Good news for Windows users!

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/
Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.


To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.

Do I have to report it, or will all the beta testers do so?

There's an example here.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1185702

"prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser"

Paul

Mayayana wrote:


At one point there was a problem with the install and
it showed me a message saying the install failed. "Please
download Google Chrome again." Did the Vivaldians
actually do anything other than wrap Google Chrome?

Interesting, that the open source version, mentions Google
Chrome by name. They probably need to go through all these
and change them. Or perhaps their strategy was, to take advantage
of Google Help pages already based on some of the text
from these error messages.

https://chromium.googlesource.com/ch...ings_en-GB.xtb

"An operating system error occurred during installation.
Please download Google Chrome again.

The installer failed to uncompress archive.
Please download Google Chrome again.

Installation failed due to unspecified error.
Please download Google Chrome again.

The installer archive is corrupted or invalid.
Please download Google Chrome again.
"

You would think this scheme could have used $PRODUCT_NAME
instead of a fixed string like that.

Paul

"Paul" wrote
|
https://chromium.googlesource.com/ch...ings_en-GB.xtb
|

You're such a sleuth, Paul. I didn't realize vivaldi was
just a Chromium wrapper. As I understand it, that
still has the Google spyware built in. In fact, even SRWare
Iron, the selling point of which is no spyware, calls home
to Google.

It was one of these errors I got. The issue was that
after the installer ran it tried to open itself but, oddly, I
got a download dialogue. ("Run or save?") I cancelled
that, not knowing what it was trying to do, then got
the error.

| Installation failed due to unspecified error.
| Please download Google Chrome again.
|
| You would think this scheme could have used $PRODUCT_NAME
| instead of a fixed string like that.
|

Indeed. You would think that such a widespread
program, with an installer that doesn't even actually
install but only unpacks everything into a folder,
could do that job without glitches.

Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote
|
https://chromium.googlesource.com/ch...ings_en-GB.xtb
|

You're such a sleuth, Paul. I didn't realize vivaldi was
just a Chromium wrapper. As I understand it, that
still has the Google spyware built in. In fact, even SRWare
Iron, the selling point of which is no spyware, calls home
to Google.

It was one of these errors I got. The issue was that
after the installer ran it tried to open itself but, oddly, I
got a download dialogue. ("Run or save?") I cancelled
that, not knowing what it was trying to do, then got
the error.

| Installation failed due to unspecified error.
| Please download Google Chrome again.
|
| You would think this scheme could have used $PRODUCT_NAME
| instead of a fixed string like that.
|

Indeed. You would think that such a widespread
program, with an installer that doesn't even actually
install but only unpacks everything into a folder,
could do that job without glitches.

The "bug" you note was reported in the Vivaldi
forum... and promptly ignored. The thread got 1100 views
according to the counter, so some other people were looking
for info on that. Of course, a bug isn't a bug
unless it's recorded in a bugtracker - then it
would get attention.

Paul

On 2018-12-06 2:44 p.m., T wrote:
On 12/6/18 10:20 AM, David B. wrote:
On 06/12/2018 18:04, T wrote:
On 12/5/18 12:27 PM, David B. wrote:
On 05/12/2018 16:36, T wrote:
On 12/5/18 3:11 AM, David B. wrote:
Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser
By Mayank Parmar
December 4, 2018

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/



Just use Firefox or Brave or both.

I'm just the messenger, 'T'!Â* ;-)


Sorry.Â* Sometimes getting straight to the point can come off
a bit rude.

My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove
their icons and replace them with IE.Â* I try to get them on Firefox.
The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an
add blocker).

As an Aussie might say - *no worries mate*! ;-)

I use all popular browsers to keep myself current but as my main
machine Â*Â*nowadays is a 27inc Apple iMac, I tend to use Safari far
more than any other.


Take a peak at

https://brave.com

It has build in ad blocking and is very fast.Â* Its does not
accommodate pop ups though.Â* It is my "if Firefox doesn't work"
go to browser.

All I can say is "To Hell with Firefox" and the people developing it for
getting rid of Brendan Eich, who created the damned browser, just
because he didn't go along with their love for transsexual freaks and
homosexuals. I support Brave first as a result of how they disrespected
his freedom of speech as well as his freedom of association. Even if I
disagreed with his position - and I don't because in no way should
homosexuals be allowed to marry or start families considering that
statistics show them to be a lot more abusive toward children - I would
support his right to have such a position despite his role in the
company that he created.

--
SilverSlimer
Minds: @silverslimer

"Stephen Chadfield" wrote

We seem to find very different products under
the same name, but I appreciate your detailed
answers.

| "We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last
| octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the
| resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup. The
| purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active
| users and their geographical distribution."
|
| For me that is not unreasonable.
|

We differ there. If I find someone in my house I don't
find it credible when they tell me they just wanted to
see what cereal brands I eat. The problem is the
intrusion, but also the precedent. They have no business
tracking at all. Just as my TV, car, or toaster have no
business calling home. Though I heard recently that
Ford, I think, is considering selling such data to the highest
bidder. Without laws we can only depend on integrity.
In the meantime, allowing these intrusions sets a precedent,
making them seem normal. And that sets legal precedents.

