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registry cleaner and back up
Nonsense...
CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... And improves performance. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. |
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registry cleaner and back up
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Registry Cleaner
Nope...
Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance.
John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
Twaddle...
My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
Bunk.
John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
Codswallop...
DSH "John John" wrote in message ... Bunk. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message .. . D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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registry cleaner and back up
Hi..........Quite interesting opinion/statement on Reg Clrs. How about
"Uninstaller Programs"?? Having a problem w/ trying to uninstall "Zone Alarm"(Free Version). Error messages .......missing...." vsutil.dll" & when trying to use ZA uninstall feature...........error message..........".Uninstall resources not available." Thought you may shed some lite on this problem. Any ideas/solutions are appreciated....................Thxxxx............. Rudy no spam "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Registry Cleaner
you are correct
about the performance of the registry database file and thousands would agree as well as Microsoft. in fact, microsoft invented the first registry cleaner because maintaining the database was as critical then as it is now. now microsoft certified technicians not only redeveloped their registry cleaner but wrote a whole page on the subject: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm isn't humorous how some believe that they are more knowledgeable on windows than microsoft is??? don't spend too much time debating the issue. some of these guys are habitual antagonist and disruptive and enjoy manipulation and a reason to use name calling. the facts are clear and microsoft facts relating to its registry is the final word regarding this issue. (you know that they are likely hypocrites because they likely used registry cleaners themselves) incidentally, you might enjoy the newsgroup if you use a killfile to filter out the irritations. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
What makes you think this is a Microsoft program?
" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... you are correct about the performance of the registry database file and thousands would agree as well as Microsoft. in fact, microsoft invented the first registry cleaner because maintaining the database was as critical then as it is now. now microsoft certified technicians not only redeveloped their registry cleaner but wrote a whole page on the subject: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm isn't humorous how some believe that they are more knowledgeable on windows than microsoft is??? don't spend too much time debating the issue. some of these guys are habitual antagonist and disruptive and enjoy manipulation and a reason to use name calling. the facts are clear and microsoft facts relating to its registry is the final word regarding this issue. (you know that they are likely hypocrites because they likely used registry cleaners themselves) incidentally, you might enjoy the newsgroup if you use a killfile to filter out the irritations. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
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http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm Yes, they are not-too-smart, narrow-minded technicians who have seen pogues misuse Registry Cleaners and want to proscribe them for ALL of us. Bruce Chambers seems to be one of the worst of them. I would certainly concur that an unguided Registry Cleaner in the hands of a Naive Newbie is a dangerous weapon indeed. But I've found the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner to be BOTH safe and effective. 'Nuff Said. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... you are correct about the performance of the registry database file and thousands would agree as well as Microsoft. in fact, microsoft invented the first registry cleaner because maintaining the database was as critical then as it is now. now microsoft certified technicians not only redeveloped their registry cleaner but wrote a whole page on the subject: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm isn't humorous how some believe that they are more knowledgeable on windows than microsoft is??? don't spend too much time debating the issue. some of these guys are habitual antagonist and disruptive and enjoy manipulation and a reason to use name calling. the facts are clear and microsoft facts relating to its registry is the final word regarding this issue. (you know that they are likely hypocrites because they likely used registry cleaners themselves) incidentally, you might enjoy the newsgroup if you use a killfile to filter out the irritations. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. Do you have test results you're willing to share? How did you measure the improvement in performance? Did you control for the effect of Ccleaner's primary function (clearing temp files)? I have an open mind. But I would also like to see evidence. |
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Registry Cleaner
I ran careful tests.
Yes, I ran controls. Run your own tests. Don't just follow the lowing herd. DSH "Daave" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. Do you have test results you're willing to share? How did you measure the improvement in performance? Did you control for the effect of Ccleaner's primary function (clearing temp files)? I have an open mind. But I would also like to see evidence. |
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Registry Cleaner
D. Spencer Hines added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a performance increase, though. "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Registry Cleaner
We ran our own tests with many registry cleaners and the results of our
tests are that cleaning the registry does absolutely nothing to improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: I ran careful tests. Yes, I ran controls. Run your own tests. Don't just follow the lowing herd. DSH "Daave" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. Do you have test results you're willing to share? How did you measure the improvement in performance? Did you control for the effect of Ccleaner's primary function (clearing temp files)? I have an open mind. But I would also like to see evidence. |
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