MVPs

realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI

MVPs and the MP leads nominate the candidates.

tom
"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
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| realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
| however... My question concerning the MVP award is:
|
| How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
| vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?
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| Best of luck!
|
| Michael D. Alligood
| MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
| i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
|
|
|

Hi Michael,

It's a fair question, and this place is as good as any.

Nominations are generally done by current MVP's who notice someone posting
responses that possesses the preferred traits of a new MVP. Namely they
include, but are not limited to: accuracy (though everyone occasionally
misfires), consistency (shows that they have an understanding of the subject
matter), longevity (no "flash in the pan" types, we like those that are
committed to helping others), and congeniality (abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI

Thanks Rick for your response. I'll take your advice and do the best I can
to help out in any way I can.
--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message
...
Hi Michael,

It's a fair question, and this place is as good as any.

Nominations are generally done by current MVP's who notice someone posting
responses that possesses the preferred traits of a new MVP. Namely they
include, but are not limited to: accuracy (though everyone occasionally
misfires), consistency (shows that they have an understanding of the
subject
matter), longevity (no "flash in the pan" types, we like those that are
committed to helping others), and congeniality (abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


--
Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message =
...
(abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help =
those
that are less "in the know").


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based =
on themselves not being friendly. I can name quite a few who are not =
friendly, condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey =
Frisch; while he may be a wealth of MS KB articles, I have yet to see =
him express a reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits =
mistakes, he does not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to =
make mistakes. He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him =
when he makes these errors. Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very =
unappealing, and only entails getting nothing but biased remarks from =
him. He cannot even come to terms to find when MS makes mistakes and =
point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are =
certified by MS (i.e. anything Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and =
Windows utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest, =
not the general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very =
un-MVP like to recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program, as I =
have learned on my own that XP does this just fine!

Hi Tom,

Keep in mind that those awarded (and yes, it's an annual award, and no one
is guaranteed renewal) are people just like you and I (though as a group we
tend to be a bit geeky at times), and as such we are entitled to our flaws,
including the ability to make mistakes, have opinions, and to being
pig-headed at times (I know quite a few, myself included, who fit that last
category). There are no compulsary ideals placed on those who are awarded,
no requirement to "tow the company line". For that matter, some of us are
some of Microsoft's biggest critics - trust me, I've been in the middle of
some meetings of MVP and MS people that have been, for lack of a better
term, quite lively.

In any case, I won't pass judgement on Carey, as that's not my lot in life.
Besides, I have better things to do, and I've been known to be a bit cranky
and short-fused at times too. And yes, I make the occasional blunder as
well, usually someone will see it and point it out, and I don't always
acknowledge it as long as I think the original poster is getting the right
information.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message
...
(abusiveness is not a
friendly trait, and a sense of compassion is often necessary to help those
that are less "in the know").


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based on
themselves not being friendly. I can name quite a few who are not friendly,
condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey Frisch;
while he may be a wealth of MS KB articles, I have yet to see him express a
reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits mistakes, he does
not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to make mistakes. He even
doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors.
Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only entails
getting nothing but biased remarks from him. He cannot even come to terms to
find when MS makes mistakes and point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified
by MS (i.e. anything Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and Windows
utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest, not the
general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very un-MVP like to
recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program, as I have learned on my
own that XP does this just fine!

"Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote in message =
...
Hi Tom,
=20
Keep in mind that those awarded (and yes, it's an annual award, and no =
one
is guaranteed renewal) are people just like you and I (though as a =
group we
tend to be a bit geeky at times), and as such we are entitled to our =
flaws,
including the ability to make mistakes, have opinions, and to being
pig-headed at times (I know quite a few, myself included, who fit that =
last
category). There are no compulsary ideals placed on those who are =
awarded,
no requirement to "tow the company line". For that matter, some of us =
are
some of Microsoft's biggest critics - trust me, I've been in the =
middle of
some meetings of MVP and MS people that have been, for lack of a =
better
term, quite lively.

