Windows Update to IE11

On 13/11/2013 00:31:06, Buffalo wrote:
"Robin Bignall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:47:37 -0400, pjp
wrote:


Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

I installed it today and Kaspersky's Password Manager told me to disable
enhanced protection mode. The only protected mode I could see is in
'Security' in Internet Options, but unticking that gave me an immediate
message that my PC would not be adequately protected. Win7Ult.
Any thoughts on this?

When I went to a MS website, it said enhanced mode in IE11 will not work
with Win 7.
Well, I just tried Googling it and now I can't find that link.
Does anyone know if it can actually be used in Win7 64bit?

In the Windows Update window it says:
Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems
Download the fast and fluid browser recommended for windows 7
Fast. fast at loading sites and fluid as you navigate through them.
Easy. Seamless with Windows, it just works the way you want.
Safer. Better protection from threats and increased privacy online.

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mick

"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"pjp" wrote in message
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Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?



It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed browsing
and unlike previous versions, there is no option to disable tabbed
browsing.

Idly curious, what don't you like about tabs?
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SC Tom




Just my preference. I would rather have the different windows in the Taskbar
than in tabs. It does have it's place. I use SlimBrowser for the MS forums
only. For that, I have several forums set as separate tabs and all set as
homepages so they all open when SlimBrowser is started. But, for regular
browsing, I prefer no tabs.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP 2004 ~ 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:55:39 -0500, Chris S. wrote:

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.


Use a decent OS.

Windows is lazy, geared towards non-computer peeps.

"peeps".. says a lot about you.

So does his blaming it on the OS, when it's clearly a function of a
particular application.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:50:14 +0000, John wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:11:00 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:16:35 GMT, mick wrote:

On 12/11/2013 21:38:57, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:13:08 -0700, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"NY" wrote in message
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"mick" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my preferred
choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other popular ones to
test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts in the
email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have been offered an
upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't get installed
accidentally if I install everything that is offered. Uninstalling newer
versions of IE (if I accidentally install one) restores the non-blurry
fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

I just installed it in my Win7HP 64 bit system and my fonts are fine in my
Live Mail.
They were fine with IE ver 10 also. Perhaps you could try reinstalling
Windows Live Mail.
Haven't checked it for speed, etc, but so far it is working fine.

I did the regular updates today and IEv11 was not offered as an
update? Where did you update it from? Any problem with
Favorities/Cookies or anything like that after updating? Best
reason(s) to update?

I have not had any regular updates today, only IE11 is listed.

I'm running Win7 64bit and I had 16 updates today and IE11 was not one
of them.

Me, too, in case anyone's collecting data points.
All updates worked perfectly.
Win7, x64, IE-ten. Word2007. Also got a couple of MSE updates.
J.

But I did get IE 11 (yesterday).

MS must be rolling it out in dribs & drabs. Maybe they want me to feel
superior and you to feel inferior?

Kidding, of course.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:48:05 +0000, John wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:08:27 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"mick" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my preferred
choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other popular ones to
test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts in the
email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have been offered an
upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't get installed
accidentally if I install everything that is offered. Uninstalling newer
versions of IE (if I accidentally install one) restores the non-blurry
fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Can't you just change the font so you have a non-blurry one? Or does
IE-eleven do it with *every* font?
I wouldn't know as I've never even seen "WLM" but I'm curious.
Thanks.
J.

It just occurred to me that it might be a problem with ClearType, a
software technique to use strategic blurring to make type clearer (yeah,
I know!).

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 2013-11-13, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:55:39 -0500, Chris S. wrote:

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.


Use a decent OS.

Windows is lazy, geared towards non-computer peeps.

"peeps".. says a lot about you.

So does his blaming it on the OS, when it's clearly a function of a
particular application.


It's clearly a function of the IQ of icon clickers.
They aren't computer users.
As the idiot that can't cut signatures from post clearly shows.

Poorly designed software to meet the needs of idiots.
lmao.
Moronware.


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Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will
recommend that they do what they want to do.

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:50:14 +0000, John wrote:


But I did get IE 11 (yesterday).

