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On 16/06/2019 16:31, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:49:21 +0100, "David B." wrote: So what software should you be updating? Security software. Whether you use antivirus or firewall programs that were pre-installed on your device or that you bought on your own, make sure they’re up to date. Operating system software. Your operating system could be Windows, Apple OS, etc. If you’re not sure how to update your operating system, go to the website of your device manufacturer for help. So why are you posting this here? It's important information propagated by the US government. Many folk just don't understand how sophisticated the 'bad guys' have become - they can run rings around the average computer user. An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! Internet browsers and apps. Both are access points for criminals to enter your devices, so it’s important to keep them secure. I downdated my browser when it got too bloated to run on my OS. The newest version tells me it won't run at all, get a new computer. Whuich means getyting a new2 OS, and finding that hal my software won't run on it. Then it's probably time to change your software too, Steve! ;-) As a Christian you will be well aware that the Devil is ever present. Here in these Usenet groups he goes by the name of 'Shadow' - I suggest you don't pay heed to anything he posts or claims. May God Bless You, Steve. :-) -- David B. Devon, UK |
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On 16/06/2019 17:55, Fake Bill Gates wrote:
On 16/06/2019 17:30, Shadow wrote: And admitted he was just phishing for suckers. He has absolutely no interest in updating software. Killfile him and spare the rest of us your replication of his nonsense. Why are YOU responding to a *LIAR* and a Troll? Shadow is the Devil incarnate! -- David B. Devon, UK |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:55:00 -0400, Fake Bill Gates
wrote: On 16/06/2019 17:30, Shadow wrote: And admitted he was just phishing for suckers. He has absolutely no interest in updating software. Killfile him and spare the rest of us your replication of his nonsense. 3 people fell for his phishing this week. If I killfile him he'll just carry on abusing their trust. He's gloating in another group ATM about a suicide he induced. He's a totally deranged individual. Note I edit out any innocent third parties when I reply (one of which has me in his filters - the irony!!!). Sorry mate - no can do - not unless someone else carries on where I left off. Want to volunteer ? []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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David B. wrote:
Excluding whatever dear '...winston' has to say about matters, which other individuals have a 'problem' with me? I've never tried to cause anyone any harm. "Off topic cowboy" ? You seldom use a forum for its intended purpose. Now, how could that possibly upset people who have never met you before, and don't know your history ? And when your offtopic post is about "war with Moderators", what's a new Moderator to think when posts like that are brought to their attention ? They automatically feel "included by induction". That they're the next target. Which is quite likely to be the case, after you've been banned yet again. Do you see a feedback loop forming there ? You should. How you break a feedback loop, is left as an exercise for the reader... In a few forums, it's a thing for "teenagers" to go to site "X", and immediately do something and get banned. So they can go to some other forum and "brag about being banned at site X". And the rest of the teenagers snicker about this "feat" of theirs. Are you one of those teenagers ? Well, not quite. Think back to what it was like *before* you got trapped in this feedback loop of yours. Do you remember what that was like ? Paul |
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Mike Easter wrote:
