CD-RW difficulties

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 00:08:35, Paul wrote:
Ant wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 19:06:03, AK wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 7:36:12 PM UTC-5, JT wrote:
AK wrote:

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 1:32:34 PM UTC-5, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 08:38:47 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

I have been burning mp3s to a CD_RW disk for use in my car.

Have had few problems playing them.

I am using Verbatim discs.

I have burned the same 28 songs to two different CDs and when I
play them in my car,

it plays the first song, goes to the 2nd and does nothing and
then skips back to the first song.

They play fine on my computer CD player?
Try copying them to CD-R.




--
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com
The problem was that I was burning them as a data project.

When I did it as an audio CD, they started playing.
Which probably means the cd-player in your car is not MP3 capable.


JT

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No, as it plays CD-RW with 165 mp3s on it.


So you have a CD-RW with 165 mp3s, and the car player plays that -
but two CD-RWs with 28 mp3s on, and it does play the first one, but
that's all. So it's clear that the car player _can_ (a) read CD-RWs
[so it's not a laser colour/power problem] (b) read and play mp3s.

Two thoughts:

1. Is the "structure" of the 28-mp3 discs different to that of the
165-mp3 one - does the 165- have them all in the root folder, say,
but the 28- have them in sub-folders (all but one track)? Some
players don't like complex structures.

1a. Or, you may have changed a mode in the player: with (just audio
CDs) in my car player (??koda Octavia), I've done something that
affects how the back button works (always goes to the beginning of
the CD now, which is irritating!), and I can't figure out how to get
it back (to either just rewind a bit, or at least just restart the
current track).

2. Have you "closed" the "data project" on the 28-? That might
affect how the car player sees them (might only see the first one if
you haven't [I'd be surprised it even sees that]).
What about file system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac..._Digital_Audio

The audio CD would likely be "Red Book" or "CDDA". I
don't think that's a file system in the conventional

I'm surprised at you Paul! He's said he's using mp3s, so it's in
practice a data CD, not CDDA. (IIRR they're mostly "Joliet" or "ISO".)

mount sense. There's got to be some reason that they
call the copying of a CD "ripping".

Yes, a (red book) audio CD is a very simple structure, having very
little in the way of directories and so on: very close to just a linear
string. (Yes I know all CDs are that, but they're more so, as it were.)
[]
"conceived as an evolution of the gramophone record, and
did not consider the audio tracks as data files to be
identified and indexed.

The audio CD format does not include the disc name or
track names, so a supplemental database is needed to
supply this information"

Though it does have a low bit rate parallel data stream, which
nevertheless had just about enough capacity for such information - but
was hardly ever used for such, or in fact for anything, with the
exception of Karaoke discs.
[]
This Hollywood title (from the delete bin), uses an overlay
of two file systems. And the read error is probably a quaint
way of preventing copying (it rips just fine).

Yes, I've got one that shot itself in the foot like that: at the time I
got it (someone bought me it; British Light Classics, I think it was),
my default way of playing an audio CD was to stick it into the PC. That
wouldn't play there, though, so I had no _option_ but to rip it, in
order to hear it at all! (On the insert, it _didn't_ have the "CD
digital audio" symbol, though I expect it _would_ have played on a
"real" CD player.)
[]
But anyway: AK has been burning mp3s to CD-RW, including over 100 in one
case, and his car player plays them - so we're not talking Red Book CDDA
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen

Someone told me the newer radios have pen drive inputs that can play songs.

Eventually I will upgrade my 11 year old radio.
:-)

Andy

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 04:31:13, AK wrote:
[]
Eventually I will upgrade my 11 year old radio.
:-)

Andy

Ooh, eiden oh: 11 is quite recent! I'll replace mine when I can't get
the valves!