MS must be rolling it out in dribs & drabs. Maybe they want me to feel
superior and you to feel inferior?

Kidding, of course.


They drew straws at Microsoft, and you got
the short one :-)

Will you be disabling the tabbed browsing setting ?
We await your recipe. As a beta tester, it's the
least you can do.

Paul

Robin Bignall wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:47:37 -0400, pjp
wrote:

Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

I installed it today and Kaspersky's Password Manager told me to disable
enhanced protection mode. The only protected mode I could see is in
'Security' in Internet Options, but unticking that gave me an immediate
message that my PC would not be adequately protected. Win7Ult.
Any thoughts on this?

"Incompatibility of Kaspersky Password Manager 5.0 plug-ins with
Internet Explorer 10/11 when Enhanced Protected Mode (EPM) is enabled"

http://support.kaspersky.com/10576

http://support.kaspersky.com/images/...113-216259.png

http://support.kaspersky.com/images/...213-216260.png

Lots of stuff doesn't work with EPM.

*******

EPM - what it is.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2...cted-mode.aspx

Disable EPM with GPedit.

http://www.ghacks.net/2013/09/11/tur...orer-10-newer/

I can't find any really up-to-date info though, to
confirm GPedit is needed. And not some more
reasonable solution.

Paul

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:22:38 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:50:14 +0000, John wrote:


But I did get IE 11 (yesterday).

MS must be rolling it out in dribs & drabs. Maybe they want me to feel
superior and you to feel inferior?

Kidding, of course.


They drew straws at Microsoft, and you got
the short one :-)

Will you be disabling the tabbed browsing setting ?
We await your recipe. As a beta tester, it's the
least you can do.

Paul

To tell the truth (isn't that a TV show?), I can't see why anyone who
doesn't use it cares whether tabbed browsing is allowed.

If you don't like it, don't use it, aka "Duh!".

I just tested IE11's behavior with respect to clicking on a link. I
left-clicked on a link and the contents replaced the contents of the tab
I was on. I then Control-clicked a link there and the new page opened in
a new tab.

So if you don't want a new tab, avoid Control-click, or equivalently,
click Right-click followed by open in new tab, or Middle-button (I
tested both of those). But since the Middle-button click might be
something I configured in my mouse driver, YMMV.

So don't control click, etc...

However, I couldn't find a way to disable tabbed browsing.

BTW - someone complained about links not being underlined. There is a
setting for that in the advanced tab under Tools (gear icon)/Internet
Options/Advanced.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:17:42 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:22:38 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:50:14 +0000, John wrote:


But I did get IE 11 (yesterday).

MS must be rolling it out in dribs & drabs. Maybe they want me to feel
superior and you to feel inferior?

Kidding, of course.


They drew straws at Microsoft, and you got
the short one :-)

Will you be disabling the tabbed browsing setting ?
We await your recipe. As a beta tester, it's the
least you can do.

Paul

To tell the truth (isn't that a TV show?), I can't see why anyone who
doesn't use it cares whether tabbed browsing is allowed.

If you don't like it, don't use it, aka "Duh!".

I just tested IE11's behavior with respect to clicking on a link. I
left-clicked on a link and the contents replaced the contents of the tab
I was on. I then Control-clicked a link there and the new page opened in
a new tab.

So if you don't want a new tab, avoid Control-click, or equivalently,
click Right-click followed by open in new tab, or Middle-button (I
tested both of those). But since the Middle-button click might be
something I configured in my mouse driver, YMMV.

So don't control click, etc...

However, I couldn't find a way to disable tabbed browsing.

BTW - someone complained about links not being underlined. There is a
setting for that in the advanced tab under Tools (gear icon)/Internet
Options/Advanced.

BTW, I just noticed an item in tool bar customization (right-click on
the toolbar). It says "Show tabs in a separate row". FWIW. Mine is
checked by default, and that's OK with me.

By Toolbar I mean the top frame boundary regions above or below the
address bar.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"pjp" wrote in message
...

Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?



It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed browsing
and unlike previous versions, there is no option to disable tabbed
browsing.

