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Are you saying you would rather not share with us your results? Since
you're making a claim, I wanted to give you the opportunity to back it up. Perhaps I will run my own tests some time in the future. But for now, I'd like to see evidence from someone who has experience. I don't see it as a matter of following any herd. Rather, it's an application of critical thinking and the scientific method. If the herd also shares my value of wanting to see evidence, then perhaps it's not such a bad herd to belong to. D. Spencer Hines wrote: I ran careful tests. Yes, I ran controls. Run your own tests. Don't just follow the lowing herd. DSH "Daave" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. Do you have test results you're willing to share? How did you measure the improvement in performance? Did you control for the effect of Ccleaner's primary function (clearing temp files)? I have an open mind. But I would also like to see evidence. |
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I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.
I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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he is a sly one and
was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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yeh, that's an excellent
one. i remember chatting with him on a couple of occassions a few years ago - a humble genuis; he is. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a performance increase, though. "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have
only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two different things... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a
register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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oh..., back off.
it was he who was providing a suggestion and it wasn't provided to you. ps: you were baiting him because you wanted to make this discussion into an argument. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "Daave" wrote in message ... No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two different things... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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absolutely....
in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "Unknown" wrote in message t... Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Unknown wrote:
Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. I can think of one scenario where the use of a registry cleaner might improve performance, but it would require the use of two additional programs. Here's the four-step process: 1. use registry cleaner 2. defragment volume that contains registry 3. use registry compacter (eg, NTREGOPT) 4. reboot system Using this process, NTREGOPT will create a new, smaller registry that will not be fragmented. Defragmenting the registry in this fashion WILL have a positive impact on performance, particularly during the boot process when large chunks of the registry are manipulated. Now, one can argue whether the performance boost was due to NTREGOPT or the registry cleaner, but that's for others to debate. For what it's worth, I use NTREGOPT every couple months, but I never use a registry cleaner. For many reasons, I perform registry cleaning tasks manually... |
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You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not a
sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you speed up your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic. " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... absolutely.... in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "Unknown" wrote in message t... Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare) included a
registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages while doing nothing to improve performance... http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsO...73886&SiteID=2 http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsO...cope=allforums John db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. . wrote: absolutely.... in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. |
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well,
it makes no difference to me or microsoft or the world. unfortunate for you that no one here owes you any explanations about anything. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º .. "Unknown" wrote in message t... You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not a sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you speed up your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic. " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... absolutely.... in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "Unknown" wrote in message t... Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Unfortunate part is that they are neither safe or effective.
Post facts not your emotions. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... G http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm Yes, they are not-too-smart, narrow-minded technicians who have seen pogues misuse Registry Cleaners and want to proscribe them for ALL of us. Bruce Chambers seems to be one of the worst of them. I would certainly concur that an unguided Registry Cleaner in the hands of a Naive Newbie is a dangerous weapon indeed. But I've found the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner to be BOTH safe and effective. 'Nuff Said. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... you are correct about the performance of the registry database file and thousands would agree as well as Microsoft. in fact, microsoft invented the first registry cleaner because maintaining the database was as critical then as it is now. now microsoft certified technicians not only redeveloped their registry cleaner but wrote a whole page on the subject: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm isn't humorous how some believe that they are more knowledgeable on windows than microsoft is??? don't spend too much time debating the issue. some of these guys are habitual antagonist and disruptive and enjoy manipulation and a reason to use name calling. the facts are clear and microsoft facts relating to its registry is the final word regarding this issue. (you know that they are likely hypocrites because they likely used registry cleaners themselves) incidentally, you might enjoy the newsgroup if you use a killfile to filter out the irritations. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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John John added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare) included a registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages while doing nothing to improve performance... For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered what MS might've been able to do had they really tried. Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better to write competant utilities than the designer/builder of the O/S? http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsO...st.aspx?PostID =1973886&SiteID=2 http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsO.../Search.aspx?w ords=registry+cleaner&localechoice=9&SiteID=2&sear chscope=allfo rums John db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. . wrote: absolutely.... in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...try_cleaner_wh y.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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