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  #61  
Old December 8th 18, 05:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:

This looks to me very much like an IE strategy:
Make a product that makes everything work better
on Windows. Look for integrated OneDrive, widgets
for gmail, etc. Otherwise it would make no sense
for MS to just release yet another Chromium
browser with a slightly different wrapper.


"release yet another Chromium" === hell would freeze over

Rest assured it'll look like Edge, with a Chromium
engine. That'll be the end game.

The real question would be, what would that accomplish ?
What would any of this change accomplish ?

It looks like a make-work project. It has no
practical ramifications for end users, because
they'll keep playing with it, until they "break"
whatever advantage such a starting point might
have had. Is it "embrace and extend" ? Who
knows. I can't figure out what the point is.

It'll just end up as another "test target"
for web server developers, with appropriate "if-then-else"
to handle "Mromium".

Paul
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  #62  
Old December 8th 18, 06:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-08 10:05 a.m., Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-12-07 20:21, SilverSlimer wrote:
[...]

Yep. Believe it or not, not all students are perfect little angels
like what you socialists tend to believe.

[...]

I was a teacher, too. _No_ students are little angels. They're human
beings. Did you really expect some of them to be little angels? No
wonder you had problems as teacher.


Me calling some students filth does not suggest that I had problems with
the students. In fact, I was the go-to teacher when it came to
disciplinary issues. I had a solution to every behavioural problem and
still do. Perhaps Socialists like you need to stop making assumptions.

I've taught psychopaths, so did you. I knew it for some of them
(psychopaths aren't that easy to identify). Have you? Did you know it?
What did you do about it?

And you have no idea what my political views are. You confuse morality
and religion with politics.


Your judgemental behaviour and endless assumptions make it clear that
you're a leftist as does your posts' tone. In them, you write as though
you're on some sort of moral high ground which is typical of leftists.
You're not fooling anyone. You're like that Hyundai Accent driver in the
speeding lane.


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  #63  
Old December 8th 18, 06:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/8/2018 9:48 AM, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:


it would make no sense for MS to just release yet another Chromium
browser with a slightly different wrapper.


Rest assured it'll look like Edge, with a Chromium engine. That'll be
the end game.


It has no practical ramifications for end users


When using my el cheapo under powered W10 tablet (Acer One 10) to stream
Cox Contour TV channels in Edge I get momentary freezes. Not so using
Google Chrome. Perhaps Edge with a Chromium engine will improve things
for under powered devices.
  #64  
Old December 8th 18, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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SilverSlimer wrote:

In fact, I was the go-to teacher when it came to disciplinary issues.


I bet you'd be no match for our Grade 9 gym teacher.

He picked up a student by the neck, right off
the floor (like he was Darth Vader) and slammed
the student into the wall.

And this was before Star Wars movies, so this wasn't a
move he copied from a movie.

What he was demonstrating to the student, is if
you were to pick a fight with him, it wouldn't
be a fair fight.

None of the students complained (we didn't report it),
and there also weren't any more performances like that.
The gym teacher wasn't a "serial offender"
like some of my other teachers in school were.

You could tell the gym teacher must have
still been visiting the weight room in the
evening. He hadn't gone all flabby from school life.
I mean, if you have to demonstrate the rope climb
we used to have to do, up to the roof girder,
you'd have to do that yourself. And he was
still fit enough to do that.

Paul
  #65  
Old December 8th 18, 08:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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123456789 wrote:
On 12/8/2018 9:48 AM, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:


it would make no sense for MS to just release yet another Chromium
browser with a slightly different wrapper.


Rest assured it'll look like Edge, with a Chromium engine. That'll be
the end game.


It has no practical ramifications for end users


When using my el cheapo under powered W10 tablet (Acer One 10) to stream
Cox Contour TV channels in Edge I get momentary freezes. Not so using
Google Chrome. Perhaps Edge with a Chromium engine will improve things
for under powered devices.


It will behave better, if they leave the Chromium display
driving portion alone.

But they really can't do that. To make this new "toy"
run on Windows10-S, they'll have to use the same techniques
Edge uses today. They can't leave any "Win32" behavior
in their new browser.

Expect it to behave just like Edge, when they're finished.

If they could do away with Windows10-S, this would not
have to happen, and more of the positive aspects could
be saved.

Paul
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Old December 8th 18, 08:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-08 1:59 p.m., Paul wrote:
SilverSlimer wrote:

In fact, I was the go-to teacher when it came to disciplinary issues.


I bet you'd be no match for our Grade 9 gym teacher.

He picked up a student by the neck, right off
the floor (like he was Darth Vader) and slammed
the student into the wall.

And this was before Star Wars movies, so this wasn't a
move he copied from a movie.

What he was demonstrating to the student, is if
you were to pick a fight with him, it wouldn't
be a fair fight.

None of the students complained (we didn't report it),
and there also weren't any more performances like that.
The gym teacher wasn't a "serial offender"
like some of my other teachers in school were.

You could tell the gym teacher must have
still been visiting the weight room in the
evening. He hadn't gone all flabby from school life.
I mean, if you have to demonstrate the rope climb
we used to have to do, up to the roof girder,
you'd have to do that yourself. And he was
still fit enough to do that.


Nowadays, something like that would have gotten you both arrested and
fired. In fact, I was told of issues where elementary schoolchildren
kicked teachers for a while and when the teacher reacted - by grabbing
the child by the shoulders and saying "Stop!" - they were arrested,
investigated and eventually dismissed. My discipline involves careful
psychology and even then, it's considered too much by many.