Hey Rick,

Don't get me wrong, I would be the first to say I would not be deserving =
of the MVP initials as for what it stands for here, as for my attitude =
would not entitle me to that. Yes, we all make mistakes, and I am also a =
bit geeky, and I agree with the flaws and mistakes that others make as =
far as what you mean that to be specifically. But when you say that you, =
and some others (MVPs, or whoever else) are MS' biggest critics, and are =
not obligated to tow the line, is where you differ from the CFs of the =
world.=20

But where you mention lively meetings (I know, I have them with my =
managers where I work, but that is encouraged for better reasons), they =
are productive; Carey would not do that, for being quasi-sacrilegious to =
the MS WAY. Carey has never, and probably never will criticize MS, even =
if they have done something wrong (i.e. the Sun Java rip-off that MS =
committed).

In any case, I won't pass judgement on Carey, as that's not my lot in =
life.
Besides, I have better things to do, and I've been known to be a bit =
cranky
and short-fused at times too. And yes, I make the occasional blunder =
as
well, usually someone will see it and point it out, and I don't always
acknowledge it as long as I think the original poster is getting the =
right
information.

Well, I applaud you as well as not have expectation of you criticise of =
mine, or anyone elses behalf, and I agree with you somewhat and we all =
get cranky and make blunders; but that isn't what Carey does and why. =
When he blunders, he never admits, nor corrects it, as well as being =
ungrateful to those who thank him (he never says, "you're welcome" for =
example). MS can do something wrong, he will stand up for them as if =
they are right. He is more sychophantic with anything MS, than out of =
any real reasoning.=20

When someone mentions another product that MS has in kind that works =
well with Windows, Carey will say it is the "Fake version" of what =
Windows makes, i.e. he'll rip on Open Office, simply because it is =
written by a rival, but is a good application for office use. He doesn't =
give reason why it is bad, other than since it isn't an MS product, it =
is inferior, and sucks (his words by the way).

Hopefully, the better MVPs (yes I include you in that category as one of =
my favs here) will rectify some of the current MVPs as not being in that =
category the next time around.

Are they any people that still use thier mvp? When they are not?

Greg R

Q. "Do MVPs as a group ever deny..... based on themselves not being friendly?

A. MVPs are individuals with unique abilities and personalities. As a group,
all are friendly. If I answer a question, and it solves an issue, is that not being friendly?

Q. "I can name quite a few who are not friendly, condescending, and at time, ungrateful."

A. "Alright, name them and provide several specific newsgroup posts to substantiate your claim".

Q. "I have yet to see him (CF) express a reply of gratitude to one who thanked him.

A. Not necessary....have you ever sent a thank-you note to someone that already sent one?
Seems redundant and turns a newsgroup thread into a chat session.

Q. "He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors".

A. Private email does this best and you have no knowledge how I communicate with peers.

Q. "Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only entails getting nothing but biased
remarks from him."

A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is mute.

Q. "He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified by MS".

A. And a good doctor will only prescribe medication approved by the FDA.

Q. " I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program..."

A. Why? The only one I recommend is System Mechanic, and it's featured in the Windows Catalog.


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Tom" wrote in message:
...


Do MVPs as a group ever deny ( I guess you all re-up MVPs yearly?) based on themselves not being friendly. I
can name quite a few who are not friendly, condescending, and at time, ungrateful.

While I can name them, one who really doesn't deserve it is Carey Frisch; while he may be a wealth of MS KB
articles, I have yet to see him express a reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. He never admits mistakes,
he does not correct them, which can lead one seeking help to make mistakes. He even doesn't acknowledge his
own peers that tell him when he makes these errors. Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing,
and only entails getting nothing but biased remarks from him. He cannot even come to terms to find when MS
makes mistakes and point them out.

He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are certified by MS (i.e. anything
Nortons/Symantec, Registry cleaners and Windows utilities supported by MS) because they serve the MS interest,
not the general folks in need of help. Personally, I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry
cleaner/maintenance program, as I have learned on my own that XP does this just fine!