x-posts deleted; XPgen only Steve Hayes wrote: An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. I downdated my browser when it got too bloated to run on my OS. The newest version tells me it won't run at all, get a new computer. Whuich means getyting a new2 OS, and finding that hal my software won't run on it. I also have a couple of XP-era machines with fairly low resources, One of them is a Dell laptop I inherited from a friend when he got a newer laptop. It has a 2006 BIOS, a 600 MHz 32bit Pentium M cpu, 1 G ram, ancient IBM graphics. I don't use its XP installation to go online, but I still use XP for 'stuff'. Its previous 'operational' OS was a linux Mint 17.3 XFCE for online activity. When that support ran out, I moved on to MX linux, now at 18.3 which is also XFCE DE. It also runs fine and securely. The other one is a Compaq desktop also 2006 BIOS which is stronger, w/ 2G ram, 64bit AMD at 1000 MHz, NVidia gfx. Its browser is an 'expired' Chrome 49.0; but I don't use that to 'surf' but only to access a specific site. I guess my point in an XP group, not a linux one, is that we should use our old hardware 'very carefully' and linux is a useful solution, but old Win OSes have a place. I also have a Vista-era laptop w/ 2008 bios, 2G w/ 64bit 800 MHz AMD cpu. It can run lean v of Win7 and of course various linux. But the Linux ecosystem, has not put a priority on saving old equipment. The reliance on the video card shaders for slick graphics, means that the mainstream distros are no good on old hardware. Yes, you can find Lubuntu or Xubuntu or other lightweight ones, but the erosion with time tells you what will eventually happen to those. It's a slippery slope, where before you know it, all that's left is Puppy or FatDog. ******* You know, I was watching a Command Prompt window in Windows 10 running, and I had used " | tee output.txt " so I could watch the progress of a bash shell I was running. And I glanced over at the Task Manager and it said of my high-end graphics card, that right at that moment, I was using "14% of 3D capacity". The text scrolling on the screen, was using shaders! Now, how sick is *that* ? I call this "SmartPhone disease", because smartphones are a "leader" on how to waste resources. When this trend hits your legacy equipment, well basically there are no functional shaders, and everything has to be "emulated" on the "gutless" processor. What's not to like ? This is the main reason we can't have nice things. And when you use 14% of my video card, it means you're also using 14% of 180W or 25W of electricity, just to watch text scroll. There was a time, when a VIA chip could have a 2W GPU in the Northbridge, and the text would scroll just as fast... This is progress ??? If we moev forward 50 years, I would guess that scrolling text would draw a solid kilowatt. By extrapolation. Maybe we could use real time ray tracing or something. Paul |
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On 16/06/2019 22:14, Paul wrote:
Think back to what it was like *before* you got trapped in this feedback loop of yours. Do you remember what that was like ? I do. :-( Please, take a moment to read the comments beneath the video. *Postcards From Heaven* ...........The Lighthouse Family https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzeExJEnDwU How many times in your life have you ever had the feeling That the way you live is crazy and there must be something else When you look at the sky does it ever cross your mind There could be something you've forgotten that won't ever go away Like the sun in the night Like the sun in the night You'll always be with me baby be in my soul You'll always be with me, wherever I go Gets too much after a while trying to always hide your feelings When the world is going crazy and you keep it to yourself How much it hurts, though you try, try to get on with your life And tell yourself that worse things happen and just hope it goes away Like the sun in the night Like the sun in the night You'll always be with me baby be in my soul You'll always be with me, wherever I go Like the sun in the night Like the sun in the night You'll always be with me baby be in my soul You'll always be with me, wherever I go -- David B. |
