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  #76  
Old May 28th 15, 03:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Thu, 28 May 2015 11:35:16 -0400, wrote:

Well I still have no audio.

I can get no sound from the installation on a clean HDD. Not from
Banshee or any. I notice from the settings that it would seem Ubuntu
thinks I do not have rear speakers, just front. Of course I plugged
my earphones, and then a set of speakers, to each of my two audio
plugs on the front of the case. Still no sound.


If you have it set to Stereo, two speakers, they will be 'front' speakers.
Note that front speakers have nothing to do with connecting your earphones
to the front audio jacks or the rear audio jacks. Either way, it's still
stereo, with two 'front' speakers.

'Front', in this case, refers to you sitting in a room, facing one of the
walls, and the two speakers are in 'front' of you, angled toward you. 'Rear'
speakers would be located behind you, for example. So front and rear have
nothing to do with connecting your earphones to the front or rear of the
computer. Two speaker setups, aka Stereo, will always be 'front' speakers.

The front and rear audio jacks will be exactly the same, but with one
potentially big difference. The rear audio jacks are directly connected
(built in) to the motherboard, while the front audio jacks are connected to
the motherboard with a cable. If you've knocked that cable loose or somehow
managed to disconnect it while you were removing your old optical drive,
you'll never get audio on the front jacks until you reconnect that cable.
However, that cable doesn't affect sound from the rear audio jacks. They
don't know or care if it's present or not.

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Char Jackson
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  #77  
Old May 28th 15, 04:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Well I still have no audio.

I installed one of the Linux Ubuntu CD's I stored away after playing
with that OS in 2010-2011. I think they must be the so-called
LiveCDs, but I just don't remember. I chose version 10-11, which is
shown to no longer to be supported, worse luck.

I can get no sound from the installation on a clean HDD. Not from
Banshee or any. I notice from the settings that it would seem Ubuntu
thinks I do not have rear speakers, just front. Of course I plugged
my earphones, and then a set of speakers, to each of my two audio
plugs on the front of the case. Still no sound.

So - unless someone has a new and/or different idea, I will go on the
assumption that somehow the mobo rear audio has become defunct, and
unless I can find some cable disconnect or mis-plugging, I will just
have to wait and hope the Chinese sound card I ordered will by-pass
the audio problem. Otherwise I will have to spring for a new mobo.
Ugh! So-much for MSI.

I am pretty sure I read of others having sound problems with this
mobo.

Thanks for all your helps and suggestions. It is great to know I can
seek help on any problems. And get it.

JW
  #78  
Old May 28th 15, 06:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2015 11:35:16 -0400, wrote:

Well I still have no audio.

I can get no sound from the installation on a clean HDD. Not from
Banshee or any. I notice from the settings that it would seem Ubuntu
thinks I do not have rear speakers, just front. Of course I plugged
my earphones, and then a set of speakers, to each of my two audio
plugs on the front of the case. Still no sound.


If you have it set to Stereo, two speakers, they will be 'front' speakers.
Note that front speakers have nothing to do with connecting your earphones
to the front audio jacks or the rear audio jacks. Either way, it's still
stereo, with two 'front' speakers.

'Front', in this case, refers to you sitting in a room, facing one of the
walls, and the two speakers are in 'front' of you, angled toward you. 'Rear'
speakers would be located behind you, for example. So front and rear have
nothing to do with connecting your earphones to the front or rear of the
computer. Two speaker setups, aka Stereo, will always be 'front' speakers.

The front and rear audio jacks will be exactly the same, but with one
potentially big difference. The rear audio jacks are directly connected
(built in) to the motherboard, while the front audio jacks are connected to
the motherboard with a cable. If you've knocked that cable loose or somehow
managed to disconnect it while you were removing your old optical drive,
you'll never get audio on the front jacks until you reconnect that cable.
However, that cable doesn't affect sound from the rear audio jacks. They
don't know or care if it's present or not.


And "Front Speakers" are the lime green colored connector
on the back of the computer.

Paul
  #79  
Old May 28th 15, 06:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2015 06:10:36 -0700, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:25:18 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:23:02 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...
wrote in message ...

Your attribution line is broken on your last two posts. See above, the user
name has gone missing.

You have nothing to apologize for, Char's comment was directed to
"Buffalo".