Google also claims to anonymize. They all claim to
anonymize. That's the oldest trick in the book. A
fundamental function of computer analysis is to overcome
the limits of unstructured data. Google have more than
enough data from the average person to give them
a positive ID. Do you really imagine they don't optimize
their use of that data? These are the same people
who lied when they were caught slurping private wifi
data with their streetview cars. The same people who
whose company has two functions: to spy and to
show ads. How many companies do you suppose are
more honest than Google?
(Clearly not Facebook, as this week's headlines have
shown.)

I suppose you could take a more legalistic view: If
Google pops up an ad in your bathroom mirror for
hemmorhoid cream while you sit on the toilet, maybe
that's OK as long as they don't store your name and IP
address in the same database as their tracking data?
So, in a sense, despite knowing every move you make
they can claim it's "anonymous". OK for you, if you don't
mind. I do mind. And I don't buy their ridiculous
"anonymous" claims.

| I know. It's anonymous. Blah, blah, blah. It's spyware.
| Calling home with reports is spyware. And sure enough,
| after it started it tried to call Iceland without asking.
| But then it tried to call Google. (172.217.10.238) Then it
| tried to call another Google IP. (216.58.222.174). And
| yet another. (216.58.219.238) It's running for 5 minutes
| while I look at settings options and it's already tried to
| call Google 3 times! What was that about privacy?
|
| In the settings there are options that utilize Google services, such
| as fishing and malware protection. They can be turned off.
|

Yes. I saw that. And did. And it called home. This
was without loading a webpage. I hadn't even given it
permission to go through the firewall. So it hardly
needed to call home for phishing or malware info.

| You are not doing it right. The only search suggestions I see are from
| from previously typed requests, history and bookmarks. These three
| sections are clearly separated and identified in the drop-down menu.
|
That's what I saw, too. It was getting suggestions from
the load of commercial bookmarks that come preinstalled.
*But I don't want any dropdown.*
The point is that despite turning off auto-complete and
search suggestions, the location bar was still acting as a
search field, suggesting auto-complete crap from the
bookmarks that aren't mine. All I wanted to do was to have
a plain location bar. I type an address and press enter.
It goes. I don't want suggestions. If they're local then
at least that's private, but I don't want that function at all.
It's just noise to me. (Especially when all the suggestions
are to links I never wanted!)

| There seem to be no settings even for such simple
| things as script or tabs. I can't disable script? I can't
| not have tabs? I don't know because there seems to
| be no help file! (A website is not a help file.) But I sure
| can't find those settings.
|
| There is a large settings section devoted to tabs. I don't understand
| how you could miss it.
|
My mistake. Unchecking tabs does seem to eliminate them.
Though, like Firefox, the program is designed to treat that as
an invalid choice. The context menu and file menu still have
"Open in new tab" options. And like firefox, Vivaldi still puts
that at top in the context menu. That's really inexcusable.
It's such a simple thing to hide irrelevant menu items.

| By clicking to the left of the URL in the address bar site settings
| can be accessed and JavaScript and other features can be disabled on a
| per-site basis.
|

Wow. Could they make it less user-friendly? How
would I have ever guessed that? And what good is it
after I've loaded the page? I just want a simple
setting in the settings. "Enable javascript". To be
fair, though, Mozilla have also hidden that. One needs
the Settings Sanity extension or similar to get it back.
But actually, those settings are not so bad. And I
can disable script globally. The only problem is that
those settings don't show in the program settings!
I have to click what should be a site icon. Was I
supposed to know that? Any other useful Easter Eggs?

| At one point there was a problem with the install and
| it showed me a message saying the install failed. "Please
| download Google Chrome again." Did the Vivaldians
| actually do anything other than wrap Google Chrome?
|
| This has never happened to me. Maybe there is something wrong with
| your computer.
|

Maybe. Experienced Windows programmer gets
funky installer. It's probably his fault.

The installer merely dumps everything into a program
folder and then runs the program without asking. I don't
mind the dump, though it's unorthodox and confusing for
beginners who expect a start menu shortcut. But
something about the way the installer did it caused me
to see a download dialogue when it started up. Confused
as to what it was trying to do, I cancelled that, or maybe
clicked Save instead of Run. That's what caused the error
message. The program actually worked fine. Which made
sense. After all, the installer was nothing more than a
7-Zip SFX unpacker. They should be able to handle
running that without problems, since they're not even
bothering to create shortcuts or an app data folder.