Tom wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I would be the first to say I would not be
deserving of the MVP initials as for what it stands for here, as for
my attitude would not entitle me to that. Yes, we all make mistakes,
and I am also a bit geeky, and I agree with the flaws and mistakes
that others make as far as what you mean that to be specifically. But
when you say that you, and some others (MVPs, or whoever else) are
MS' biggest critics, and are not obligated to tow the line, is where
you differ from the CFs of the world.

But where you mention lively meetings (I know, I have them with my
managers where I work, but that is encouraged for better reasons),
they are productive; Carey would not do that, for being
quasi-sacrilegious to the MS WAY. Carey has never, and probably never
will criticize MS, even if they have done something wrong (i.e. the
Sun Java rip-off that MS committed).

Well, I applaud you as well as not have expectation of you criticise
of mine, or anyone elses behalf, and I agree with you somewhat and we
all get cranky and make blunders; but that isn't what Carey does and
why. When he blunders, he never admits, nor corrects it, as well as
being ungrateful to those who thank him (he never says, "you're
welcome" for example). MS can do something wrong, he will stand up
for them as if they are right. He is more sychophantic with anything
MS, than out of any real reasoning.

When someone mentions another product that MS has in kind that works
well with Windows, Carey will say it is the "Fake version" of what
Windows makes, i.e. he'll rip on Open Office, simply because it is
written by a rival, but is a good application for office use. He
doesn't give reason why it is bad, other than since it isn't an MS
product, it is inferior, and sucks (his words by the way).

Hopefully, the better MVPs (yes I include you in that category as one
of my favs here) will rectify some of the current MVPs as not being
in that category the next time around.

Tom

PMFJI, you have a right to criticize anyone you wish, but to infer that
someone should somehow be penalized or ostracized simply because they do not
conform to your own personal criteria goes beyond criticizm and into the
realm of a personal attack. Carey won the award, like most of the folks who
have won the MVP award, because of his long standing commitment to helping
other users on these groups. If he wishes to evangelize Microsoft products
to the nth degree, then that is his prerogative and has little effect on
whether or not he is awarded. The other MVPs don't make the decision on
whether or not someone wins the award, this decision is made by the folks at
Microsoft who run the MVP program.

As far as being ungrateful simply because he does not post a response to
every thank you post, there are some who think that this is not necessary
and is only done to increase their message count.

As far as posting links to KB articles, this is a way to not only fix a
problem, but also has the beneficial effects of teaching the OP what caused
the problem as well as teaching them how to avoid that particular problem in
the future. Why would a person compose a 100 line message when it has
already been done in a KB article? This is no different than a person
posting a link to their own personal website where the problem and fix are
documented.

JMHO
--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://www.mvps.org

Carey,
I would like to know if this it true. Do you really not use other 3
party products that is not recommend by Microsoft?

I use firefox 9.2 (Yes, it is the patched version). I like it.
I also like I.E. as well.
I also use avg, adware, spybot, outpost, e.t.c.
I like them as well.


Greg R

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Greg R" wrote in message:
...

| Carey,
| I would like to know if this it true. Do you really not use other 3
| party products that is not recommend by Microsoft?
|
| I use firefox 9.2 (Yes, it is the patched version). I like it.
| I also like I.E. as well.
| I also use avg, adware, spybot, outpost, e.t.c.
| I like them as well.
|
|
| Greg R

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message =
...
Tom wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I would be the first to say I would not be
deserving of the MVP initials as for what it stands for here, as for
my attitude would not entitle me to that. Yes, we all make mistakes,
and I am also a bit geeky, and I agree with the flaws and mistakes
that others make as far as what you mean that to be specifically. But
when you say that you, and some others (MVPs, or whoever else) are
MS' biggest critics, and are not obligated to tow the line, is where
you differ from the CFs of the world.

