set. The article
impeaches itself early on with "Since the repair install in my opinion is

an
absolute necessity when changing a motherboard or moving a hard drive

with
XP installed, "

Check the URL in my opening post here by someone who is actually working

the
issue I'm interested in:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html



You are of course free to do whatever you want with your own computer.

However postings in these newsgroups also serve as advice to others
regarding the issues discussed and I for one am not about to advocate
high risk procedures where safer alternatives exist.

The simple fact is that the approach you advocate will in many cases
result in computers being crashed/smashed/trashed because of the
hardware changes.


Utter nonsense. What's being discussed trashes nothing. It work or it
doesn't. There are and have been a bunch of wackos running around saying
"it doesn't work so don't dare try it". The real message from these folks
is "I tried it once and couldn't make it work so don't dare show that it can
be done and expose for my short comings".

The "Repair Install" approach is well proven and is safe.


AND SLOW.


 




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