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Al Drake wrote:
On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. Generic OEM will work. Branded OEM will not. Neither is "allowed" by the license you don't get to read until it's too late for a refund if you don't agree with it. Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between generic and branded? Branded is when you buy a computer with Windows preinstalled. Generic is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832416806 -- Alias |
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In message , Alias
writes: Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. Generic OEM will work. Branded OEM will not. Neither is "allowed" by the license you don't get to read until it's too late for a refund if you don't agree with it. If that's really true, it would fall foul of the UK's "Unfair contract terms" legislation. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way. |
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On 7/1/2014 9:46 AM, Alias wrote:
Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 6/30/2014 6:31 PM, Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. That's fine with me. I have never purchased OEM. I've never purchased retail. Have you ever purchased OEM? Many times, both branded and generic. The only time I've bought branded is with laptops. Why pay more for the same thing? I agree that paying more for something that is the same is a bad idea but my understanding was that the retail version was different. I thought that the OEM version can not be moved to a new computer when you retire the original. Sometimes I refer to upgrade a system or give one away but keep the OS for future use. If I'm wrong then I've been spending needlessly, I agree. |
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On 7/1/2014 9:49 AM, Alias wrote:
Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. Generic OEM will work. Branded OEM will not. Neither is "allowed" by the license you don't get to read until it's too late for a refund if you don't agree with it. Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between generic and branded? Branded is when you buy a computer with Windows preinstalled. Generic is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832416806 OK, so that one in your link is simply purchasing the OEM OS without the computer. Can you move it to another system the same as the retail OS or does it have to be kept on the original computer is gets installed on? |
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Al Drake wrote:
On 7/1/2014 9:46 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 6/30/2014 6:31 PM, Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. That's fine with me. I have never purchased OEM. I've never purchased retail. Have you ever purchased OEM? Many times, both branded and generic. The only time I've bought branded is with laptops. Why pay more for the same thing? I agree that paying more for something that is the same is a bad idea but my understanding was that the retail version was different. I thought that the OEM version can not be moved to a new computer when you retire the original. "May" not. It obviously can be moved. All you gotta do is wait 120 days. Sometimes I refer to upgrade a system or give one away but keep the OS for future use. If I'm wrong then I've been spending needlessly, I agree. -- Alias |
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Al Drake wrote:
On 7/1/2014 9:49 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. Generic OEM will work. Branded OEM will not. Neither is "allowed" by the license you don't get to read until it's too late for a refund if you don't agree with it. Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between generic and branded? Branded is when you buy a computer with Windows preinstalled. Generic is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832416806 OK, so that one in your link is simply purchasing the OEM OS without the computer. Can you move it to another system the same as the retail OS or does it have to be kept on the original computer is gets installed on? MS says you may not. Experience says you can if you wait 120 days. Besides, what's a "new computer"? MS has never stated what part of a computer is "the" computer. Is it the processor, mother board, RAM, case, a screw that got updated? I have even called to activate successfully by stating I upgraded everything in the computer except the case. -- Alias |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Alias writes: Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. Generic OEM will work. Branded OEM will not. Neither is "allowed" by the license you don't get to read until it's too late for a refund if you don't agree with it. If that's really true, it would fall foul of the UK's "Unfair contract terms" legislation. If you open the package, you cannot get a refund. And to see the EULA, you need to open the package unless in the UK, the EULA is on the outside of the package. -- Alias |
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Alias wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: If that's really true, it would fall foul of the UK's "Unfair contract terms" legislation. If you open the package, you cannot get a refund. And to see the EULA, you need to open the package unless in the UK, the EULA is on the outside of the package. The outside of my Win7 Ultimate box (Retail not OEM) says "You must accept the enclosed license terms before you can use this software. To read the license terms go to www.microsoft.com/useterms" |
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Alias wrote, On 7/2/2014 6:51 AM:
MS says you may not. Experience says you can if you wait 120 days. Besides, what's a "new computer"? MS has never stated what part of a computer is "the" computer. Is it the processor, mother board, RAM, case, a screw that got updated? I have even called to activate successfully by stating I upgraded everything in the computer except the case. Apparently stated more clearly than understood cf. Win7 EULA qp License Model. The software is licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate computer. /qp Doesn't appear that a mobo, processor, ram, case or screw meet the above. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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.. . .winston wrote:
Alias wrote, On 7/2/2014 6:51 AM: MS says you may not. Experience says you can if you wait 120 days. Besides, what's a "new computer"? MS has never stated what part of a computer is "the" computer. Is it the processor, mother board, RAM, case, a screw that got updated? I have even called to activate successfully by stating I upgraded everything in the computer except the case. Apparently stated more clearly than understood cf. Win7 EULA qp License Model. The software is licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate computer. /qp Doesn't appear that a mobo, processor, ram, case or screw meet the above. And so if your hard drive dies, they expect you to buy another license? -- Alias |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Alias wrote: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: If that's really true, it would fall foul of the UK's "Unfair contract terms" legislation. If you open the package, you cannot get a refund. And to see the EULA, you need to open the package unless in the UK, the EULA is on the outside of the package. The outside of my Win7 Ultimate box (Retail not OEM) says "You must accept the enclosed license terms before you can use this software. To read the license terms go to www.microsoft.com/useterms" I guess they are finally waking up to the problem but what if you don't have Internet access? Or you won't have it until Windows is installed? -- Alias |
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| MS says you may not. Experience says you can if you wait 120 days.