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Paul wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: I guess my point in an XP group, not a linux one, is that we should use our old hardware 'very carefully' and linux is a useful solution, but old Win OSes have a place. I also have a Vista-era laptop w/ 2008 bios, 2G w/ 64bit 800 MHz AMD cpu.Â* It can run lean v of Win7 and of course various linux. But the Linux ecosystem, has not put a priority on saving old equipment. Well... the linux ecosystem is made up of developers a few fairly large and a lot definitely very small/limited who go off in numerous directions to scratch their own itch, usually as opposed to having any 'priority'. But, there are 'enough' developers who are focusing on 'light enough' OSes for light (but adequate) hardware. Raspbian and others for RPi/s come to mind. There are still a few 32bit distros available, but waning. The reliance on the video card shaders for slick graphics, means that the mainstream distros are no good on old hardware. Yeah; I would say you are correct there. However, your 'mainstream' term may be hard to define, as 'non-mainstream' distros such as MX Linux have a significant page hit popularity at DistroWatch. Yes, you can find Lubuntu or Xubuntu or other lightweight ones, but the erosion with time tells you what will eventually happen to those. Well, the 'buntu business isn't exactly 'light', so you need to get 'down' to Debian or Arch or other base and use a very light DE or mix some light DE parts w/ a DE-like Window Manager. It's a slippery slope, where before you know it, all that's left is Puppy or FatDog. And even the 'main' thrust of some puppy developers is in the 'buntu (or slackware) base direction. Barry himself is doing some other things now w/ his Easy OS and his idea of 'containers'. You know, I was watching a Command Prompt window in Windows 10 running, and I had used " | tee output.txt " so I could watch the progress of a bash shell I was running. And I glanced over at the Task Manager and it said of my high-end graphics card, that right at that moment, I was using "14% of 3D capacity". The text scrolling on the screen, was using shaders! Now, how sick is *that* ? I don't know how to comment on that, except to 'deviate' from the thrust of your tale to say that I think MS is doing a smart thing by giving its developers access to a real command terminal functionality. I call this "SmartPhone disease", because smartphones are a "leader" on how to waste resources. When this trend hits your legacy equipment, well basically there are no functional shaders, and everything has to be "emulated" on the "gutless" processor. What's not to like ? Back to my position that we have to use our legacy hardware 'wisely' which includes not trying to use the wrong kind of software on it. This is the main reason we can't have nice things. And when you use 14% of my video card, it means you're also using 14% of 180W or 25W of electricity, just to watch text scroll. There was a time, when a VIA chip could have a 2W GPU in the Northbridge, and the text would scroll just as fast... This is progress ??? The little RPi is so 'economical' in juice consumption that it doesn't even come w/ a power switch. Since I wanted one, I had to get a little 'plug switch' for the connection to the main. If we moev forward 50 years, I would guess that scrolling text would draw a solid kilowatt. By extrapolation. Maybe we could use real time ray tracing or something. Heh. I think I'll tell another weak hardware tale (and mention XP). I guess my oldest 2006 1G ram XP machine isn't actually the weakest device I use to connect, in term of ram. I have a clamshell/fliptop ZTE phone whose OS is allegedly 'some kind of linux' as opposed to android in an older so-called 'feature' device which has .5G ram w/ 1.1 GHz Qualcomm (Snapdragon 210 MSM8909 - quadcore arms) cpu; but/while my no-plan BLU phone has 1G ram w/ cpu 1.3 GHz MediaTek 6580 (also quadcore arm) w/ Android 6.0 OS; and my RPi is 1G ram and .6 GHz ARM on Raspbian 9. About that connectivity... The zte has a tracfone basic plan which is used rarely; the blu just connects by wifi as does the RPi. I have other 'cell phone' type connectivity via googlevoice over various newer (not as old) and the old computers cable connected. Most of my phone comm is via old home landline cordless phones over VoIP, not cell towers. -- Mike Easter |
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"David B." on Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:58:15
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! What is in a Operating System comparable to the mechanical items in an automobile, which can wear out? -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:58:15 +0100, "David B."