However, if Char really cared, he would have looked up the quoted
message from the message id's. Odds are he was playing Usenet cop,
trying to "teach" Buffalo the "right way" of doing things.


I was letting Buffalo know that his config suddenly broke. Sometimes people
like to know these things.


Geez. Another bug in Windows Live Mail. Who knew ?

I wonder if this is a side-effect of something
like WLMQuoteFix ?

http://www.w7forums.com/threads/wlm-quotefix.11437/

Paul
  #80  
Old May 28th 15, 07:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Default Problem with Audio now

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:34:02 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2015 11:35:16 -0400, wrote:

Well I still have no audio.

I can get no sound from the installation on a clean HDD. Not from
Banshee or any. I notice from the settings that it would seem Ubuntu
thinks I do not have rear speakers, just front. Of course I plugged
my earphones, and then a set of speakers, to each of my two audio
plugs on the front of the case. Still no sound.


If you have it set to Stereo, two speakers, they will be 'front' speakers.
Note that front speakers have nothing to do with connecting your earphones
to the front audio jacks or the rear audio jacks. Either way, it's still
stereo, with two 'front' speakers.

'Front', in this case, refers to you sitting in a room, facing one of the
walls, and the two speakers are in 'front' of you, angled toward you. 'Rear'
speakers would be located behind you, for example. So front and rear have
nothing to do with connecting your earphones to the front or rear of the
computer. Two speaker setups, aka Stereo, will always be 'front' speakers.

The front and rear audio jacks will be exactly the same, but with one
potentially big difference. The rear audio jacks are directly connected
(built in) to the motherboard, while the front audio jacks are connected to
the motherboard with a cable. If you've knocked that cable loose or somehow
managed to disconnect it while you were removing your old optical drive,
you'll never get audio on the front jacks until you reconnect that cable.
However, that cable doesn't affect sound from the rear audio jacks. They
don't know or care if it's present or not.



Then clearly, since I can get no audio from any of the rear jacks, an
the latter are directly mounted on the mobo, the mobo is failing. It
can't be anything I jarred loose, nor can it be software and its
settings. Nice mobo. I have had a lot of 'em - never lost audio
before.

Thanks

JW
  #81  
Old May 28th 15, 11:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Buffalo[_3_]
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"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:25:18 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:23:02 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...


wrote in message ...



Your attribution line is broken on your last two posts. See above, the
user
name has gone missing.


You have nothing to apologize for, Char's comment was directed to
"Buffalo".

However, if Char really cared, he would have looked up the quoted
message from the message id's. Odds are he was playing Usenet cop,
trying to "teach" Buffalo the "right way" of doing things.


I am still using WinQuoteFix with WinLive and I fail to see the problem.
If there is one, please let me know. When I review my posts, all seems
normal, including my sig.
Thanks,
--
Buffalo

  #82  
Old May 29th 15, 02:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Thu, 28 May 2015 16:40:18 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

I am still using WinQuoteFix with WinLive and I fail to see the problem.
If there is one, please let me know. When I review my posts, all seems
normal, including my sig.
Thanks,


This one was fine. Thanks for following up. I figured you'd want to know.

--

Char Jackson
  #83  
Old May 31st 15, 06:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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wrote:
I am not sure why you have mentioned the 2nd machine?

Have you tried creating a Linux live CD and booting the problematic
machine with the CD? Live CDs are very easy to download and create,
you do not need to install Linux.

Simply by booting from the CD, you will usually be able to determine
if the audio hardware is working. If the hardware is functional, then
we will need to help you fix your Windows issue.

If the hardware is not functional, you can stop beating your head
against the wall and wait for the replacement sound board.



As it happens, I have a Live CD, and played with it a few years back.
I shud have tried that I guess.

Thanks

JW


I tried a couple of LiveCDs on the new machine.

One of them (SystemRescueCD) wouldn't boot at all.

But this one did. This is the infrequently generated
Gentoo LiveDVD. (2,961,100,800 bytes). It's
a porker. New to this release, you don't get to
see it try 300 different drivers on your hardware.
And there was a pregnant pause on my system, before
the DVD LED started to flash - but that's only
going to happen on my system.

http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ge...md64/20140826/

livedvd-amd64-multilib-20140826.iso 25-Aug-2014 01:57 2.8G

You can boot it using the default in the boot menu.

Open a Terminal.

Type in "audacity" without the double-quote marks. Hit return.