But where you mention lively meetings (I know, I have them with my
managers where I work, but that is encouraged for better reasons),
they are productive; Carey would not do that, for being
quasi-sacrilegious to the MS WAY. Carey has never, and probably never
will criticize MS, even if they have done something wrong (i.e. the
Sun Java rip-off that MS committed).
=20
Well, I applaud you as well as not have expectation of you criticise
of mine, or anyone elses behalf, and I agree with you somewhat and we
all get cranky and make blunders; but that isn't what Carey does and
why. When he blunders, he never admits, nor corrects it, as well as
being ungrateful to those who thank him (he never says, "you're
welcome" for example). MS can do something wrong, he will stand up
for them as if they are right. He is more sychophantic with anything
MS, than out of any real reasoning.

When someone mentions another product that MS has in kind that works
well with Windows, Carey will say it is the "Fake version" of what
Windows makes, i.e. he'll rip on Open Office, simply because it is
written by a rival, but is a good application for office use. He
doesn't give reason why it is bad, other than since it isn't an MS
product, it is inferior, and sucks (his words by the way).

Hopefully, the better MVPs (yes I include you in that category as one
of my favs here) will rectify some of the current MVPs as not being
in that category the next time around.
=20
Tom
=20
PMFJI, you have a right to criticize anyone you wish, but to infer =
that
someone should somehow be penalized or ostracized simply because they =
do not
conform to your own personal criteria goes beyond criticizm and into =
the
realm of a personal attack.

Not a personal attack, but a view from reality, he doesn't fit the =
criteria IMHO, if got it, that is fine.

Carey won the award, like most of the folks who
have won the MVP award, because of his long standing commitment to =
helping
other users on these groups. If he wishes to evangelize Microsoft =
products
to the nth degree, then that is his prerogative and has little effect =
on
whether or not he is awarded. The other MVPs don't make the decision =
on
whether or not someone wins the award, this decision is made by the =
folks at
Microsoft who run the MVP program.

I did not know that MS itself gave out this award; now I know, but I =
feel he got it by being a good MS evangelist (as you say), and standing =
up for MS, though they have been wrong at times. But to say "has little =
effect" on why he was awarded would be specious IMHO, I am sure MS loves =
his zealotry for anything MS.=20

As far as being ungrateful simply because he does not post a response =
to
every thank you post, there are some who think that this is not =
necessary
and is only done to increase their message count.

True, and note that I did not generalize that also, I was specific to =
him. But it isn't something that is in passing. Carey is consistent in =
"ingratitude", something I thought was "mot" part of being an MVP. I am =
sure MS wants gratitude to be expressed in any way when representing =
them as quality concerned with customer, and care, and especially =
gratitude.

As far as posting links to KB articles, this is a way to not only fix =
a
problem, but also has the beneficial effects of teaching the OP what =
caused
the problem as well as teaching them how to avoid that particular =
problem in
the future. Why would a person compose a 100 line message when it has
already been done in a KB article? This is no different than a person
posting a link to their own personal website where the problem and fix =
are
documented.

That's not the point, and you should read what I posted. Sure, this =
saves time, but how many times has he posted such links that were not =
relative to the problem. It is his read and react to key words that has =
him do this, and allows him to make massive amount of posts. The quality =
goes down, and many times, comprehension from the one needing the help =
also ebbs. Some don't understand the KB article, Carey has shown he =
cannot explain them in layman's terms in many cases. He is adept at =
quoting articles based on words he sees, hell, I can do that is I read =
enough here where to see the kinds of problems people have. But does he =
actually understand those problems, and can explain them.. He would get =
a bit more respect if he could.

=20
JMHO

JMHO also, but the quality MVPs here more than not, use there own words, =
and self help articles/links, with the MS articles that make them the =
better ones, with better explanations. As long a Carey has been hanging =
around trying to get the award, you'd think he'd be able to use his own =
words, and quality. I have seen MVPs get their award way faster than =
him, simply because of their quality, not because of their longevity, =
and hoping to get it.=20
=20

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.

Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly.

