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  #16  
Old February 11th 19, 01:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default Virtual Machines Rock !

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:11:44 -0400, pjp
wrote:

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.


I've been using VMware Workstation Pro (not free) for work since the
beginning of 2013 and I love it. VMware also makes a couple of free VM
host applications, but I don't have experience with them. Considering
that Workstation is rock solid, the others likely are, as well.

Here's a comparison matrix, in case you haven't seen it. Hope you find
it useful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...ation_software


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  #17  
Old February 11th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
pjp[_10_]
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Default Virtual Machines Rock !

In article , says...

On 2/10/2019 3:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.


I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

Can't tell your definition of 'properly', but there are several network
options in Virutalbox.


I could not get it to properly be seen over my Workgoup ethernet. On a
2nd pc that did Workgroup Browse properly it would sometimes appear
depending on the network choice I made in VirtualBox but it would not
connect or even see the shared folder I'd setup on the vm pc. On the
virtual machine It would see itself under Workgroup browsing and nothing
else. That's the best I could get which was useless.

Shared Folder didn't make any sense to me. Does it just setup a network
share?

You'd think a default fresh install of VirtualBox on Win7 Pro 64 bit
with 8 Gb memory and almost empty 500Gb hard disk with all perphiperals
working properly and then install Win7 as a virtual machine you'ld end
up with something that had everything working (installed 32 bit with 3
GB mem). Apparently not and I just didn't feel inclined to muck with it
further. Fact is I have so many unused PC's here that I can use for
testing I just won't waste the time, least right now Maybe again
future version.
  #18  
Old February 11th 19, 07:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Virtual Machines Rock !

pjp wrote:
In article , says...
On 2/10/2019 3:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.
I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

Can't tell your definition of 'properly', but there are several network
options in Virutalbox.


I could not get it to properly be seen over my Workgoup ethernet. On a
2nd pc that did Workgroup Browse properly it would sometimes appear
depending on the network choice I made in VirtualBox but it would not
connect or even see the shared folder I'd setup on the vm pc. On the
virtual machine It would see itself under Workgroup browsing and nothing
else. That's the best I could get which was useless.

Shared Folder didn't make any sense to me. Does it just setup a network
share?

You'd think a default fresh install of VirtualBox on Win7 Pro 64 bit
with 8 Gb memory and almost empty 500Gb hard disk with all perphiperals
working properly and then install Win7 as a virtual machine you'ld end
up with something that had everything working (installed 32 bit with 3
GB mem). Apparently not and I just didn't feel inclined to muck with it
further. Fact is I have so many unused PC's here that I can use for
testing I just won't waste the time, least right now Maybe again
future version.


I gotta LOL at your last paragraph :-)

Virtual Machines will try your patience. They are
always finding new and creative ways to foul up.

For example, I just tried to set up a Shared Folder
to take a picture to show you. And do you think that
MF would work ? Nope. It must have taken around two hours,
and while I didn't change anything, I could see after opening
Host Network Manager in the File menu, suddenly it started
working.

I could see somewhere in my travels, the Guest "\\VBOXSVR"
had no workgroup value showing, whereas other things on my
network are workgroup=WORKGROUP. That accounts for why I could
define a shared folder in the Host settings panel, but nothing
could see it. Maybe I was using "nbtstat -a hostname" or something
to check.

In any case, here's a picture of a Host folder, being served
to a Guest via a network node called "\\VBOXSVR". If you look
in Task Manager, you might see a service like that running
as a task.

https://i.postimg.cc/hvYDLKLG/shared...virtualbox.gif

If you think that's bad, getting USB passthru to work is also
a challenge. I think on the third installation attempt, it
randomly started to work. I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing
anything different. I've had installs on other OS disks,
where it worked the first time.

On the left of the picture, a partition called L: is being
shared as "RAMDRIVE", instead of its normal Host SMB name of "RAMDISK".
That's so I could distinguish between two potential mounts
of the same volume.

The right side of the picture, shows the item showing up
in the Network Neighborhood of the Guest.

Now, at one time, VPC2007 could pass a Host drive directly
to the Guest. That worked so well, I managed to *corrupt*
the Host partition from the Guest. Because I forgot
the hosting software was only good for 128GB of partition,
and I wrote a 200GB file from the Guest to the Host drive.
And it corrupted. And I'm like "do you think the .vhd limit
applies to passthru partitions too ? Doh!". So in its way, the
slow VBOXSVR idea is at least a bit better insulated and not likely
to "blow up" Host storage.

Paul
  #19  
Old February 11th 19, 12:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Virtual Machines Rock !

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:42:44 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
wrote:

wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.


Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.




Buy an IDE adapter card. They start around $25 on Amazon.com.

Alternatively buy an USB IDE enclosure for external drives and mount
the IDE drive in it. They start around $20.

Or a dock; I have one that has both an (E)IDE and a SATA slot. (When I
bought it, I rather liked the idea that it could also, in theory,
duplicate a drive without being connected to a computer at all; it only
occurred to me subsequently that it could - obviously! - only copy IDE
to SATA, or maybe vice versa. Doesn't _matter_, as I've never actually
wanted to duplicate a drive.)