Idly curious, what don't you like about tabs?
--
SC Tom




Just my preference. I would rather have the different windows in the
Taskbar than in tabs. It does have it's place. I use SlimBrowser for the
MS forums only. For that, I have several forums set as separate tabs and
all set as homepages so they all open when SlimBrowser is started. But,
for regular browsing, I prefer no tabs.

I respect your preference, was simply curious.
I didn't like them when tabs were first introduced, but over the years have
found them to be very useful. I think it's the easiest way to "multi-task"
the internet LOL. Of course, that's *my* preference :-)
--
SC Tom

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:18:12 -0700, XS11E wrote:

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed
browsing and unlike previous versions, there is no option to
disable tabbed browsing.

+1

-1

I currently have 153 tabs open. What a mess it would be if I needed to have
153 separate instances on my taskbar.

--

Char Jackson

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:18:12 -0700, XS11E wrote:

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed
browsing and unlike previous versions, there is no option to
disable tabbed browsing.

+1

-1

I currently have 153 tabs open. What a mess it would be if I needed to
have
153 separate instances on my taskbar.

--

Char Jackson



Sounds pretty messy anyway. I think I'll play 153 for the daily number
tomorrow. eg
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP 2004 ~ 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:17:42 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:22:38 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:50:14 +0000, John wrote:
But I did get IE 11 (yesterday).

MS must be rolling it out in dribs & drabs. Maybe they want me to feel
superior and you to feel inferior?

Kidding, of course.

They drew straws at Microsoft, and you got
the short one :-)

Will you be disabling the tabbed browsing setting ?
We await your recipe. As a beta tester, it's the
least you can do.

Paul
To tell the truth (isn't that a TV show?), I can't see why anyone who
doesn't use it cares whether tabbed browsing is allowed.

If you don't like it, don't use it, aka "Duh!".

I just tested IE11's behavior with respect to clicking on a link. I
left-clicked on a link and the contents replaced the contents of the tab
I was on. I then Control-clicked a link there and the new page opened in
a new tab.

So if you don't want a new tab, avoid Control-click, or equivalently,
click Right-click followed by open in new tab, or Middle-button (I
tested both of those). But since the Middle-button click might be
something I configured in my mouse driver, YMMV.

So don't control click, etc...

However, I couldn't find a way to disable tabbed browsing.

BTW - someone complained about links not being underlined. There is a
setting for that in the advanced tab under Tools (gear icon)/Internet
Options/Advanced.

BTW, I just noticed an item in tool bar customization (right-click on
the toolbar). It says "Show tabs in a separate row". FWIW. Mine is
checked by default, and that's OK with me.

By Toolbar I mean the top frame boundary regions above or below the
address bar.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Beta Bloch)

See. You are a beta tester. It's even in your .sig :-)

I got the impression from some other comments here, that
the "tabs were unstoppable". But they were no match for
your "click wizardry" :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:
On 12/11/2013 6:49 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 3:47 PM, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

The test version was badly broken - but they may have fixed it for the
release. I'm waiting for more comments before it goes on here.

I tried it a few days ago. A couple of my financial sites balked.
Told me my
browser wasn't supported, or words to that effect. Removed IE 11.
I'll wait until
the world catches up!

Chris


That's what happened to me, except the sites didn't tell me anything,
the just refused to respond. What obviously appeared to be (and were in
Firefox) links remained steadfastly non-responsive - they didn't show
the usual underline. I think that rather than the world catching up it
is Internet Explorer 11 that needs to catch up - all though I'm not very
technical, my guess is that HTML5 was involved and IE could not handle
it yet. As Firefox *could* handle it, Internet Explorer 11 came off the
system sharpish! It's a pity, because it did appear to be very quick now
it firmly integrates itself into Windows again.


I see here, that some users have already been through all of
this. The only question that remains, is whether a User Agent
hack would have any effect or not.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/i...page=~pagenum~


Paul

The User-Agent approach in IE11 vs prior versions has changed though in
Compatibility View it will mimic an IE7 U-A string
See Eric Lawrence comments regarding IE11's Default UA String

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/...ko-webkit.aspx



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msft mvp consumer apps