wrote: On 16/06/2019 16:31, Steve Hayes wrote: So why are you posting this here? It's important information propagated by the US government. Many folk just don't understand how sophisticated the 'bad guys' have become - they can run rings around the average computer user. I'm sure they can, but most of them don't waste their time on the diminishing number of people using older computers, who've usual;ly been around long enough to know that you shouldn't open unsolicited e-mail attachments and things like that. An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! Perhaps. I drive a 2001 Subaru Legacy, for the same reason. It hasn't broken down yet. Internet browsers and apps. Both are access points for criminals to enter your devices, so it’s important to keep them secure. I downdated my browser when it got too bloated to run on my OS. The newest version tells me it won't run at all, get a new computer. Whuich means getyting a new2 OS, and finding that hal my software won't run on it. Then it's probably time to change your software too, Steve! ;-) Send me US$ 10000 and I'll do it. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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On 17/06/2019 02:35, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"David B." on Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:58:15 +0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! What is in a Operating System comparable to the mechanical items in an automobile, which can wear out? Will 'vulnerabilities' suffice? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computing) HTH |
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On 16/06/2019 18:26, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:55:00 -0400, Fake Bill Gates wrote: On 16/06/2019 17:30, Shadow wrote: And admitted he was just phishing for suckers. He has absolutely no interest in updating software. Killfile him and spare the rest of us your replication of his nonsense. 3 people fell for his phishing this week. If I killfile him he'll just carry on abusing their trust. I've never abused anyone's trust. *EVER*! He's gloating in another group ATM about a suicide he induced. He's a totally deranged individual. Sadly, YOU are the deranged individual if you believe that to be the case. Note I edit out any innocent third parties when I reply (one of which has me in his filters - the irony!!!). *YOU are the BAD GUY*, Shadow! Everyone *KNOWS* you are a *LIAR*! Sorry mate - no can do - not unless someone else carries on where I left off. Want to volunteer ? []'s Fill out this form and we'll take it from hereon-in:- https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...l30JQ/viewform Don't be shy! HTH HAND |
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"David B." wrote:
On 17/06/2019 02:35, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David B." on Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:58:15 wrote: Steve Hayes wrote: An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. People are also using XP because they don't need or don't like later Microsoft OSes. IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! Try Windows 2000 for old hat. It's a hat that fits, better than XP in some respects and I'm still using it. If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! What is in a Operating System comparable to the mechanical items in an automobile, which can wear out? Will 'vulnerabilities' suffice? Old cars don't have vulnerabilities. Any design faults they may have will be well-known and will have fixes or work-arounds. Many people run very old veteran and vintage cars. |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
| Yes, but sounds at best "salesman", and at most insulting (to those he | interacts with, not to him) "teacher of idiots", i. e. someone whose job | is to tell stupid people what to do. I don't think it's any of those things. It's just reason having gone through the filter of bureaucracy. The FTC has the job of regulating business to prevent exploitation of "consumers". But government in the US is largely owned by business. If the FTC is too helpful then lobbyists will go to Congress and complain. Then Congress will threaten to cut FTC funding. Our national anti-hero, Mitch McConnell, might even threaten to defund the FTC altogether and arrest the staff for crimes against the rich. So the FTC needs to do their job by not letting companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft or Apple become monopolies (woops), but they can't afford to do it too well. So how do they look useful? They offer consumer advice. How do they do that without warning consumers against businesses that are trying to cheat them? Well, they could issue bulletins about Microsoft forcing spyware services on people who buy their OS. Or they could warn consumers that they're paying Apple 2-3 times what their product is worth while Apple evades taxes, uses slave labor in Asia, and actively fights against their right to repair the device they overpaid for. But that would be helping consumers at the expense of business. So instead they issue trivial officialese about the importance of keeping software up-to-date. Almost everyone, including many tech people, agree with that. And it supports the idea of buying more product from unregulated monopolies. So everyone's happy. Last week I was in Microcenter buying a monitor. The clerk mentioned that a 4K monitor might be what I want for graphics. I said no, that I only need good color display with IPS, and anyway, I'm on XP. He told me I should update but that I'd be OK as long as I didn't connect to the Internet. I smiled. He looked taken aback. I didn't say anymore. Where would I start to explain that he was parroting nonsense and had no understanding of online security?.. And that even now his computerized doorbell and phone were probably being hacked because he thought he was protected by his dutiful updating? There was a grain of truth in what he said. And it's good for selling computers. And it won't get him into trouble. So what else is he to say? He can't very well start explaining javascript, HOSTS files, and so on. Which he probably doesn't understand, anyway. And if he did try to explain to people, sooner or later someone would complain to his supervisor that one of the clerks is acting odd. Maybe the correlate in Britain would be if the ambulance drivers union got the government to stop safety warnings in mass transit and instead install lighted signs underneath the station landings that can only be seen by someone laying on the rail tracks, saying, "Mind the gap". This kind of thing is why we used to have Monty Python. |