Or a "cable" - basically the guts of a USB housing without the housing,
and built into the connectors of a cable (despite often being sold as a
cable or lead, there _is_ electronics in there).

I think the OP did say - in part that has been snipped - that he had
tried SATA/IDE adapter hardware of some sort though.
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man is not contemptible because he doesn't. - Howard Jacobson, in Radio Times
2010/1/23-29.
  #20  
Old February 11th 19, 05:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pjp[_10_]
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Default Virtual Machines Rock !

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On 2/10/2019 3:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

Can't tell your definition of 'properly', but there are several network
options in Virutalbox.


I could not get it to properly be seen over my Workgoup ethernet. On a
2nd pc that did Workgroup Browse properly it would sometimes appear
depending on the network choice I made in VirtualBox but it would not
connect or even see the shared folder I'd setup on the vm pc. On the
virtual machine It would see itself under Workgroup browsing and nothing
else. That's the best I could get which was useless.

Shared Folder didn't make any sense to me. Does it just setup a network
share?

You'd think a default fresh install of VirtualBox on Win7 Pro 64 bit
with 8 Gb memory and almost empty 500Gb hard disk with all perphiperals
working properly and then install Win7 as a virtual machine you'ld end
up with something that had everything working (installed 32 bit with 3
GB mem). Apparently not and I just didn't feel inclined to muck with it
further. Fact is I have so many unused PC's here that I can use for
testing I just won't waste the time, least right now Maybe again
future version.


Went back, found latest version and did a new download of VirtualPC that
supported USB. Install went fine. Took a moment to figure out ionterface
was now intergrated into Explorer but once I installed XP as a VM it all
worked so mission accomplished.
  #21  
Old February 11th 19, 06:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:42:44 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
wrote:

wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.




Buy an IDE adapter card. They start around $25 on Amazon.com.

Alternatively buy an USB IDE enclosure for external drives and mount
the IDE drive in it. They start around $20.

Or a dock; I have one that has both an (E)IDE and a SATA slot. (When I
bought it, I rather liked the idea that it could also, in theory,
duplicate a drive without being connected to a computer at all; it only
occurred to me subsequently that it could - obviously! - only copy IDE
to SATA, or maybe vice versa. Doesn't _matter_, as I've never actually
wanted to duplicate a drive.)

Or a "cable" - basically the guts of a USB housing without the housing,
and built into the connectors of a cable (despite often being sold as a
cable or lead, there _is_ electronics in there).

I think the OP did say - in part that has been snipped - that he had
tried SATA/IDE adapter hardware of some sort though.


The SATA to IDE or IDE to SATA should be transparent.
Because the very first SATA hard drives, used an IDE to SATA
chip and were "clipped" at 100MB/sec because of the presence
of that chip.

The USB to SATA or USB to IDE require a "USB Mass Storage"
approach, something from a booting perspective that is only
available from around 2005 onward. And usually, on the
Southbridge USB ports. If you had a Southbridge USB1.1 and
a NEC USB2 on a year 2006 motherboard, the NEC would not
offer boot. However, in 2019, you usually see boot extended
to the add-on chips. So at least some add-on chip makers
must be providing a code module for contributing to boot
and INT 0x13 disk reading. Maybe the UEFI has made this
easier (standardized) somehow.

In the legacy BIOS, USB booting was always termed "emulation"
and a USB floppy would be a "1.44MB hard drive", a 250MB ZIP
would be a "250MB hard drive". When my first computer would
not boot a DVD, it was because there was an emulation
for a "700MB hard drive" but nothing for a "4.7GB hard drive".
The terminology suggests the base booting mechanism thought
there was just one type of media to deal with, and a layer
underneath was screwing around to make that possible. It
was, in a sense, "not a plugin architecture". I would expect
UEFI to be a bit more of a plugin thing, because UEFI is
almost like an OS of sorts.

Both legacy BIOS and UEFI have their own "file system"
concepts - the legacy BIOS, you could see the "modules" if
you used a BIOS tool, and people hacking BIOS would change
out modules (the Silicon Image SIL3112 for example), and
create a new BIOS flash image. So it's a file system of
sorts. But not every aspect of legacy BIOS was as modular
and extensible as it should have been.

Paul
  #23  
Old February 13th 19, 05:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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All my 60 apps = 28 QB45 + 14 VB3 + 18 VB6 , code and executables,
safely preserved in duplicate on CDs.
  #25  
Old February 15th 19, 03:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 2/10/2019 11:42 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

Don't know what you want to accomplish, but where would you plug
an IDE drive on a SATA only machine, software notwithstanding?
There are SATA/IDE hardware adapters. Don't remember whether I
ever tried to boot from one.
It is possible to boot from an IDE drive in an external USB box.


I've tried all of those plus bios settings. My GA-7 Gamer won't allow
booting from XP or IDE via adaptors or USB. I have several of each.
My last XP machine burned out its mother board last year and I've
ordered a FoxConn replacement MB with both IDE and SATA plugs.


I'm back for a while from visiting remote construction sites.
Will read over everyone's replies.

 




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