But much better would be to make a real installer,
or at least show a message explaining their half-assed
"installer":

"Do you want to run Vivaldi now? |Yes| |No|
Also note, you will find no orthodox method to start
Vivaldi in the future. You can find the program file in
the path C:\...... Consult your Windows help if, for some
strange reason, you'd like to have an accessible shortcut
to the program. The Vivaldi program is intended for tech
hipsters, not halfwit newbies who don't know where
Program Files is."


| And why can't it load in a normal window? Rule #1
| of good software design is don't overrule user choice.
| But my only choice is a UI that looks like Mac, with a
| Metro-esque design theme. Flat. Boring. Uninformative.
|
| Vivaldi has one of the most customisable browser interfaces I have
| seen. This includes native window decorations.

All I saw was a choice between dark and light. But
if I don't want chartreuse, or snakeskin, or Star Wars
theme, shouldn't I be able to have normal? Shouldn't
it start normal by default?
As far as I could see, there's no normal
option. I can select "Show Native Interface", but that
gives me a sort of baby blue Mac frame and Vivaldi is
still taking over the toolbars and menu bar with their
Metro-esque theme. There's nothing native in the window.
It's all skinned or owner-painted by Vivaldi.

Other problems:

* I'm forced to choose a background before
I can dig through the settings to turn it off.

* Even though I disabled the "speed dial"
AKA startup ads, it flashes by first before loading
the selected homepage.

* I found no less than 5 settings to stop location
bar auto-complete:

Address autocomplete - disabled
Enable search filed in address bar - disabled
Search suggestions - disabled
Enable search in address field - disabled
Enable search suggestions in address field - disabled

Yet despite adjusting all of those settings, it still
doesn't stop. If I type a "d" it wants me to go to
dailymotion.com. What the f*** is dailymotion.com?!
The thing won't shut up. As far as I know it only
required one setting to make the Firefox location bar
stop auto-suggesting.

I noticed that their jingle is "a browser for our
friends". So maybe that's the way Vivaldi should
be viewed: A browser by and for Googlites. The
trouble with this trend is that it's a kind of geek
chauvinism. Geeks tend to be partially socialized
young men who live on their phones, love online
services and social media, etc. High-tech
consumers who typically don't know how to feed
themselves. It's a unique mindset. They tend to
think some things are just "right". Things like:

* the more script the better
* tabs rule
* flat UI rules
* the perfect program window or webpage has only a
gear icon and a "hamburger".
* Why read a webpage when you can be dazzled
by 120 open tabs?
* Pull is so 20th century. Push rules. The more
push the better. All Google all the time.
* Awesome bars are awesome.

Those are all legitimate choices if people want
them. And I can see why they do. A former Apple
programmer working on phone OSs once told me
his dream was to have a phone that tells him what
to do. Need to buy stamps or get a haircut? Why
should he have to remember that? Let his phone do it.
He essentially wanted a henpecking wife in the form
of an iPhone.
But that's not the way most people live. Software
shouldn't be built in the image of unsocialized geeks.

I've gone on too long, as usual. But I think this
discussion is worthwhile. You and I disagree on
what's important in a browser, but the exploration
can help other people make informed choices. I
wish more people would write detailed analysis of
their own. Trying out different software programs
to find my favorite is one of the most time-consuming,
tedious things I do.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:10:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/

Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.



To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.



I just went to Trip Advisor with FireFox 63.0.3 and tried what you
did. It did not happen here.

And by the way, to update my previous message you quoted above, I just
read this morning that Microsoft says the new Chrome-based browser
will still be called "Edge" (I don't care what it's called), and it
will keep Edge's look and feel (but I do care a lot about that; it's
what I most dislike about Edge). So if that turns out to be true, I'll
reverse what I said: it's highly unlikely that I will like it any
better than the present Edge.

As I said, *I* don't care what it's called, but I think if Microsoft
keeps the name "Edge," they are making a serious mistake. Considering
the very large number of people who dislike Edge, the new browser
would probably do much better with a different name. And changing its
look and feel would probably be a good idea too.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 21:14:26 +0900, Stephen Chadfield
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 10:30:16 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Stephen Chadfield" wrote
I don't know what most of your requirements
even mean. Why do I need to zoom so much?

Maybe you don't need such control over zoom levels. My eyesight and
preferences dictate that I do.



Are you aware that in most browsers, and in most other Windows
programs, whether by Microsoft or a third-party (it's a Windows
standard), you can change the zoom by holding down the Ctrl key and
scrolling the mouse wheel?

Ken Blake wrote:
Considering
the very large number of people who dislike Edge, the new browser
would probably do much better with a different name.

Well we know how adept Microsoft is with names. For example, Outlook or
Explorer.