| Besides, what's a "new computer"? MS has never stated what part of a | computer is "the" computer. Is it the processor, mother board, RAM, | case, a screw that got updated? I have even called to activate | successfully by stating I upgraded everything in the computer except the | case. | | | Apparently stated more clearly than understood | | cf. Win7 EULA | qp | License Model. The software is licensed on a per copy per computer | basis. A computer is a physical hardware system with an internal storage | device capable of running the software. A hardware partition or blade is | considered to be a separate computer. | /qp | | Doesn't appear that a mobo, processor, ram, case or screw meet the above. | That's an interesting clarification. As I recall, when Product Activation was originally instituted, MS said the motherboard was the official licensee. The WinME packaging said the software was licensed both to the person and the hardware. Which raises interesting questions: If I die does my motherboard have the right to assign a new co-licensee? If so, then surely I can assign a new co-licensee if my motherboard dies. If not then how can the software be licensed to the motherboard? XP OEM says the following: ---------------- The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer system component. ...... The SOFTWARE is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by new HARDWARE, you may not use the SOFTWARE. -------------- So if the dealer sends a screw with the disk in order to fulfill the requirment, that screw must be used in all installations of the software. The defining of a "hard disk or partition" seems to be new to Win7. With Vista it says the license must be assigned to a single "hardware system". In fact there really is no such thing as a computer, so there's no easy way to define the license. So they started saying "device". And now they say, according to your quote, that the software is licensed *per disk partition*. All of it is an attempt to connect physical limitations and disintegration with intellectual property, as is true with printed books. It never quite works and never achieves credibility because the intellectual property is not truly connected in any meaningful way with the hardware. It could be the disk, but since most computers don't even come with a disk, Microsoft has forfeited that option. There isn't any clean way to deal with it. For that reason, Product Activation turned out to be a good solution. It's a kind of legal passive aggression. They don't need to argue in courts about the whole thing. By tying the system to an OEM box and providing no disk, Microsoft has ensured that 99% of computers bought or built will lose Windows when something breaks. Thus the situation has been reversed: Rather than end-users using Windows twice, illegally, Microsoft is passively forcing people to buy software licenses they've already paid for when they buy a replacement computer or have repairs done. And for the most part, the public have no idea that they're being cheated. |
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On 7/2/2014 6:49 AM, Alias wrote:
Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 9:46 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 6/30/2014 6:31 PM, Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. That's fine with me. I have never purchased OEM. I've never purchased retail. Have you ever purchased OEM? Many times, both branded and generic. The only time I've bought branded is with laptops. Why pay more for the same thing? I agree that paying more for something that is the same is a bad idea but my understanding was that the retail version was different. I thought that the OEM version can not be moved to a new computer when you retire the original. "May" not. It obviously can be moved. All you gotta do is wait 120 days. Sometimes I refer to upgrade a system or give one away but keep the OS for future use. If I'm wrong then I've been spending needlessly, I agree. Ok, Now I'm begging to get it. Sorry if I'm a slow learner. Now answer me this. Is this 120 day wait in conflict with the terms set by Microsoft? Maybe I have been misunderstanding more than I thought. |
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Al Drake wrote:
On 7/2/2014 6:49 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 9:46 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 6/30/2014 6:31 PM, Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. That's fine with me. I have never purchased OEM. I've never purchased retail. Have you ever purchased OEM? Many times, both branded and generic. The only time I've bought branded is with laptops. Why pay more for the same thing? I agree that paying more for something that is the same is a bad idea but my understanding was that the retail version was different. I thought that the OEM version can not be moved to a new computer when you retire the original. "May" not. It obviously can be moved. All you gotta do is wait 120 days. Sometimes I refer to upgrade a system or give one away but keep the OS for future use. If I'm wrong then I've been spending needlessly, I agree. Ok, Now I'm begging to get it. Sorry if I'm a slow learner. Now answer me this. Is this 120 day wait in conflict with the terms set by Microsoft? Maybe I have been misunderstanding more than I thought. If you do it, MS does not approve. They want you to buy another license rather than move a generic OEM to another computer or (horrors!) install the same license on two or more computers. -- Alias |
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On 7/2/2014 1:14 PM, Alias wrote:
Al Drake wrote: On 7/2/2014 6:49 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 9:46 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 7/1/2014 6:50 AM, Alias wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 6/30/2014 6:31 PM, Mayayana wrote: | After 120 days, MS wipes the slate clean and if you were to try an | activate another computer with the same license, it will activate online. | I've never heard of that. It may work. I've never tried it. But I do know that OEM is not licensed for that. That's fine with me. I have never purchased OEM. I've never purchased retail. Have you ever purchased OEM? Many times, both branded and generic. The only time I've bought branded is with laptops. Why pay more for the same thing? I agree that paying more for something that is the same is a bad idea but my understanding was that the retail version was different. I thought that the OEM version can not be moved to a new computer when you retire the original. "May" not. It obviously can be moved. All you gotta do is wait 120 days. Sometimes I refer to upgrade a system or give one away but keep the OS for future use. If I'm wrong then I've been spending needlessly, I agree. Ok, Now I'm begging to get it. Sorry if I'm a slow learner. Now answer me this. Is this 120 day wait in conflict with the terms set by Microsoft? Maybe I have been misunderstanding more than I thought. If you do it, MS does not approve. They want you to buy another license rather than move a generic OEM to another computer or (horrors!) install the same license on two or more computers. Then regardless of what anyone thinks when someone install Windows OS they agree with the terms that means however it is worded their interpretation is the only one that counts. Yes? No? |
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