[Actually, I _do_ have a valve [US: toob] wireless set or two somewhere,
though I haven't turned them on for years, possibly decades. And the
valves don't, on the whole, fail.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:31:13 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:57:02 PM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 00:08:35, Paul wrote:
Ant wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 19:06:03, AK wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 7:36:12 PM UTC-5, JT wrote:
AK wrote:

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 1:32:34 PM UTC-5, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 08:38:47 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

I have been burning mp3s to a CD_RW disk for use in my car.

Have had few problems playing them.

I am using Verbatim discs.

I have burned the same 28 songs to two different CDs and when I
play them in my car,

it plays the first song, goes to the 2nd and does nothing and
then skips back to the first song.

They play fine on my computer CD player?
Try copying them to CD-R.




--
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com
The problem was that I was burning them as a data project.

When I did it as an audio CD, they started playing.
Which probably means the cd-player in your car is not MP3 capable.


JT

--
No, as it plays CD-RW with 165 mp3s on it.


So you have a CD-RW with 165 mp3s, and the car player plays that -
but two CD-RWs with 28 mp3s on, and it does play the first one, but
that's all. So it's clear that the car player _can_ (a) read CD-RWs
[so it's not a laser colour/power problem] (b) read and play mp3s.

Two thoughts:

1. Is the "structure" of the 28-mp3 discs different to that of the
165-mp3 one - does the 165- have them all in the root folder, say,
but the 28- have them in sub-folders (all but one track)? Some
players don't like complex structures.

1a. Or, you may have changed a mode in the player: with (just audio
CDs) in my car player (??koda Octavia), I've done something that
affects how the back button works (always goes to the beginning of
the CD now, which is irritating!), and I can't figure out how to get
it back (to either just rewind a bit, or at least just restart the
current track).

2. Have you "closed" the "data project" on the 28-? That might
affect how the car player sees them (might only see the first one if
you haven't [I'd be surprised it even sees that]).
What about file system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac..._Digital_Audio

The audio CD would likely be "Red Book" or "CDDA". I
don't think that's a file system in the conventional

I'm surprised at you Paul! He's said he's using mp3s, so it's in
practice a data CD, not CDDA. (IIRR they're mostly "Joliet" or "ISO".)

mount sense. There's got to be some reason that they
call the copying of a CD "ripping".

Yes, a (red book) audio CD is a very simple structure, having very
little in the way of directories and so on: very close to just a linear
string. (Yes I know all CDs are that, but they're more so, as it were.)
[]
"conceived as an evolution of the gramophone record, and
did not consider the audio tracks as data files to be
identified and indexed.

The audio CD format does not include the disc name or
track names, so a supplemental database is needed to
supply this information"

Though it does have a low bit rate parallel data stream, which
nevertheless had just about enough capacity for such information - but
was hardly ever used for such, or in fact for anything, with the
exception of Karaoke discs.
[]
This Hollywood title (from the delete bin), uses an overlay
of two file systems. And the read error is probably a quaint
way of preventing copying (it rips just fine).

Yes, I've got one that shot itself in the foot like that: at the time I
got it (someone bought me it; British Light Classics, I think it was),
my default way of playing an audio CD was to stick it into the PC. That
wouldn't play there, though, so I had no _option_ but to rip it, in
order to hear it at all! (On the insert, it _didn't_ have the "CD
digital audio" symbol, though I expect it _would_ have played on a
"real" CD player.)
[]
But anyway: AK has been burning mp3s to CD-RW, including over 100 in one
case, and his car player plays them - so we're not talking Red Book CDDA
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen

Someone told me the newer radios have pen drive inputs that can play songs.

Eventually I will upgrade my 11 year old radio.
:-)

Andy

It must have been new old stock 11 years ago.
USB ports on radios have been standard a long time. My wife's 2008
Lincoln has a USB port that will take a 16g drive I think. I know it
has an 8g in it that isn't full. (thousands of songs).
20 years ago I was running a small desk top PC in my car for MP3s.
(Socket 7 machines running DOS are perfect).