"Paul" wrote

| The "bug" you note was reported in the Vivaldi
| forum... and promptly ignored. The thread got 1100 views
| according to the counter, so some other people were looking
| for info on that. Of course, a bug isn't a bug
| unless it's recorded in a bugtracker - then it
| would get attention.
|

Interesting. Thanks. I wonder what triggers the
download window. It seems to be just shelling
the program EXE at the end of setup. So maybe
vivaldi.exe itself is misinterpreting the load, showing
the dialogue, then going batty when it gets an
unexpected message back.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:


Google also claims to anonymize.

for some things.

however, if someone is logged into a google account, it's obviously
*not* anonymized.

They all claim to
anonymize.

sometimes.

That's the oldest trick in the book. A
fundamental function of computer analysis is to overcome
the limits of unstructured data. Google have more than
enough data from the average person to give them
a positive ID. Do you really imagine they don't optimize
their use of that data?

of course, that's their business model.

however, your isp has a lot more data. they know *every* connection you
make and how much data you send/receive, while google only knows about
connections to google and any site with analytics (which is most of
them).

some isps have backdoors to their own routers for remote configuration
and/or firmware updates, and in some cases they can see how many
devices you have, what they are and even see the wifi network name and
its password.

These are the same people
who lied when they were caught slurping private wifi
data with their streetview cars.

slurping is the wrong word. they were mapping wifi base stations and
kept all data rather than filter it out at the source.

since the data was transmitted into the public airspace, *anyone* could
view and/or capture it. it would be very unusual if *nobody* did that.

solution: encryption.

The same people who
whose company has two functions: to spy and to
show ads. How many companies do you suppose are
more honest than Google?

quite a few.

(Clearly not Facebook, as this week's headlines have
shown.)

facebook is worse, yes. criminally so.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:15:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/
Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.


To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.

Do I have to report it, or will all the beta testers do so?

There's an example here.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1185702

"prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser"

Paul

Well, a) it shows someone reporting something, getting a possible
solution, and appreciation too.
b) it started for him a year ago and for me only a month or so
ago. OTOH maybe just recently I enabled some accessibility service that
is causing the problem. OT3H, I have installed things, but not about
accessibility afaik.
c) I checked it and I restarted and it should take no more than a
day to figure out if it got rid of the problem.
d) I don't know how you find all these relevant webpages. I know
it has to do with Google, but still.

Thanks, Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:15:50 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:10:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/

Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.



To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.



I just went to Trip Advisor with FireFox 63.0.3 and tried what you
did. It did not happen here.

Thanks. Do you think this could be another problem caused when I have
too many tabs loaded, too few resources, like CPU or Disk?

I've taken steps to increase my resources, but I tend now to suspect
resources for any problem I have.


And by the way, to update my previous message you quoted above, I just
read this morning that Microsoft says the new Chrome-based browser
will still be called "Edge" (I don't care what it's called), and it
will keep Edge's look and feel (but I do care a lot about that; it's
what I most dislike about Edge).

I don't like that either.

So if that turns out to be true, I'll
reverse what I said: it's highly unlikely that I will like it any
better than the present Edge.

As I said, *I* don't care what it's called, but I think if Microsoft
keeps the name "Edge," they are making a serious mistake. Considering
the very large number of people who dislike Edge, the new browser
would probably do much better with a different name. And changing its
look and feel would probably be a good idea too.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 12:28:03 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:15:35 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/
Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.


To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.

Do I have to report it, or will all the beta testers do so?

There's an example here.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1185702

"prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser"

Paul

Well, a) it shows someone reporting something, getting a possible
solution, and appreciation too.
b) it started for him a year ago and for me only a month or so
ago. OTOH maybe just recently I enabled some accessibility service that
is causing the problem. OT3H, I have installed things, but not about
accessibility afaik.
c) I checked it and I restarted and it should take no more than a
day to figure out if it got rid of the problem.
d) I don't know how you find all these relevant webpages. I know
it has to do with Google, but still.

Thanks, Paul

It had a link to explain accessibility services which says:

What is the Accessibility Service Indicator?
An accessibility 57 icon displayed in the Firefox tab bar which
communicates to users that Firefox Accessibility Service is enabled and
in use.

I've never had that so I'm not optimistic**. But there is still point
a in my previous reply to you. **In fact on this very page I am having
trouble. See post I'm about to post in this thread.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 12:29:14 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 07 Dec 2018 08:15:50 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:10:43 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/

Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware
built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users.



To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to
be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst,
and Chrome is only one step above it.

My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but
not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I
would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere
near as good as FireFox.

I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the
Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking
in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same
iirc.

I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly
happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com .

Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too.



I just went to Trip Advisor with FireFox 63.0.3 and tried what you
did. It did not happen here.

Thanks. Do you think this could be another problem caused when I have
too many tabs loaded,



I doubt it. But it's easy to find out. Close all the tabs but that one
and see if the problem remains.


too few resources, like CPU or Disk?


I doubt that too.