Kids and their parents are increasingly given power and the climate is
absolutely insufferable for many to the point that a good proportion of
teachers leave the profession within the first five years. Those
teachers aren't incompetent either; they simply wanted to teach and were
very good at it, but the profession favours the masochists rather than
the the organized intellectuals.

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  #67  
Old December 9th 18, 12:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/8/2018 12:03 PM, Paul wrote:
123456789 wrote:


When using my el cheapo under powered W10 tablet (Acer One 10) to
stream Cox Contour TV channels in Edge I get momentary freezes.
Not so using Google Chrome. Perhaps Edge with a Chromium engine
will improve things for under powered devices.


From your comments below I thought you might think my under powered Asus
tablet runs W10-S. It does not. It came with the a full w10 version.

It will behave better, if they leave the Chromium display driving
portion alone.


They apparently a "Although Edge will survive, it will no longer be a
Microsoft-made browser: It will exist as a UI (user interface) wrapper
around core technologies developed almost entirely by Google engineers"

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...owser-war.html

But they really can't do that. To make this new "toy" run on
Windows10-S, they'll have to use the same techniques Edge uses
today.


W10-S has apparently had the ability to run the Google Chrome browser
for over a year now. So why not the new MS Chromium Edge browser?

"there’s an unofficial way to run Win32 apps on a Windows 10 S system.
The Citrix receiver app will let users install and run programs with a
..exe extension and the likes, on Windows 10 S computers"

"What this means is that if you opt for a Surface Laptop with Windows
10S, you will be able to run Google Chrome"

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/tech...ndows-10s.html

Expect it to behave just like Edge, when they're finished.


Apparently I should expect it to run just like Chrome when they're finished.

If they could do away with Windows10-S, this would not have to
happen, and more of the positive aspects could be saved.


Perhaps you could elaborate (but not too much)...

  #68  
Old December 9th 18, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote

| The "bug" you note was reported in the Vivaldi
| forum... and promptly ignored. The thread got 1100 views
| according to the counter, so some other people were looking
| for info on that. Of course, a bug isn't a bug
| unless it's recorded in a bugtracker - then it
| would get attention.
|
I found another obscure and odd thing about Vivaldi.
According to Depends it seems to be using winhttp.dll
to get webpages, rather than a direct winsock
conversation with the server.

Very odd, but also relevant to WinXP/7 users:
TLS 1.2 is not enabled by default on those systems.
A security update and Registry settings are
required to enable it through winhttp.


  #69  
Old December 10th 18, 01:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| The "bug" you note was reported in the Vivaldi
| forum... and promptly ignored. The thread got 1100 views
| according to the counter, so some other people were looking
| for info on that. Of course, a bug isn't a bug
| unless it's recorded in a bugtracker - then it
| would get attention.
|
I found another obscure and odd thing about Vivaldi.
According to Depends it seems to be using winhttp.dll
to get webpages, rather than a direct winsock
conversation with the server.

Very odd, but also relevant to WinXP/7 users:
TLS 1.2 is not enabled by default on those systems.
A security update and Registry settings are
required to enable it through winhttp.


Might it be using both approaches, depending on situation ?

Try pointing your test browser at the ssllabs site and test.

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html

Paul



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Old December 10th 18, 02:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote

| Might it be using both approaches, depending on situation ?
|

It seems odd because winhttp is basically a winsock
wrapper for use with Windows software. It was designed
to replace older methods for downloading files that were
really just IE wrappers. But it doesn't provide full access
to the server conversation. I wouldn't expect a browser
to use it.

| Try pointing your test browser at the ssllabs site and test.
|
| https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html
|

I already removed Vivaldi. It was something like 150 MB
and I had no inrtention of using it in the future, so I
cleared the space.


  #71  
Old December 10th 18, 03:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/8/18 6:55 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-12-08 02:34, T wrote:
[...]
We butchered over a hundred
thousand children last year (abortion) alone.Â* The karma
on that one has got to be something to behold.

[...]

Approximately 1/4 of pregnancies in the UK end in miscarriage.

https://www.tommys.org/our-organisat...cs/miscarriage


Some obgyn researchers estimate that a much larger proportion of
fertilisations fail to implant. (That process takes about 2 weeks. Some
of those failures are noticed as delayed periods. Any couple that has
"tried for a baby" knows that it's not nearly as easy as
abstain-before-marriage folks imply.)

That's millions of unborn babies.

The karma on that has to affect someone. Maybe the god who created that
process.

Best,


That is sad news.

Now of those miscarriages, did their parents mourn the loss
of a zit or a human being?

There is a big, big difference between a natural process
(miscarriage) and an outright murder. The karma on butchering
such a helpless human being has got to be something to behold




  #72  
Old December 10th 18, 04:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/8/18 6:55 AM, Wolf K wrote:
Maybe the god who created that process.


So, may I presume that you believe in Intelligent Design?
  #73  
Old December 13th 18, 04:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/8/18 11:29 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
Nowadays, something like that would have gotten you both arrested and
fired.


I can send you guys a cake with a file inside. No?
  #74  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:10:43 -0500, micky
wrote:


I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.


I've gotten several updates since the date above Dec 7, and it still
jumps up and downwhen I use Up and Down or Page up and down. At least
when I'm looking at the Trip Advisor forum, and maybe elsewhere.

I ended up using Opera, and it doesn't do that at all. so if others
have this problem, try Opera or some other browser. Opera is missing
some features so I may just keep it for trip advisor and use FF for
other stuff.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.

Do I have to report it, or will all the beta testers do so?


 




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