Under the Generate menu, select DTMF, to make some
"Touch Tone noises" as a test. Set the amplitude field
to 0.05 rather than accepting the default. That's to avoid
"losing an eardrum". You can generate a waveform with a
higher amplitude on a second try, if you want.

After a couple seconds, the software will have created
a new waveform file, containing DTMF tones.

Now when you click Play, you should hear sound
from the speakers.

The Gentoo DVD seemed to be able to get the sound
working. Which is more than I can say for some
of the Ubuntu ones. I've had a number of the
more popular distos, where the sound won't work
out of the box. I could eventually get it working.
Some of the others, were quite quite resistant
to letting me have sound.

The only caveat with the Gentoo DVD, was it
didn't shut down properly.

To avoid the usual suspects, in the same
terminal you were working in, you could do

sudo shutdown -r now

That actually requests a reboot. When the machine
proceeds to reboot, enter the BIOS setup on the
computer. That will give you a chance to unload
the optical drive tray, close the tray, then you
can use the power button to turn off the PC.

The problem with vanilla shutdown or poweroff,
is you can be dropped to single user, and not
be able to figure out a way to "escape". I've had
better luck with a reboot escape, than any other
option.

Gentoo did provide a menu option (it was running
what looked like KDE). But what I noticed, is it
almost seemed like the old DBUS race condition,
where the screen turns black, then DBUS is disabled,
the keyboard no longer works. You at that point,
can no longer use the keyboard to do anything (if
you were thinking some keyboard magic would work).

That Gentoo DVD should be old enough (end of 2014),
that it doesn't use systemd.

I really really wanted to use a LiveCD that was
a smaller download. But if the sound won't work
or such smaller media won't actually boot,
that kinda cramps my style. I was lucky that
I didn't have to download the Gentoo one, as I
had that one from some previous experiment. So it
didn't cost me any additional download time.

Paul
  #85  
Old June 11th 15, 03:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:46:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:02:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:20:09 -0700, Stormin' Norman
Use your existing discs and try it again. This is the final
diagnostic, if you have no sound under Linux, I believe we can
pronounce the audio subsystem on the main board as being dead.
That's what I thought. Again, I have a Chinese sound card coming.


The cheapo sound card arrived (with drivers) - I installed it and its
drivers - sound is fine now. So much for Realtek.
Thanks all the helps


I am glad it is resolved. I hope nothing else on that mainboard is
destined for failure any time soon.


HDAudio typically runs off its own 7805 style regulator.
So if there was a power problem with that chip, no other
chip depends on it. It can fail quietly all by itself,
with nothing else affected.

As for the repair method, nothing wrong with throwing
in more hardware... as long as it works.

There was at least one motherboard, that when sound failed,
the issue was actually a motherboard standoff (ground potential),
touching a conductor of the sound circuit. And that can be
fixed by aligning the standoffs carefully with the center
of the drilled mounting holes. Some component or conductor
was a little too close to the hole (keepout violation).

Paul
  #86  
Old June 12th 15, 01:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:48:40 -0700, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:13:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:46:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:02:30 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:20:09 -0700, Stormin' Norman
Use your existing discs and try it again. This is the final
diagnostic, if you have no sound under Linux, I believe we can
pronounce the audio subsystem on the main board as being dead.
That's what I thought. Again, I have a Chinese sound card coming.


The cheapo sound card arrived (with drivers) - I installed it and its
drivers - sound is fine now. So much for Realtek.
Thanks all the helps

I am glad it is resolved. I hope nothing else on that mainboard is
destined for failure any time soon.


HDAudio typically runs off its own 7805 style regulator.
So if there was a power problem with that chip, no other
chip depends on it. It can fail quietly all by itself,
with nothing else affected.


Paul, if he has a flaky PSU which might be throwing intermittent
transients, he could very well experience issues with other
subsystems.

Considering his audio subsystem died at the same time an optical disk
drive died, one would be justified in harboring reservations about the
overall stability of the entire system.

Personally, I would install a replacement, new, quality PSU, and throw
the existing one onto the "I have to test that eventually" pile.

Regardless, he is up and running and I "hope" it stays that way, for
his sake.



Me too.
I thought my PSU was a 'quality' PSU. It is a Cooler Master 650W. I
spent extra money for it, when I bought the mobo.
Thanks

JW

 




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