I have crashed windows xp too.

Greg R

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
Q. "Do MVPs as a group ever deny..... based on themselves not being =
friendly?

A. MVPs are individuals with unique abilities and personalities. As =
a group,
all are friendly. If I answer a question, and it solves an =
issue, is that not being friendly?

WTF does this part of "denial" have to do with being friendly as part of =
getting the award as Rick explained it, that wasn't what I stated your =
"denial" was about; nice side step try, President Bush!

Q. "I can name quite a few who are not friendly, condescending, and =
at time, ungrateful."
=20
A. "Alright, name them and provide several specific newsgroup posts =
to substantiate your claim".

Oh please I don't want to go there and search, but most of you know how =
I ripped on you for being unfriendly, mainly by you being accusatory to =
not maiking your standards. It was just recently you got away (though =
you still do it from time to time) from accusing people of piracy when =
they were asking certain questions. Many times you were downright =
unfriendly and accusatory, ass in "shoot first, ask questions second".

Q. "I have yet to see him (CF) express a reply of gratitude to one =
who thanked him.
=20
A. Not necessary....have you ever sent a thank-you note to someone =
that already sent one?

HUH? That doesn't make sense, but do you ever say "you're welcome", you =
ingrate? I have never seen it from you yet!

Seems redundant and turns a newsgroup thread into a chat session.
=20
I didn't say that, why quote it?
=20
Q. "He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he =
makes these errors".
=20
A. Private email does this best and you have no knowledge how I =
communicate with peers.

Poor cop out Carey, I have seen MVPs call you down, before you were an =
MVP, and you got all ****y about it, instead of just admitting fault =
when you were wrong. Now that you got the title, you can avoid it. I am =
sure you don't enjoy being embarassed in private also, so you avoid it =
altogether, by not addressing it in any venue!

Even if you addessed it prviately, and you were called on it, you still =
make the same rrors, which tells me my last sentence in the previous =
paragraph seems true.

Q. "Also, expressing corporate zealotry is very unappealing, and only =
entails getting nothing but biased=20
remarks from him."
=20
A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is mute.

Sure I can, like when you ripped on OPen Office for someone who said =
they couldn't afford the ridiculous price MS charges for the office =
products. Someone recommended Open Office, and you replied get a REAL =
office product that is MORE Secure, and went to express how poor those =
"other" products are and MS is better, though you don't explain your =
experience with them. I am sure you really had experience using them =
too, eh?.=20

I have seen you rip Linux users seeking help here, simply because you =
stated it was inferior, though you have no experience with it (I use =
Mandrake 10.0, it is very sweet). I prefer XP because it supports more =
software, it is user friendly, and I also like it a great deal. I =
actually have liked every version of Windows from 95 until now, except =
for ME (Crapware). But I also use XP because most software makers know =
Windows has most of the market, and will not spend their resources for =
others making software for them, so it is a necessity of sorts.

If more quality software were written for the really good distros of =
Linux, I would switch, because it is cheaper, and I can write to it. =
Fortunately, most quality PC makers provide Windows, so the expense is a =
non-reason for me. But the expense of Office is a travesty, but I need =
it for work, as they use it there.

=20
Q. "He will not recommend 3rd party product purchases unless they are =
certified by MS".
=20
A. And a good doctor will only prescribe medication approved by the =
FDA.

And a good doctor can ONLY precribe medicine approved by the FDA, you =
twirp! Bad example, and an extremely poor attempt at using an analogy!

=20
Q. " I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry =
cleaner/maintenance program..."
=20
A. Why? The only one I recommend is System Mechanic, and it's =
featured in the Windows Catalog.

Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to =
others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself. =
Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes, =
rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it safe. Most people don't =
know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove =
stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC. =
Uninstalling things is the best way.

=20

--=20
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

--
Tom
Not a Microsoft MVP, and certainly not deserving of it based on Rick =
Rogers standards.

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

Be Smart, really learn and express your knowledge of Windows, not just =
link it! Be nice!