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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 2020-08-23, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit wrote: I suspect that you won1t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is to have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor, it was possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that1s ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make changes to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add command-key combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus, and generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a copy. Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the Finder1s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be a Very Bad Idea. actually, it was widely done without any adverse effect, unless the app was poorly written and made assumptions it should not have made. In which case it had bad effects. rearranging dialogue layouts or changing menu colours had no effect whatsoever, other than aesthetics. the app had no clue it even happened. i only mentioned the possibility because nothing is 100% perfect. theoretically, an app could do something very stupid, however, it's not anything anyone should worry about. in the unlikely event something does go wrong, take it as a hint to stop using the app because there are probably a lot of other problems with the app. stop talking about things you know nothing about. Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty much universally. 'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words. at least you're attempting to backpedal your bogus claim rather than trying to insist it's correct. maybe one day you'll actually admit it's wrong. as you've been repeatedly told, what you describe was a function of the app, not the os, something which relatively few apps bothered to do. And the snit circus is off to another engagement. Ever notice that every thread snit gets involved in, which IS every thread, turns into another snit circus? I sense a pattern here. -- Liam Shell |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
nospam wrote in
: In article , Snit wrote: That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. anyone confused when backing up should not be driving. Someone with snit's horrible driving record shouldn't be teaching a anyone to drive a car. Snit keeps getting pulled over by the po po and ends up attending traffic school. Right snit? eyeroll |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:34:43 +0000 (UTC), Jonas
wrote: nospam wrote in : In article , Snit wrote: That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. anyone confused when backing up should not be driving. Someone with snit's horrible driving record shouldn't be teaching a anyone to drive a car. Snit keeps getting pulled over by the po po and ends up attending traffic school. Right snit? eyeroll Do you have a cite for this? -- Ron Gilmore All about snit read below: https://web.archive.org/web/20181028....com/snit.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190529.../snitlist.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190529...ieMethods.html |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/23/2020 1:00 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes.* Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc).* Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left.* Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?"* "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. It's not always true, but in most cases, OK is already selected, and simply pressing the enter key is like clicking OK. -- Ken |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/23/2020 2:35 PM, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:08:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:51:05 +0100, Snit wrote: On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:47:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:42:48 +0100, Snit wrote: On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise will lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the car. That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. Going in reverse is THE SAME. The wheel goes the same way to make the car go to the right in either direction. How can anyone possibly get that wrong? Work with people just learning. You will see. The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as you're steering the car not the trailer. I should include that in my lessons. I've only driven with a trailer once in my life. Despite what I knew, backing up was very hard. -- Ken |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
Snit brought next idea :
Big Al wrote: On 8/23/20 12:31 PM, this is what Snit wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? Don’t have an answer — but used to be on Linux there were dialogs almost the exact same but with the buttons reversed. It was insane. I'm there now. +1 Also the save or ok buttons are not always on the same side. It is truly insane. It is arguably safer. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 23, 2020 at 4:10:13 PM MST, "FromTheRafters"
wrote: Snit brought next idea : Big Al wrote: On 8/23/20 12:31 PM, this is what Snit wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? Don’t have an answer — but used to be on Linux there were dialogs almost the exact same but with the buttons reversed. It was insane. I'm there now. +1 Also the save or ok buttons are not always on the same side. It is truly insane. It is arguably safer. Maybe with a really, really weak argument. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 23, 2020 at 4:06:20 PM MST, "Ken Blake" wrote:
On 8/23/2020 2:35 PM, Snit wrote: On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:08:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:51:05 +0100, Snit wrote: On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:47:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:42:48 +0100, Snit wrote: On Aug 23, 2020 at 1:38:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine. Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right. "Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!" There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? Hard to do when still checking that turning the steering wheel clockwise will lead to me turning right... it is randomly decided each time I start the car. That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. Going in reverse is THE SAME. The wheel goes the same way to make the car go to the right in either direction. How can anyone possibly get that wrong? Work with people just learning. You will see. The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as you're steering the car not the trailer. I should include that in my lessons. I've only driven with a trailer once in my life. Despite what I knew, backing up was very hard. I have done it a couple times.. 15 passenger vans with trailers. I backed up some, but not much, and did reasonably well. First time driving one was in Zion on curvy roads where they driver had a medical emergency... and the van was filled with teens. It was... interesting. Everything turned out OK (and, if course, I did not drive backward on those roads!) -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 2020-08-23, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit wrote: Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"? Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4, Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS. nobody called it 'software system'. it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names. And somewhere in there the older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one. nope. that's not why, nor is that even correct. classic is the environment in which classic mac os (specifically 9.x) could run. classic mac os is pre-mac os x. Ah, the good ol' days I remember using this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_Catcher |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 2020-08-23, Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:20:27 PM MST, "nospam" wrote: In article , Snit wrote: That reminds me of when I was reversing my car out of a very tight spot in a small local garage. Other people had placed their cars in the way of the exit. A mechanic said one of those things that gets on my nerves: "left hand down". WTF does that mean? Especially when I'm looking over my shoulder with only my right hand on the wheel! Just say "left" or "right". The car will go the same way no matter which way it's facing! A clockwise turn on the wheel makes it go right, in either gear!! Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. anyone confused when backing up should not be driving. It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to use them. LOL! You're actually equating driving with using a computer?! LOL! My child is *LEARNNG* to drive. I hope to God you're nowhere near there |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article , Snit
wrote: Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"? Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4, Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS. nobody called it 'software system'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6 ----- System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ... ----- yep, which proves your original claim to be false. the official name was 'macintosh system software' but everyone called it system 6 or whatever number it was, even after it was renamed to macos. it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names. And somewhere in there the older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one. nope. Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X. no they didn't. 'classic' is the environment in which classic mac os, specifically, mac os 9, could run under mac os x, which is what i said and which you snipped and will no doubt snip again because it proves you wrong. https://developer.apple.com/library/.../Darwin/Concep tual/KernelProgramming/art/osxlayers.gif |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article , Snit
wrote: Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty much universally. 'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words. I already showed it worked with MS Word: that's only *one* app Yes, MS Word is only one app. I am glad you understand this. once again you resort to your usual games after being cornered. and not in any way representative of all mac apps. What you snipped: what *you* snipped and keep snipping because you don't understand it and it shows you to be wrong is that an app has to special case prefs files to do what you claim. you found *one* app that did that and incorrectly assumed all apps do that, which is false. it is *not* an os level function and does not happen if the app doesn't do anything special. windows apps could even implement the same functionality, although there's no reason why any app on any platform should bother. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article op.0ptn2yvowdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote: Yeah but Firefox is on about 70. Seems their programmers don't know what a decimal point is. yes they do. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/ nearly all have sub-versions, some have quite a few. version 68 had seventeen sub-versions, topping out at 68.11.0. version 60 had twenty-one sub-versions, topping out at 60.9.0. version 52 had twenty-three sub-versions, topping out at 52.9.0. version 3.6 had the most at twenty-seven, topping out at 3.6.28. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article , Snit
wrote: Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. anyone confused when backing up should not be driving. It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to use them. LOL! My child is *LEARNNG* to drive. Seriously, how can you miss such simple concepts? I will admit, though, you do have a gift! there's nothing to miss nor is there anything to teach. even a toddler on a tricycle knows how to back up. anyone who is confused when backing up or has any trouble at all with it should not be driving. very simple. |
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On Aug 23, 2020 at 7:14:56 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:
In article , Snit wrote: Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people. anyone confused when backing up should not be driving. It is like the ol' people should not use computers until they know how to use them. LOL! My child is *LEARNNG* to drive. Seriously, how can you miss such simple concepts? I will admit, though, you do have a gift! there's nothing to miss nor is there anything to teach. OK, teaching driving is something else you are ignorant about. Fair enough. even a toddler on a tricycle knows how to back up. anyone who is confused when backing up or has any trouble at all with it should not be driving. very simple. I do not deny you are that ignorant. Sure. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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