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On 17/06/2019 12:30, Apd wrote:
"David B." wrote: On 17/06/2019 02:35, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David B." on Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:58:15 wrote: Steve Hayes wrote: An updated O/s probably wouldn't run on my computer -- not enough resources. People are using Windows XP because they aren't rich enough to buy a new computer every few months. People are also using XP because they don't need or don't like later Microsoft OSes. I don't think that's true. Even I use XP sometimes - because I can, but I much prefer to use my pristine Apple iMac! ;-) I have used most Microsoft Windows software since Windows 3.1 IIRC, I started using Windows XP when it was first introduced in 2002 - it really is 'old hat' now! Try Windows 2000 for old hat. It's a hat that fits, better than XP in some respects and I'm still using it. I still have my original Dell Dimension XPS D233 which came loaded with Windows 95. I did upgrade it but last time I used it I put on a pristine copy of Windows 98. If you drove a motor vehicle of that age you might well expect it to suffer more breakdowns than a new or nearly new car! What is in a Operating System comparable to the mechanical items in an automobile, which can wear out? Will 'vulnerabilities' suffice? Old cars don't have vulnerabilities. Any design faults they may have will be well-known and will have fixes or work-arounds. Not so much nowadays, but the major killer of cars during my lifetime has been *rust*! Think Vauxhall Victor, Lancia Fulvia or any Subaru Many people run very old veteran and vintage cars. They do! Here's an image of a great example: https://i.imgur.com/geqkifi.jpg -- David B. Devon, UK |
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On 17/06/2019 13:41, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | Yes, but sounds at best "salesman", and at most insulting (to those he | interacts with, not to him) "teacher of idiots", i. e. someone whose job | is to tell stupid people what to do. I don't think it's any of those things. It's just reason having gone through the filter of bureaucracy. The FTC has the job of regulating business to prevent exploitation of "consumers". But government in the US is largely owned by business. If the FTC is too helpful then lobbyists will go to Congress and complain. Then Congress will threaten to cut FTC funding. Our national anti-hero, Mitch McConnell, might even threaten to defund the FTC altogether and arrest the staff for crimes against the rich. So the FTC needs to do their job by not letting companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft or Apple become monopolies (woops), but they can't afford to do it too well. So how do they look useful? They offer consumer advice. How do they do that without warning consumers against businesses that are trying to cheat them? Well, they could issue bulletins about Microsoft forcing spyware services on people who buy their OS. Or they could warn consumers that they're paying Apple 2-3 times what their product is worth while Apple evades taxes, uses slave labor in Asia, and actively fights against their right to repair the device they overpaid for. But that would be helping consumers at the expense of business. So instead they issue trivial officialese about the importance of keeping software up-to-date. Almost everyone, including many tech people, agree with that. And it supports the idea of buying more product from unregulated monopolies. So everyone's happy. Last week I was in Microcenter buying a monitor. The clerk mentioned that a 4K monitor might be what I want for graphics. I said no, that I only need good color display with IPS, and anyway, I'm on XP. He told me I should update but that I'd be OK as long as I didn't connect to the Internet. I smiled. He looked taken aback. I didn't say anymore. Where would I start to explain that he was parroting nonsense and had no understanding of online security?.. And that even now his computerized doorbell and phone were probably being hacked because he thought he was protected by his dutiful updating? There was a grain of truth in what he said. And it's good for selling computers. And it won't get him into trouble. So what else is he to say? He can't very well start explaining javascript, HOSTS files, and so on. Which he probably doesn't understand, anyway. And if he did try to explain to people, sooner or later someone would complain to his supervisor that one of the clerks is acting odd. Maybe the correlate in Britain would be if the ambulance drivers union got the government to stop safety warnings in mass transit and instead install lighted signs underneath the station landings that can only be seen by someone laying on the rail tracks, saying, "Mind the gap". This kind of thing is why we used to have Monty Python. I expect you know all about THIS already ..... https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/AA19-168A -- David B. Devon, UK |
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