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On 1/4/19 12:30 PM, T wrote:
On 1/4/19 10:23 AM, wrote: I have many great 16 bit apps that I run in a virtual machine running Windows XP . Stuff created in QB45 and Visual Basic v3 . I adore virtual machines.Â* My base system is Fedora Linux and I have all kinds of VM running various version of Windows, Linux, DOS, etc..Â* May host machine backs up the virtual hard drive and I have wonderful restore capabilities.Â* If mess something up on a VM, I wipe the virtual hard drive and restore from backup. Problem solved. The easy backup / restore definitely is one of the advantages of a VM. Also, a VM could be used to get around software not running on new hardware. I really, really don't get folks that dual boot their computers. What a pain in the ass to go back and forth, not to mention a house of cards. I had a dual boot system once. It got where it wouldn't boot anything. I suspect it was a victim of corporate paranoia (some software overwriting the boot area of the disk with its "protection" (assume you're a thief) junk). -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should believeth all sorts of other ridiculous nonsense as well." |
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On 1/4/2019 9:23 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:45:20 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It may be "obsolete" for some users who believe MS but W7 works perfectly. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years If it ain't broke, don't fix it! AAMOI I've just got a job to fix a DOS application running on W7 that the user say's won't work running on W10. I suppose I'll have to get a recent W10 to test my fix before I work out a charge. Steve How can you possibly be in the retail computer service business without having intimate knowledge of win10? Not liking win10 is one thing. Not having the ability to work with it is quite another matter. |
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On 1/4/19 1:06 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 1/4/19 12:30 PM, T wrote: On 1/4/19 10:23 AM, wrote: I have many great 16 bit apps that I run in a virtual machine running Windows XP . Stuff created in QB45 and Visual Basic v3 . I adore virtual machines.Â* My base system is Fedora Linux and I have all kinds of VM running various version of Windows, Linux, DOS, etc..Â* May host machine backs up the virtual hard drive and I have wonderful restore capabilities.Â* If mess something up on a VM, I wipe the virtual hard drive and restore from backup. Problem solved. The easy backup / restore definitely is one of the advantages of a VM. Also, a VM could be used to get around software not running on new hardware. I really, really don't get folks that dual boot their computers. What a pain in the ass to go back and forth, not to mention a house of cards. I had a dual boot system once. It got where it wouldn't boot anything. I suspect it was a victim of corporate paranoia (some software overwriting the boot area of the disk with its "protection" (assume you're a thief) junk). About 25 years ago, I had a multiboot system that used SCSI drives. I had power switch that powered one drive on at a time. Very innovative, but ... |
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On 04/01/2019 21:29, Mike wrote:
How can you possibly be in the retail computer service business without having intimate knowledge of win10? This is silly to ask rogue traders here. Rogue trader want to make money by any means even if they don't have the "intimate knowledge" as you put it. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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"Keith Nuttle" wrote
| Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! | What's obsolete? Doesn't all software still support Win7? Of course, you can't use Metro apps, but in terms of actually using a computer, what does Win10 do that 7 doesn't? Most software still supports XP, for that matter, though that's been changing more recently. Firefox dropped XP support in June. Adobe dropped it at least a couple of years ago. And gamers, of course, won't want to use XP. But obsolete means too old to run what you need to use. XP isn't there yet for most people. Win7 could conceivably outlast Win10. (Edge is already obsolete, before it ever really got off the ground, and due to be chromed. And businesses have avoided Win10.) If you use your computer mainly to play the latest video games then Win7 might be obsolete for you. I don't know. I don't use video games. But I can't imagine what else might be a problem on Win7. Maybe you're worried about support from MS? Ironically, most versions of Win10 go out of support before Win7 extended support ends: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=1&ct=clnk And Win7 support is likely to be extended further. Since it's currently about even with Win10 in terms of usage, and since much of that usage is in business, Microsoft might have to support it longer, and/or come up with some kind of compromise that lets business bypass spyware and forced updates in Win10 more thoroughly. |
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On 1/4/2019 2:19 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote | Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! | What's obsolete? Doesn't all software still support Win7? Of course, you can't use Metro apps, but in terms of actually using a computer, what does Win10 do that 7 doesn't? Microsoft will do whatever they can to encourage you to move to win10. One subtle move is to change the software development environment in such a way that it forces vendors to maintain two separate versions of their product. That costs vendors a lot of money in development and support costs. Software will gradually move away from older operating system versions. New hardware won't have drivers for legacy hardware. It's just a matter of when. Most software still supports XP, for that matter, though that's been changing more recently. Firefox dropped XP support in June. Adobe dropped it at least a couple of years ago. And gamers, of course, won't want to use XP. But obsolete means too old to run what you need to use. XP isn't there yet for most people. Win7 could conceivably outlast Win10. (Edge is already obsolete, before it ever really got off the ground, and due to be chromed. And businesses have avoided Win10.) If you use your computer mainly to play the latest video games then Win7 might be obsolete for you. I don't know. I don't use video games. But I can't imagine what else might be a problem on Win7. Maybe you're worried about support from MS? Ironically, most versions of Win10 go out of support before Win7 extended support ends: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=1&ct=clnk And Win7 support is likely to be extended further. Since it's currently about even with Win10 in terms of usage, and since much of that usage is in business, Microsoft might have to support it longer, and/or come up with some kind of compromise that lets business bypass spyware and forced updates in Win10 more thoroughly. Forced updates that seriously interrupt work flow have been my biggest deal breaker. That seems to be manageable these days. If you have a slow or limited data connection, that's still a problem, but it's doesn't matter whether you're not updating win7 or not updating win10. The privacy ship has sailed. MS can get anything they want off any version of the OS. And so can hackers. Smart phones have numbed us to accept the open-door privacy model. You want the goodie? All you gotta do is login and give us all your secrets. The solution is simple. Imagine that billboard on the side of the freeway displayed everything you ever did. Don't do anything that you wouldn't want displayed there. And be glad that much of your internet experience is paid for by those who are collecting information. If only I could figger out how to get them to pay for the data connection they use to send me all those ads. I've either encrypted or moved all my secrets off my PC to my VIC-20 with cassette tape storage. I can also use Virtualbox to run a separate instance of a PC for sensitive stuff and remove the .vdi file offline when done. Same goes for stuff like Visual Basic 6. Runs fine in VBox win7. I've considered whole disk encryption, but am not convinced that it will help. The secrets are already encrypted and when in use, they're not secure anyway. Bottom line is, "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE...ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" I shuttered win7 on this machine today...we'll see if I have to eat my words. |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote:
On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It's not Win 8 or Win 10. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that. Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!? |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 15:30:50 -0000, wrote:
I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! You'll have to be more specific, why does it suck? It's just an improved version of 7. That's like saying you prefer the Golf Mk1 to the Mk4. |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:19:34 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Keith Nuttle" wrote | Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! What's obsolete? Doesn't all software still support Win7? Of course, you can't use Metro apps, Does anybody? I've never met a single person who uses Metro in any way shape or form, it's just some annoying screen we all turn off. but in terms of actually using a computer, what does Win10 do that 7 doesn't? Same as what 7 does that XP doesn't. Bits and pieces. Minor change and upgrades. Why don't you go back and use Windows 2? |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:38:04 -0000, Mike wrote:
On 1/4/2019 2:19 PM, Mayayana wrote: "Keith Nuttle" wrote | Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! | What's obsolete? Doesn't all software still support Win7? Of course, you can't use Metro apps, but in terms of actually using a computer, what does Win10 do that 7 doesn't? Microsoft will do whatever they can to encourage you to move to win10. One subtle move is to change the software development environment in such a way that it forces vendors to maintain two separate versions of their product. That costs vendors a lot of money in development and support costs. Software will gradually move away from older operating system versions. New hardware won't have drivers for legacy hardware. It's just a matter of when. Most software still supports XP, for that matter, though that's been changing more recently. Firefox dropped XP support in June. Adobe dropped it at least a couple of years ago. And gamers, of course, won't want to use XP. But obsolete means too old to run what you need to use. XP isn't there yet for most people. Win7 could conceivably outlast Win10. (Edge is already obsolete, before it ever really got off the ground, and due to be chromed. And businesses have avoided Win10.) If you use your computer mainly to play the latest video games then Win7 might be obsolete for you. I don't know. I don't use video games. But I can't imagine what else might be a problem on Win7. Maybe you're worried about support from MS? Ironically, most versions of Win10 go out of support before Win7 extended support ends: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=1&ct=clnk And Win7 support is likely to be extended further. Since it's currently about even with Win10 in terms of usage, and since much of that usage is in business, Microsoft might have to support it longer, and/or come up with some kind of compromise that lets business bypass spyware and forced updates in Win10 more thoroughly. Forced updates that seriously interrupt work flow have been my biggest deal breaker. That seems to be manageable these days. If you have a slow or limited data connection, that's still a problem, but it's doesn't matter whether you're not updating win7 or not updating win10. The privacy ship has sailed. MS can get anything they want off any version of the OS. And so can hackers. Smart phones have numbed us to accept the open-door privacy model. You want the goodie? All you gotta do is login and give us all your secrets. The solution is simple. Imagine that billboard on the side of the freeway displayed everything you ever did. Don't do anything that you wouldn't want displayed there. And be glad that much of your internet experience is paid for by those who are collecting information. If only I could figger out how to get them to pay for the data connection they use to send me all those ads. I've either encrypted or moved all my secrets off my PC to my VIC-20 with cassette tape storage. I can also use Virtualbox to run a separate instance of a PC for sensitive stuff and remove the .vdi file offline when done. Same goes for stuff like Visual Basic 6. Runs fine in VBox win7. I've considered whole disk encryption, but am not convinced that it will help. The secrets are already encrypted and when in use, they're not secure anyway. Bottom line is, "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE...ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" I shuttered win7 on this machine today...we'll see if I have to eat my words. It's not private companies you have to worry about spying on you, they just want to thrust adverts down your throat. What you should be worried about is the government. |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote: On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It's not Win 8 or Win 10. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that. Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!? It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10. I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser available. |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:02:34 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote: On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It's not Win 8 or Win 10. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that. Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!? It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10. I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser available. Agreed & BTW I have had no problem with W10 and I am reeely old. :-) -- Jim S |
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On 1/4/2019 7:28 PM, Jim S wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:02:34 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote: On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It's not Win 8 or Win 10. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that. Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!? It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10. I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser available. Agreed & BTW I have had no problem with W10 and I am reeely old. :-) If there is an age difference between those that like Windows 10 and those that like the old OS, It must be the younger ones who refuse to upgrade. I am 3/4 of a century old and am currently running W10 1809 on both of my computers. I started out on a Texas Instrument TI-99-4a and the Original IBM that had to 5.5 inch floppies for storage. We were impressed when IBM released the AT with it graphics -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 00:02:34 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote: On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote: I'm staying happily with 7 . I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 ! Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete! It's not Win 8 or Win 10. Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that has come and gone in the last 40 years Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that. Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!? It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10. So you get the old and the new version, so what, it doesn't change what I just said. They're both the same **** made my Microsoft. It's some legal bull**** because they weren't allowed to have edge as the default browser or something. I don't care. I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser available. They both suck. They're both full of security holes. They both stop working for no reason. |
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